Warfish Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 It seems to me the entire Jets fanbase has gone looney when it comes ot the WR position lately....led, in many ways, by the rumour machine of ESPN and the Heads and so-called Insiders, who babble every day about some supposed new Jets WR deal. What I want to know is this: When the season eneded, and I mean the second the whistle blew on the Pitt game....how many of you HONESTLY thought the WR position was one of primary need? How many of you thought it was one that REQUIRED upgrade for the Jets to make it over the hump in 2005?? I freely admit, even with my general dislike of Santana Moss (as a player), I did NOT. I felt exceedingly confident that the JEts going into 2005 with Moss, McCareins, Cotchery and either Carter/Chrebet/Mid-to-Low-Draft Pick at #4 and #5 would be just fine...more than that, that under a REAL O-Co, this unit could excell, could show that the performance of 2004 was a fluke, a fluke brough on by Hackett and Chad's limb-related demise. But ever since the offseason has started, it's been thread after thread on potential WR's....on potential trades, deals, draft picks and more. All about the WR it seems. So.....what ARE our REAL-WORLD options at WR next year now. Do we NEED a new WR so badly, we can use valuable cap-space and perhaps even trade picks, to get one? Have we slammed the door forever on Santana Moss with these recent rumours? Or does that even matter...IF we "SHOW HIM THE MONEY!!!" as it were. So, put yourself in the GM chair as of TODAY. What REALISTIC moves do you make if you run the show?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Im not sure it is a simple as wanting one because it's FA time. Dinger likes ot run 4 & 5 WR sets. As of right now we have Moss McCareins Chrebet Cotchery Carter As a new OC coming in id be looking to upgrade the WR position...ASAP. Now i can't talk for dinger but that what i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 & i believe one of these WR's will get left out of the FA money and the jets will throw some change at him to sign. WHo will it be i don't know. Unless Dinger feels Chrebet is finished(like me) then i can see us signing a WR ,yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I really would like to see us sign Derrick Mason-he would be a good fit familiar to Dinger and he has been a reliable solid guy for the Titans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 As a non-Jets fan... TE remains a pretty significant need. Unfortunately I can't think of any significant TE FAs other than Bubba Franks who "doesn't do much for me", to use the old cliche. At WR.... meh.... as an outsider it's hard to see the infatuation with Carter and Cotchery who combined for 233 yards last year, and Chrebet needs to be put out to pasture. I don't think the Jets would be WRONG to spend their #1 at WR if, say, Mark Clayton is there and is BPA (which he likely would be), but I don't think it's particularly high on the need list (which should be prominently considered on day 1 of the draft), below TE, CB, S, and OT certainly, and below RB if Jordan leaves. However does the Jets WR corps need upgrading? Yes. A rd 3-5 prospect would be nice, and even better would be a *mid-tier* WR--- someone like David Patten who can come in and provide 400-700 yards as the Jets #3, and won't look bad if pressed into duty as a starter. So yes: The Jets need to get better at WR. But it should not be a primary are of focus, more an area to "shore up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 *******SERIOUS RESPONSE TO A SERIOUS POSTERS THREAD****** Jets need som tweaking at every position QB..Solidify the backup position, because no one knows for sure what chad will do OL...KMac is done. Unless The Knish or The Turnstile have shown the FO something none of us know about, a Tackle is on the menu!! RB....WE all hope Lamont stays so we can keep status quo.....but drafting a RB is a priority. <I am one of the BJ Askew suppporters out there, think he'll suffice, but a rookie is needed> WR....Wayne will be back, and when all is said and done, Coles will be wearing Green and White. Jon Carter is #5, and I can live with that!! TE...Another influx is needed. Will it be Itui Mili, Stephen Alexander, or some Rook? Who knows?? DL...Hope Fergie comes back, as do I hope Tank comes back, but a draft pick here is in order. No more Alan Harper, pleeeeeeeeeese LB.. Unfortunately I think Jason Glenn has played his last game for the Jets....he'll need to be replaced. Maybe McClover steps it up!! Cowart is toast, so a F/A is the way to go here!! CB...I think a draft pick is the answer here. Big play Ray is back....so I feel a bit better here Safety...An influx is needed here obviously. I also think that Tongue is toast, but I support his play, Played well 2nd half, but if he goes, I lose no sleep!! K...c'mon, Brien is done in this town P...Hope the Aussie pans out!! Everywhere you look, changes will be made. Some call this Tweaking, I call it the life during the Salary Cap!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I dont know if Wayne has any gas left in the tank. If he's cleared by the doc's and the staff thinks he hasn't lost anything - then maybe he can still contribute. It would be lousy thing to have him back on sentiment. If TB can't get Coles or D-Mase, and it isn't looking good for either of those, I have to side with Seymore and say get a "mid range" WR who can fill #4 and go with what we have. I'm really excited to see what Dinger can do with this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenjetsfan Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 *******SERIOUS RESPONSE TO A SERIOUS POSTERS THREAD****** Jets need som tweaking at every position QB..Solidify the backup position, because no one knows for sure what chad will do OL...KMac is done. Unless The Knish or The Turnstile have shown the FO something none of us know about, a Tackle is on the menu!! RB....WE all hope Lamont stays so we can keep status quo.....but drafting a RB is a priority. <I am one of the BJ Askew suppporters out there, think he'll suffice, but a rookie is needed> WR....Wayne will be back, and when all is said and done, Coles will be wearing Green and White. Jon Carter is #5, and I can live with that!! TE...Another influx is needed. Will it be Itui Mili, Stephen Alexander, or some Rook? Who knows?? DL...Hope Fergie comes back, as do I hope Tank comes back, but a draft pick here is in order. No more Alan Harper, pleeeeeeeeeese LB.. Unfortunately I think Jason Glenn has played his last game for the Jets....he'll need to be replaced. Maybe McClover steps it up!! Cowart is toast, so a F/A is the way to go here!! CB...I think a draft pick is the answer here. Big play Ray is back....so I feel a bit better here Safety...An influx is needed here obviously. I also think that Tongue is toast, but I support his play, Played well 2nd half, but if he goes, I lose no sleep!! K...c'mon, Brien is done in this town P...Hope the Aussie pans out!! Everywhere you look, changes will be made. Some call this Tweaking, I call it the life during the Salary Cap!! EXCEPT that center position that I WUB WUB so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 WR is the leasdt of our problems. If we don't address the OT issues, Chad won't have time to hit his WR's anyway. Our needs in order are: OT CB Backup RB Backup QB S DT WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Is Wayne getting his Bonus today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 WR is the leasdt of our problems. If we don't address the OT issues, Chad won't have time to hit his WR's anyway. Our needs in order are: OT CB Backup RB Backup QB S DT WR Exactly boozer, and if LaMont Jordan is leaving I wouldn't characterize the need as "backup RB"--- you need a guy who can take the full load, because at Martin's age a dropoff could come suddenly. At this point you have to take Martin year to year-- he should be fine for 2005, but for 2006 who knows? And you want to have a successor in place if at all possible. I'd hazard a guess that LB is either right below WR or right above it as well, if Cowart is cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 WR is the leasdt of our problems. If we don't address the OT issues, Chad won't have time to hit his WR's anyway. Our needs in order are: OT CB Backup RB Backup QB S DT WR Boozer -right now the Jets have several issues that have to be addressed- left tackle position and running back if Mckenzie and Lamont are actually goners come right to the top of our needs. At tackle as a replacement I like Jennings from Buffalo - This Draft has deep inventory of backs that are coming out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 This Draft has deep inventory of backs that are coming out I'm really starting to dig Darren Sproles, and he might be a nice fit for you guys as a #2 RB (although #3 in terms of starter depth, #2 in terms of PT). Sproles is only 5'6 but he was uber-productive in college, has a stout build and good weight (186 IIRC) for his size, has solid receiving skills from what I heard, and put up VERY nice #s at the combine (high 40, 22 reps on bench). IMO he's going to make a very nice 3rd down back for someone, the kind of guy who is very productive on an 8-12 touches per game basis (a Kevin Faulk, or a Bryant Westbrook circa 2003) Could he standd the pounding as an every down back? I wouldn't rule it out completely but most likely no.... but that doesn't mean he won't have value for a team that uses him right. For the team that is willing to overlook his size and realize that's not a major handicap in a limited role he could be a steal: very hard to get backs with his proven production and nice physical numbers as late as he'll probably be available. I'd want him for the Pats but he'd be redundent, as we already have Faulk in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I'm really starting to dig Darren Sproles, and he might be a nice fit for you guys as a #2 RB (although #3 in terms of starter depth, #2 in terms of PT). Sproles is only 5'6 but he was uber-productive in college, has a stout build and good weight (186 IIRC) for his size, has solid receiving skills from what I heard, and put up VERY nice #s at the combine (high 40, 22 reps on bench). IMO he's going to make a very nice 3rd down back for someone, the kind of guy who is very productive on an 8-12 touches per game basis (a Kevin Faulk, or a Bryant Westbrook circa 2003) Could he standd the pounding as an every down back? I wouldn't rule it out completely but most likely no.... but that doesn't mean he won't have value for a team that uses him right. For the team that is willing to overlook his size and realize that's not a major handicap in a limited role he could be a steal: very hard to get backs with his proven production and nice physical numbers as late as he'll probably be available. I'd want him for the Pats but he'd be redundent, as we already have Faulk in that role. RS -you hit it on the head with another post I saw from you- the Jets need someone to groom to take over for Curtis-Sproles is not going to be durable enough to be that guy IMO. GJ & Ham is touting Moats who I also like and another guy that I like include Shelton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 RS -you hit it on the head with another post I saw from you- the Jets need someone to groom to take over for Curtis-Sproles is not going to be durable enough to be that guy IMO. GJ & Ham is touting Moats who I also like and another guy that I like include Shelton Yeah, if you were to add Sproles it would have to be as the 3rd RB on your roster, so you'd probably have to draft a Moats or someone else earlier to be the main backup. But Sproles will likely be there on day 2, and in the 4th or 5th round it would be hard to find another player with as good a shot at making a meaningful contribution. I mean really you need two RBs if LaMont goes: if Josh Davis is the answer I don't know what the question is. A "real backup" in the 2nd to 4th and Sproles in the 4th to 6th would make a lot of sense, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Yeah, if you were to add Sproles it would have to be as the 3rd RB on your roster, so you'd probably have to draft a Moats or someone else earlier to be the main backup. But Sproles will likely be there on day 2, and in the 4th or 5th round it would be hard to find another player with as good a shot at making a meaningful contribution. I mean really you need two RBs if LaMont goes: if Josh Davis is the answer I don't know what the question is. A "real backup" in the 2nd to 4th and Sproles in the 4th to 6th would make a lot of sense, IMO. The Jets do not have the luxury though to take two backs in the draft with the other needs on the team to be addressed-in theory I understand what your are thinking but the reality is we gotta grab the one guy that will come in and be able to be that feature back for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 The Jets do not have the luxury though to take two backs in the draft with the other needs on the team to be addressed-in theory I understand what your are thinking but the reality is we gotta grab the one guy that will come in and be able to be that feature back for us. Gotta politely disagree. Day 2 picks--- with the slight exception of the 4th round--- aren't really about need so much as trying to find ANYONE who can stick to the roster and make a meaningful contribution. Need really only enters into it to the extent that you don't want to draft guys who will have a tough time making the roster at an area of strength. I think Sproles has a better chance than almost anyone else likely to be available on day 2 of meaningful contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Just noticed for his career Sproles had a solid 40 punt returns for 378 yards, 1 TD, a 9.5 ypr. Also 23 kick returns for 597 yards, a 26.0 ypr average. Not a ton of return experience, but enough quantity and quality to suggest he might be good in either role for an NFL team. The kid's going to be a good Swiss Army Knife RB for someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Updated: Jan. 28, 2005 ESPN.com evaluation: RB Darren Sproles Scouts, Inc. Darren Sproles is a pint-sized running back that uses his size to his advantage by getting lost behind his offensive line. He is shifty, quick and explosive in space. He also has a lot of versatility as a potential third-down back and/or return specialist in the NFL. But Sproles' lack of size and -- perhaps more importantly -- lack of power as a runner will likely prevent him from ever developing into a fulltime starting running back in the NFL. Sproles needs to use this week to prove that he has the potential to contribute as a third-down back and return specialist in the NFL. If he can do that, Sproles has a good chance of getting drafted late on Day 1. Darren Sproles 21 Kansas State 43 RB PLAYER AGE SCHOOL NO. POSITION Height 5-6 -- One of the smallest RBs in class. Weight 181 -- Lack of overall size is biggest weakness as NFL prospect. Speed 4.49 in the 40-yard dash. Good speed. Even better quickness. Intelligence Is intelligent and versatile. Picks things up extremely quickly. Toughness Tough as it gets. Carried ridiculous load as RB and return man. Strength/Flex Strong and flexible for size but not a powerful runner. Durability Remarkably healthy for a small back with so many "touches". Character No off-the-field issues. Coaches speak extremely high of him. Hands A- Not a mismatch vertically as a receiver but is smooth and reliable. Caught the ball cleanly. Run Instincts A- Sees the field well for a smaller back. Is patient, finds his crease and attacks. Inside Runner B Productive because of vision and burst, but he's not going to break tackles or push the pile. Outside Runner B+ Huge threat on the perimeter. Shows the initial burst and speed to turn the corner. Elusiveness B+ More of a cutback runner than a "wiggle" guy, but makes defenders miss in space nonetheless. Power Runner D Won't run over many defenders and won't push the pile as a short-yardage runner. Block Run/Pass C- Works at it and is technically sound but 5-5 frame is killer in this department. Willingness to Block B+ Gives a good effort but occasionally will try to cut or lunge in order to protect himself. Durability B Some minor injuries but held up remarkably well for diminutive back with such a huge load. Fumble A Protects the football extremely well, especially for a smaller back. RS from Scouts Inc a review of Sproles-a little old-Jan'05 report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Thanks Faba. But Sproles' lack of size and -- perhaps more importantly -- lack of power as a runner will likely prevent him from ever developing into a fulltime starting running back in the NFL. That's the key right there. IMO there's an outside chance he COULD be a fulltime RB at the NFL level--- he was HUGELY productive in a major college conference with pretty good durability. But at 5-6, yes, he probably is NOT going to ever be a fulltime starting RB. What's important is to accept that and then look at what he CAN be--- which is not bad at all. Teams and draftniks shouldn't get caught up in what he isn't, but should look at what he is. IMO in the 5th or 6th he'd be a freaking steal. In the 4th or 3rd (more likely) he's a very solid pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 2005 New York Jets recieving core will look like one of these 3 options: 1) Moss McCareins Cotchery Chrebet or Carter MARK BRADLEY - R FROM OKLAHOMA 2) Coles McCareins Cotchery Chrebet Carter or Bradley 3) Mason McCareins Moss Cotchery Carter or Bradley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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