RSJ Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 don't believe that BS. Rex had money guaranteed his way (multiple millions) and Woody wouldn't fire Rex and then pay him to give CBS color commentary with JB and Dan. Feelings had nothing to do with it. Either way, Woody is a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Idzik's in charge of the draft, and the Jets hired a couple decent offensive coaches this year in Mornhinweg and Lee. If those guys are competent, there's really no reason to believe they can't. How do you know they are decent coaches? The offensive is a complete punchline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 How do you know they are decent coaches? The offensive is a complete punchline. It's possible both Lee and Marty are here for another season while Rex gets canned. The offense is a punchline because they don't have any good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 It's possible both Lee and Marty are here for another season while Rex gets canned. The offense is a punchline because they don't have any good players. The wildcat guy is going to save us apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Why does Idzik get a pass for his awful first draft and terrible FA moves bungling the QB position again. Not firing the guy after his first season in the job isn't the same as giving him a pass. He was working under a lot of restraints this season. Next year, all of those shackles are off - including Rex, if he so decides. That's when you really start to judge the guy, IMHO. He'll need to do something very bold at the QB position for starters. If he decides to fire Rex, he needs to hire someone better. For all the vitriol here, that's still much easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Former Jets scout Joe Bommarito is on Twitter. Earlier this season, he tweeted that they "knew what we were doing" when they drafted Stephen Hill, and that he'd be "fine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Former Jets scout Joe Bommarito is on Twitter. Earlier this season, he tweeted that they "knew what we were doing" when they drafted Stephen Hill, and that he'd be "fine." It amazes me. It really does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Not firing the guy after his first season in the job isn't the same as giving him a pass. He was working under a lot of restraints this season. Next year, all of those shackles are off - including Rex, if he so decides. That's when you really start to judge the guy, IMHO. He'll need to do something very bold at the QB position for starters. If he decides to fire Rex, he needs to hire someone better. For all the vitriol here, that's still much easier said than done. You realize that what he does this offseason will set the tone of the franchise for the next 5 years right? You trust him and his incompetent scouting and coaching staffs to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Former Jets scout Joe Bommarito is on Twitter. Earlier this season, he tweeted that they "knew what we were doing" when they drafted Stephen Hill, and that he'd be "fine." We will see. Like you point out, its not like I trust this staff to develop anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 You realize that what he does this offseason will set the tone of the franchise for the next 5 years right? You trust him and his incompetent scouting and coaching staffs to do that? Has he fully brought in his new set of scouts though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Alshon Jeffrey had 250 yards receiving yesterday. Hill might not have 250 for the rest of his career. Glad to see the Jets scouts knew what they were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Has he fully brought in his new set of scouts though? He's responsible if he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Alshon Jeffrey had 250 yards receiving yesterday. Hill might not have 250 for the rest of his career. Glad to see the Jets scouts knew what they were doing. With Cutler throwing to him and Marshall on the other side. Much different. Hill hasn't improved at all - but neither has anyone on offense under Rex, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 With Cutler throwing to him and Marshall on the other side. Much different. Hill hasn't improved at all - but neither has anyone on offense under Rex, ever. Josh Mccown was throwing the ball yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Josh Mccown was throwing the ball yesterday. Josh McCown would be the best QB the Jets have had since Testeverde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Josh McCown would be the best QB the Jets have had since Testeverde. You surround guys with good players they can look competent. Mccown on the Jets this year would be worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 You surround guys with good players they can look competent. Mccown on the Jets this year would be worthless. He would still be better than Seneca Smith or Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 He would still be better than Seneca Smith or Sanchez. Not by much. Marshall and Alshon are going up and catching passes all over the place. If anything, its driving Cutlers price down which I guess could be good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Not by much. Marshall and Alshon are going up and catching passes all over the place. If anything, its driving Cutlers price down which I guess could be good for us. NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Not by much. Marshall and Alshon are going up and catching passes all over the place. If anything, its driving Cutlers price down which I guess could be good for us. Yeah, lets gets some players in here and a solid coaching staff before completely writing him off. I'm with you though, so far he looks like a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 NO lol. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think silly to blame Idzik for 2013 draft. Silly. He takes over month before draft, is using all Tanny's scouts reports/data based on instructions tanny gave to scouts. In Seattle he was imbedded recently mainly in Finance so probably wasnt 100% ingrained in scouting reports for 2013 class. Plus, what he would have seen was based on Seahawks needs/system etc. He must not have liked what he saw with Jets Scouts, prep, reports and final results he was forced to drfat base don report sand Tannys scouts in the warroom. remember, he fired all of our scouts save one I think. Now he has had a full year, with HIS handpicked scouts, providing reports base don HIS instrucytions for what HE is looking for in a player and how they fit in HIS desired system. lets be fair and see what he does in 2014 when he is playing on a level playing field with his deck of cards and his folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think silly to blame Idzik for 2013 draft. Silly. He takes over month before draft, is using all Tanny's scouts reports/data based on instructions tanny gave to scouts. In Seattle he was imbedded recently mainly in Finance so probably wasnt 100% ingrained in scouting reports for 2013 class. Plus, what he would have seen was based on Seahawks needs/system etc. He must not have liked what he saw with Jets Scouts, prep, reports and final results he was forced to drfat base don report sand Tannys scouts in the warroom. remember, he fired all of our scouts save one I think. Now he has had a full year, with HIS handpicked scouts, providing reports base don HIS instrucytions for what HE is looking for in a player and how they fit in HIS desired system. lets be fair and see what he does in 2014 when he is playing on a level playing field with his deck of cards and his folks. True, fair points. Most of the scouting folks were cleared out once the draft was over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think silly to blame Idzik for 2013 draft. Silly. He takes over month before draft, is using all Tanny's scouts reports/data based on instructions tanny gave to scouts. In Seattle he was imbedded recently mainly in Finance so probably wasnt 100% ingrained in scouting reports for 2013 class. Plus, what he would have seen was based on Seahawks needs/system etc. He must not have liked what he saw with Jets Scouts, prep, reports and final results he was forced to drfat base don report sand Tannys scouts in the warroom. remember, he fired all of our scouts save one I think. Now he has had a full year, with HIS handpicked scouts, providing reports base don HIS instrucytions for what HE is looking for in a player and how they fit in HIS desired system. lets be fair and see what he does in 2014 when he is playing on a level playing field with his deck of cards and his folks. Are you frigging kidding me? No one forced him to let the retards who drafted Mark Sanchez and Gholston run the draft, that was HIS call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think silly to blame Idzik for 2013 draft. Silly. He takes over month before draft, is using all Tanny's scouts reports/data based on instructions tanny gave to scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 So basically Tanny kept the same scouting dept here once he took over for Bradway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Are you frigging kidding me? No one forced him to let the retards who drafted Mark Sanchez and Gholston run the draft, that was HIS call. By the time he was hired, the Senior Bowl was underway, and the Combine wasn't too far behind. There's no way he could have fired the entire scouting department, replaced them with his guys, and have those guys go out and provide full scouting reports on free agents and draft prospects. There simply wasn't enough time. He used what was in place until the draft was over, then brought in his guys. This is actually common practice for any newly hired General Manager. You can be angry at Idzik for how he's handled some things, but this is one thing you cannot criticize him for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Are you frigging kidding me? No one forced him to let the retards who drafted Mark Sanchez and Gholston run the draft, that was HIS call. LOL, this must be a joke post. he had no choice but to use the scout reports and suggestions from scouts/coaches on hand all year and then of course TRY and make up his own mind based on data from idiots. But he wasnt in any position to have data from his team like he will in 2014. Since he was cap guy last few years in Seattle what choice did he have a month before draft, LOL.. This is Candid camera for Jetnation, right Phil? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 LOL, this must be a joke post. he had no choice but to use the scout report sand suggestions and then of course make up his own mind. But he wasnt in any position to have data form hi steam like he will in 2014. Since he wa scap guy last few years in Seattle what choice di dhe have a month before draft, LOL.. This is Candid camera for Jetnation, right Phil? LOL He knew that the scouting staff he was walking into was incompetent and he knew he wasn't qualified to pick players. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 By the time he was hired, the Senior Bowl was underway, and the Combine wasn't too far behind. There's no way he could have fired the entire scouting department, replaced them with his guys, and have those guys go out and provide full scouting reports on free agents and draft prospects. There simply wasn't enough time. He used what was in place until the draft was over, then brought in his guys. This is actually common practice for any newly hired General Manager. You can be angry at Idzik for how he's handled some things, but this is one thing you cannot criticize him for. sourceworx, please stop making so much sense, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 He knew that the scouting staff he was walking into was incompetent and he knew he wasn't qualified to pick players. No? smh, I think in short time he had, per other guys post, he found out and reason he fired him all.. There wasnt anything else for him to do but use data at hand.. Or Kipers book, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 smh, I think in short time he had, per other guys post, he found out and reason he fired him all.. There wasnt anything else for him to do but use data at hand.. Or Kipers book, lol This seems to me like giving the benefit of the doubt in a situation where it hasn't been earned seeing as his FA moves and coaching hires were garbage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 This seems to me like giving the benefit of the doubt in a situation where it hasn't been earned seeing as his FA moves and coaching hires were garbage too. I think we need to see what a GM does in a horrific situation when he has had a year to prep for draft w/his scouts/data requests and when he gets his system/HC in place. Woody did Jets a dis-service by making new GM keep Rex. But hey, I'm just a slug who Bleeds Green and doesnt know much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think we need to see what a GM does in a horrific situation when he has had a year to prep for draft w/his scouts/data requests and when he gets his system/HC in place. Woody did Jets a dis-service by making new GM keep Rex. But hey, I'm just a slug who Bleeds Green and doesnt know much.. There were tons of players who signed for no money in FA who would've helped the Jets. Why do you have Dee Milliner and Walls instead of Brent Grimes? Why do we have Garrard instead of Josh McCown or Brian Hoyer? What about the genius move letting slausen walk? Remember Garay? Goodsen? His moves have been terrible across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 There were tons of players who signed for no money in FA who would've helped the Jets. Why do you have Dee Milliner and Walls instead of Brent Grimes? Why do we have Garrard instead of Josh McCown or Brian Hoyer? What about the genius move letting slausen walk? Remember Garay? Goodsen? His moves have been terrible across the board. I guess armchair GMs/angry fans can do this for most teams. I think we need to give him a year like I said and 2014 is fair game. But I understand some folks want 16-0 and 7 perfect picks. Its human nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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