stormshadow19 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 So you can pretty much guarantee that Ferguson and Mangold will turn out to flop like the Raiders picks? It's just a simple comparison between the two teams drafts. Nothing should be read into it unless it's proven fact IMO. Well, Paul, welcome fo the bridge this dude just leaped to make this comparison. Similar drafts? Maybe... as far as the first two picks go. And, considering both of their picks, speaking of the Jets, were first round picks, and the jets second round pick was, in fact, a quarterback, a point that is left out by Mr North, who has a hard on for Paris Hilton's boy, who is more obsessed with Hollywood and being somebody, than becoming a football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 dbrick is a better prospect than gallery was coming out. I wouldn't go that far. Gallery was every bit as highly touted as Ferguson probably moreso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I wouldn't go that far. Gallery was every bit as highly touted as Ferguson probably moreso. Again, it is just my opinion being a big CFB fan and watching both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 1996 OT Jonathan Ogden (4) = 9-time pro-bowler Top offensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 those are some good facts right there....and anyone notice how peter north didnt respond to the great facts? lol And he never will. That's what trolls do. So, do this accordingly "Do NOT feed the troll" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 2001 OT Leonard Davis (2) = not a pro-bowler, but started 75 games since 2001 Top offensive “playmaker” taken = QB Michael Vick (1) 2002 OT Mike Williams (4) = total bust Top offensive “playmaker” taken = QB David Carr (3) = total punching bag 2003 OT Jordan Gross (8) Top offensive “playmaker” taken = QB Carson Palmer (like 1998, no one considered drafting Gross #1 or ahead of Carson Palmer) 2004 OT Robert Gallery (2) = still developing Top offensive “playmaker” taken = QB Eli Manning (1) = developing into a choke-artist like his brother Every draft is different. In 2003, the next eight picks after Gross were all defensive players, Andre Davis and Byron Leftwich, rightly, came off the board before him, though, too. The entire 2002 draft, DRob and Askew included, was terrible. Jeremy Shocky was probably the best pick after Williams, and would've been a better pick than Williams. But in 2001, three picks after Leonard Davis the Chargers took LaDainian Tomlinson. In 2004, perhaps no one was suggesting that they'd take Gallery before Eli Manning, either, but the Raiders did take him right in front of Larry Fitzgerald. '98? Kyle Turley came off the board two picks ahead of Fred Taylor. 95 - Boseli is drafted ahead of Steve McNair There's a strong case to be made for the playmaker, too, is all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Every draft is different. Absolutely. 2006 was a VERY deep draft, particularly along the OL. So for a single OT to be considered top-5 talent in such a deep draft, it speaks more to his talent than one who rises to the top in a weak one. In 2003, the next eight picks after Gross were all defensive players, Andre Davis and Byron Leftwich, rightly, came off the board before him, though, too. OK, so when Carolina was picking, they had a choice of the best OT available (Gross) or the next-best rated offensive talents judging by the next 2 offensive selections (Bryant Johnson & Kyle Boller). Bet you that Arizona & Baltimore would like to have Jordan Gross instead. The entire 2002 draft, DRob and Askew included, was terrible. Jeremy Shocky was probably the best pick after Williams, and would've been a better pick than Williams. Shockey was drafted in 2002. If the Giants weren't on-the-clock (and already had Barber/Dayne) it's as likely the next team would've drafted William Green (who went 1 pick later) ahead of Shockey. DRob and Askew were drafted in 2003, not 2002. But in 2001, three picks after Leonard Davis the Chargers took LaDainian Tomlinson. Absolutely, and Tomlinson was clearly the gem of the 2001 draft. The best RB's in the league have to come from SOMEWHERE. No one is suggesting that RB's (or offensive talent in general) is always a wasted pick and poorer value than an OT. The strength of this draft was then thought to be the "next Randy Moss" crop of playmakers at WR (including such future HOF'ers as David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Rod Gardener, Freddie Mitchell, and Quincy Morgan all going off the board by pick #33. Though some good ones were also taken in Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Chris Chambers, and Steve Smith, those playes were mostly consiered to be in the "2nd tier" of WR talent that year. Shows you how much the "experts" know). In 2004, perhaps no one was suggesting that they'd take Gallery before Eli Manning, either, but the Raiders did take him right in front of Larry Fitzgerald. True, but the top-10 was also filled with Phillip Rivers, Kellen Winslow Jr, and Reggie Williams. All thought to be sure-things. There are no sure things. '98? Kyle Turley came off the board two picks ahead of Fred Taylor. True. But it's also true that Chicago took Curtis Enis #5 ahead of both Turley and Taylor. 95 - Boseli is drafted ahead of Steve McNair And one pick later was Michael Westbrook. Boselli was arguably the best OT in football before he developed impossible-to-predict back problems. Look at the Jaguars offensive #'s IMMEDIATELY after losing Boselli (with the same QB, RB, and WR's). They were a perennial top-10 offensive team with him and haven't been since his departure. He made the entire offense better by opening holes for Taylor & buying time for Brunell. There's a strong case to be made for the playmaker, too, is all I'm saying. No argument here. But this was all in response to posters who think there is never a decision to be made; that a draft pick that high MUST go to a playmaker and OL can be filled with later picks just as successfully. Or that addressing the OL later, with an earlier selection at QB, will absolutely render the greater overall benefit. Clearly that is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Obviously Eric Mangini wasn't trying to emulate Al Davis on purpose. The reason why the Jets had the draft they did was because Mangini wanted to play it safe and not take any risks that might hurt his young career. In the first round he drafted the guys 90% of people said the Jets should take. It's actually a brilliant strategy. This way, if the Jets suck, Mangini can say "who would have known". If the Jets don't suck he'll look like a genius. Problem is the Jets could have had a much better draft, I'm talking something special. You can spin logic and say whatever garbage you want but there is no comparison between Clemens/Ferguson and Leinart /Justice or Leinart/McNeill. Jets could have gotten BOTH playmakers and O-line. Now after the Jets suck next season, the front office will try to OD on playmakers. Hopefully Mangini won't continue to follow the Raiders model and sign overpriced veterans like Randy Moss and Warren Sapp. I want Michael Bush in next year's draft. No more linemen or undersized qb's please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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