McGinn QBs

[hmhertz]

40 minutes ago, Bungaman said:

Great. Now I don't like any of them.

Lawrence is overrated accuracy, performance when facing Fields

two years in a row and competing  against him Elite QB competition.

I do like Fields accuracy and speed a foot, although Lance is a better

runner and may even have a stronger arm. Wilson shows quickness

and moxie in everything he does

[Warfish]

16 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Agree .. ceiling is higher than Lawrence.

Highest ceiling since Luck, or highest since Manning, do you think?

[Warfish]

Double Post.

[Dunnie]

Highest ceiling since Luck, or highest since Manning, do you think?

Maybe luck.

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[MichaelScott]

11 hours ago, redlichtie said:

“There isn’t one scout in America that had Mac Jones and Zach Wilson in the top 5 back in the fall,” said one scout. “If they say that, they’re lying. A year ago, nobody knew his name … is he a pure passer? Yes. Is he a good enough athlete? Probably. Is he super explosive as an athlete? No. He is a pure passer more than anything else. He’s got a little Aaron Rodgers in him

Really baffled as to why the bolded is at all relevant for a QB, or what it even means in terms of his ability? How exactly do you define ‘athleticism’ ? If anything Wilson is one of the more athletic QB prospects out there, certainly way more so than Mac Jones or Trask and at least the equal of Sam

What are we actually evaluating here? We want a guy who can drop back and get the ball to a super explosive athlete! ...if this scout was assessing Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees or even Mahomes would he be marking them down as ‘not an explosive enough athlete’ ?

You have to wonder sometimes what these pro-scouts are really looking for, the nit-picking is probably why they get it so wrong so often, and this particular scout seems to use a perceived lack of athleticism as the sole argument to steer clear when everything else indicates Wilson has most, if not all, of what is takes to be a successful QB in the NFL...or at the very least a legit prospect worthy of a very high pick...he’s ‘a pure passer’ surely that’s a good thing?...surely that’s what you want more than a ‘super-explosive athlete’,

We are not drafting a Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson where we are looking to taylor a specific offense around him. An offense that is predicated on a explosive ability to run as much as pass. We want a traditional passing QB with the added bonus of being a threat to take off and run. Wilson appears to be everything Darnold was in terms of ‘athleticism’ with the added bonus that his mechanics and technique are not a diabolical mess that will need completely over-hauling to be NFL ready. 

The concern with Wilson is that he’s had an injury history and that he’s not got the prototypical bulk of an old school passer like Big Ben or Allen but 6-2 215 is plenty big enough and once in an NFL program he should be able to physically bulk up even more if necessary, and as for the injury history, not one red flag appears to have been raised in the medical checks thus far.....meanwhile Lawrence is lighter and 4 inches taller yet if anything his physique is considered more of a positive than a negative and he’s just had labrum surgery weeks ago, not several years back when he was basically still a kid.

The argument about level of competition he faced is a legit enough reason to take a closer look but once you do that and realise he dominated when he was supposed to you can make the leap of faith that suggests he can raise his level when he plays on Sundays.

The big caveat with all of this remains the same. if we don’t surround whoever our QB is with talent. If we don’t protect him a dominant OL, if we don’t ease the pressure on the passing game with a highly effective rushing attack, if he doesn’t have an elite group of receivers getting open quickly downfield, and if our play-calling confuses and constrains....then whoever we draft will be doomed to struggle and eventually fail.
 

Tbh I think the couple sentences prior to the bolded is what we should be worried about.

[MichaelScott]

9 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

I agree with the article...

 

I keep saying it over and over again....

Whomever we draft should SIT FOR A YEAR AT LEAST!!!

QB's must be developed..........and the idea that they are either boom or bust are overstated when you don't put it in the proper context.

Nice gif??

[bitonti]

On 4/25/2021 at 7:10 PM, hmhertz said:

 

“This system — I can’t even describe how broken it is,” a longtime executive in personnel said. “Every quarterback has a handler or coach from the time they’re in the seventh or eighth grade. Then they play a season, maybe two, in college and everybody says, ‘Well, you’re going to be a top-10 pick, so you’ve got to come out.’ Now they come out with a wafer-thin résumé.

“The phrase is, ‘You can’t win in the NFL without a quarterback.’ Then all these teams that are at the top fall all over themselves to say, ‘We’re going to improve and get better. We’re never going to be up here again. We better take one.’

“It is a vicious cycle, and I don’t know how it ever resolves itself.”

 

2. Zach Wilson, Brigham Young (6-foot-2, 214, no 40 time, Round 1):

Some scouts have reservations about his ability to lead and blend in a locker room.