The Jets will have 30 + Free Agents next off-season? Seems like a pretty high number if it's accurate.

[Jetsfan80]

On 6/19/2024 at 12:51 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

Would anyone even notice if 22 of those 34 disappeared today?

CB Isaiah Oliver
DL Leki Fotu
OL Wes Schweitzer
TE Kenny Yeboah
LB Sam Eguavoen
K Austin Seibert
DL Tanzel Smart
RB Tarik Cohen
DL Jalyn Holmes
OL Jake Hanson
WR Malik Taylor
CB Tae Hayes
FB Nick Bawden
DL Bruce Hector
OT Austin Deculus
LB Jamien Sherwood
OG Xavier Newman-Johnson
LB Chazz Surratt
CB Brandin Echols
WR Irvin Charles
TE Zack Kuntz
DL Takk McKinley

 

Disappeared like....Thanos style?  That's dark, dude.

 

[C Mart]

Via Athletic Ex-GM Randy Mueller

“There have also been changes within the building that have raised questions, with two high-ranking personnel staffers leaving earlier this year. Assistant GM Rex Hogan left the team after five years working with Douglas. Director of player personnel Chad Alexander departed to join the Chargers in February. Neither has been replaced. It would be very odd for a team to leave such roles unfilled entering a season.

Is ownership saving money? Beyond those unfilled roles, the Jets’ cash spending is down considerably in 2024, ranking 21st at $261.4 million after ranking fifth at $280.8 million in 2023. Are these things coincidental or part of a vision to protect against possible changes in the future? Perhaps Woody Johnson, with his GM and coach on thin ice, doesn’t want them making financial decisions that could instead be made by the next regime.”

[JohnnyLV]

On 6/19/2024 at 5:20 PM, C Mart said:

Have the Jets D and STs not been playoff worthy the past couple of seasons?  

The failure has been the QB position. We know why last seasons.  Four plays

Frankly I think the blame Zach for everything argument is a complete crock of puss filled crap.

[bicketybam]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

Frankly I think the blame Zach for everything argument is a complete crock of puss filled crap.

 

[C Mart]

3 hours ago, JohnnyLV said:

Frankly I think the blame Zach for everything argument is a complete crock of puss filled crap.

Have the Jets D and STs not been playoff worthy the past couple of seasons?  

[Rich Thornburgh]

10 hours ago, C Mart said:

Via Athletic Ex-GM Randy Mueller

“There have also been changes within the building that have raised questions, with two high-ranking personnel staffers leaving earlier this year. Assistant GM Rex Hogan left the team after five years working with Douglas. Director of player personnel Chad Alexander departed to join the Chargers in February. Neither has been replaced. It would be very odd for a team to leave such roles unfilled entering a season.

Is ownership saving money? Beyond those unfilled roles, the Jets’ cash spending is down considerably in 2024, ranking 21st at $261.4 million after ranking fifth at $280.8 million in 2023. Are these things coincidental or part of a vision to protect against possible changes in the future? Perhaps Woody Johnson, with his GM and coach on thin ice, doesn’t want them making financial decisions that could instead be made by the next regime.”

Sounds like the FO and Owner know Aaron is contemplating something 

[Rich Thornburgh]

9 hours ago, JohnnyLV said:

Frankly I think the blame Zach for everything argument is a complete crock of puss filled crap.

When the broncos cut him will you be blaming Sean Payton’s playcalling?

[JohnnyLV]

10 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

When the broncos cut him will you be blaming Sean Payton’s playcalling?

Zach is not part of our equation any more. I don't care. That said, I have this news feed on my phone that shows me articles, and today in consecutive articles the topic was Zach. One beat reporter said he looks list and cannot imagine him making the team, the other beat writer (watching I assume the same practices) said Nix is falling far behind Zach who seems like he is leading the QB competition.

[slats]

15 hours ago, C Mart said:

Via Athletic Ex-GM Randy Mueller

“There have also been changes within the building that have raised questions, with two high-ranking personnel staffers leaving earlier this year. Assistant GM Rex Hogan left the team after five years working with Douglas. Director of player personnel Chad Alexander departed to join the Chargers in February. Neither has been replaced. It would be very odd for a team to leave such roles unfilled entering a season.

Is ownership saving money? Beyond those unfilled roles, the Jets’ cash spending is down considerably in 2024, ranking 21st at $261.4 million after ranking fifth at $280.8 million in 2023. Are these things coincidental or part of a vision to protect against possible changes in the future? Perhaps Woody Johnson, with his GM and coach on thin ice, doesn’t want them making financial decisions that could instead be made by the next regime.”

Here’s the deal: currently JD and Saleh are lame ducks. The same reason they had trouble finding a Senior Offensive Assistant is the reason they haven’t filled any assistant jobs in the front office; no one’s signing on to a lame duck situation. That’s it. It’s that simple. 
 
The “down considerably” in cash spending is also nonsense. It’s literally 7% less than last year. Ooh, considerable! Never mind that they had a lot more cap room last year than this year. They filled roster holes in different ways this season, including the use of incentive clauses and void years. Everyone needs an angle to get clicks and no one seems to like clicking more than anxiety ridden Jets fans, so there’s always a lot of common area in that particular Venn diagram. 

[T0mShane]

3 hours ago, slats said:

Here’s the deal: currently JD and Saleh are lame ducks. The same reason they had trouble finding a Senior Offensive Assistant is the reason they haven’t filled any assistant jobs in the front office; no one’s signing on to a lame duck situation. That’s it. It’s that simple. 
 
The “down considerably” in cash spending is also nonsense. It’s literally 7% less than last year. Ooh, considerable! Never mind that they had a lot more cap room last year than this year. They filled roster holes in different ways this season, including the use of incentive clauses and void years. Everyone needs an angle to get clicks and no one seems to like clicking more than anxiety ridden Jets fans, so there’s always a lot of common area in that particular Venn diagram. 

Mueller has never been a Joe Douglas fan and has been hammering the Jets hard over their fealty to Rodgers. He sarcastically refers to the Jets GM spot as a “dream job” because the owner signs a lot of checks and gives GMs multiple chances to rebuild. 
 

RE: the cash spend stuff, it’s super not ideal to have cash to spend but no cap space to actually spend it. It points to a lack of coherence and foresight from the front office, and it’s the problem the Chargers run into often. Douglas, if he had cap flexibility, could be moving money into this year to open up cap room next year to pay Garrett Wilson, Sauce, etc. Instead, he’s on a collision course where he’s going to have to pay a bunch of guys in the same years Rodgers’ corpse is chewing up massive chunks of cap room. 

[bicketybam]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Douglas, if he had cap flexibility, could be moving money into this year to open up cap room next year to pay Garrett Wilson, Sauce, etc. Instead, he’s on a collision course where he’s going to have to pay a bunch of guys in the same years Rodgers’ corpse is chewing up massive chunks of cap room. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/3745/aaron-rodgers

Massive 😱

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/3745/aaron-rodgers

Massive 😱

 

[T0mShane]

I don’t know much about baggage handling, but I can read a spreadsheet. 

[neckdemon]

21 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/3745/aaron-rodgers

Massive 😱

it's really not though. head over to overthecap.com and take a look at trhe cap hits for some of the top qbs in the league. it's not cheap, but rodgers is still considered a top qb until definitively proven otherwise

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

it's really not though. head over to overthecap.com and take a look at trhe cap hits for some of the top qbs in the league. it's not cheap, but rodgers is still considered a top qb until definitively proven otherwise

The difference being if you have a highly paid QB who’s sticking around, you can just keep pushing those cap charges into the future and thinning them out. With Rodgers, the Jets are set up similarly to the Broncos situation with Russell Wilson, where there’s going to be a two year stretch wherein he’s eating up a beefy bit of cap. With Russell Wilson, the Broncos are taking all the hurt this year, and he’s costing them $53mm against the cap.

[neckdemon]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The difference being if you have a highly paid QB who’s sticking around, you can just keep pushing those cap charges into the future and thinning them out. With Rodgers, the Jets are set up similarly to the Broncos situation with Russell Wilson, where there’s going to be a two year stretch wherein he’s eating up a beefy bit of cap. With Russell Wilson, the Broncos are taking all the hurt this year, and he’s costing them $53mm against the cap.

true, but if rodgers plays next year they can always convert some to bonus and lower the hit for next year a bit. it's the cost of having a good qb. the only other way is to get lucky and draft a guy like cj stroud who will play for a couple years cheap and then cost a metric asston of money
look at stafford's cap hits as an example
i'd rather be in our situation than the cardinals having to pay kyler murray all that money and he's just not very good

[bicketybam]

41 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

That's really not as bad as you want to think it is. What's the Jets dead cap hit today? Any ideas? 

[bicketybam]

42 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t know much about baggage handling, but I can read a spreadsheet. 

You don't know how to interpret the numbers though, Tim. 

[T0mShane]

15 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

true, but if rodgers plays next year they can always convert some to bonus and lower the hit for next year a bit. it's the cost of having a good qb. the only other way is to get lucky and draft a guy like cj stroud who will play for a couple years cheap and then cost a metric asston of money
look at stafford's cap hits as an example
i'd rather be in our situation than the cardinals having to pay kyler murray all that money and he's just not very good

Yeah, they basically have to hope Rodgers plays next year in order for this to work out at all (unless they win the Super Bowl this year, which, no way). Similar to the Stafford situation, they shot their shot with McVay and it paid off with a chip, so they don’t care much. But, that said, they’re now playing with an entirely faceless defense and, last year, they only had two players on defense making over $2 million dollars. The 2025-26 defense is going to be extremely expensive between Sauce, Reed, if they pay MCII, Quinnen and Quincy Williams, Jermaine Johnson, etc. 

[BCJet]

4 hours ago, slats said:

Here’s the deal: currently JD and Saleh are lame ducks. The same reason they had trouble finding a Senior Offensive Assistant is the reason they haven’t filled any assistant jobs in the front office; no one’s signing on to a lame duck situation. That’s it. It’s that simple. 
 
The “down considerably” in cash spending is also nonsense. It’s literally 7% less than last year. Ooh, considerable! Never mind that they had a lot more cap room last year than this year. They filled roster holes in different ways this season, including the use of incentive clauses and void years. Everyone needs an angle to get clicks and no one seems to like clicking more than anxiety ridden Jets fans, so there’s always a lot of common area in that particular Venn diagram. 

I actually think its JD and Saleh trying to protect themselves along with people not wanting to join this organization.

These jobs are so lucrative and so rare that these guys are not going to bring in their possible replacement.  We all wanted a "Senior Offensive Assistant" to come in because Hackett is so incompetent, but Saleh doesnt want to create an awkward situation so he doesnt bring in anyone in.  Its a flawed process - but even though I dont see JD needing to be fired, he still isnt going to bring in an up and coming senior personnel director to eventually replace him.

But to your point - anyone who thinks that Woody Johnson isnt a reason that its so difficult to get people here is insane. Hes one of the worst owners in pro sports and a large part of the reason this franchise wound up with John Idzik (now a secretary in Jacksonville) and Mike Macagan (now a barista). as GM.

Denver actually just hired David Shaw as a senior assistant because Payton has job security and isnt afraid of Shaw taking over his role.  He would be a great coach to consider if Saleh doesnt work out.

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

You don't know how to interpret the numbers though, Tim. 

You got me there. How much dead cap goes to Rodgers if he retires after this year? And if he retires next year?

[neckdemon]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You got me there. How much dead cap goes to Rodgers if he retires after this year? And if he retires next year?

the cap charge for retiring is basically the same as the player being cut and if they file the paperwork after june 1st its like a post june designation cut. so in the case, rodgers would be 14 million in dead cap and 9.5 million in cap savings if he were to retire after june 1st in 2025. if it were 2026 the numbers would be 14 million in dead cap hit with 49 million in cap savings. 

 

this is going by the numbers on overthecap.com

[neckdemon]

23 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Yeah, they basically have to hope Rodgers plays next year in order for this to work out at all (unless they win the Super Bowl this year, which, no way). Similar to the Stafford situation, they shot their shot with McVay and it paid off with a chip, so they don’t care much. But, that said, they’re now playing with an entirely faceless defense and, last year, they only had two players on defense making over $2 million dollars. The 2025-26 defense is going to be extremely expensive between Sauce, Reed, if they pay MCII, Quinnen and Quincy Williams, Jermaine Johnson, etc. 

i don't think we can pay them all. someone will have to be traded or just not re-signed. i'd like to see a trade over just losing for nothing but JD seems to be an idiot in that regard

[bicketybam]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You got me there. How much dead cap goes to Rodgers if he retires after this year? And if he retires next year?

The Jets' dead cap right now for 2024 is over 52 million. Rodgers cap hit for this year is a paltry 17 mil. His dead cap in 2025 would be 49 mil and in 2026 it's 35 million. I expect Rodgers to play this year and next. His total contract is currently less than what Daniel Jones is paid. When it comes to the cap, teams manipulate it every year. The cap also increases every year. His contract situation is not nearly as dire as you pretend it to be.

 

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Rodgers’ corpse is chewing up massive chunks of cap room. 

 

2 hours ago, bicketybam said:

Massive 😱

 

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

How much dead cap goes to Rodgers if he retires after this year? And if he retires next year?

 

45 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

His dead cap in 2025 would be 49 mil and in 2026 it's 35 million

[bicketybam]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

 

 

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