flgreen Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I am basing it off of his track record going back to HIGH SCHOOL. Punching a teacher in the cafeteria. Being suspended from athletics in VA. Having more problems at UF. And having two teams in the NFL that couldnt wait to wash their hands of him. Pretty strong argument for a pattern of continuing behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 He wasn't being used enough for the lot he was still due. So, the Seahawks traded him to a team that needed a wide receiver. They dealt him mid-season because they were going to cut him anyway. Mid-season cuts are not about money. Post-season cuts are. They dealt him because he was probably badmouthing Russell Wilson to any teammates who would listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 They dealt him mid-season because they were going to cut him anyway. Mid-season cuts are not about money. Post-season cuts are. They dealt him because he was probably badmouthing Russell Wilson to any teammates who would listen. Percy Harvin was probably badmouthing Russell Wilson. -Via RoadFan He wasn't cut mid season, nor would he have been. He would have been cut this offseason, like the Jets are about to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Schneider is a smart man.. If he's more than willing to bring back Marshawn for big money, I think he was okay with Harvin being there. True...also incredibly naive to think any job is going to have over fifty "employees" and a few of them won't have character issues. Just comes down to how big the issues are and whether or not they cause a distraction. In the case of Harvin and Williams, both can/could be cut if they're that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Look at everybody. The team stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Percy Harvin was probably badmouthing Russell Wilson. -Via RoadFan He wasn't cut mid season, nor would he have been. He would have been cut this offseason, like the Jets are about to do. Yes.. they would have likely released Harvin mid-season. Do you read all reports or only pick and choose what supports your positions? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/19/report-seahawks-would-have-released-harvin-absent-a-trade/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Yes.. they would have likely released Harvin mid-season. Do you read all reports or only pick and choose what supports your positions? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/19/report-seahawks-would-have-released-harvin-absent-a-trade/ This seems like a report, that again, was never justified. I know Mortensen and Schefter are usually accurate but this storyline went away right after it was born. If this was a legitimate story, it would have gone further, instead we haven't heard anything because it's mostly ficton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 This seems like a report, that again, was never justified. I know Mortensen and Schefter are usually accurate but this storyline went away right after it was born. If this was a legitimate story, it would have gone further, instead we haven't heard anything because it's mostly ficton. Never justified?!?! Just because you dont get the whole story doesn't mean you cant read between the lines on this guy. Read the below... I mean READ it! Harvin played a role in Childress' downfall. Harvin threw a weight at his replacement Frazier in Minny. If it walks like a duck.. and quacks like a duck.. The Seahawks couldn't wait to dump Percy. Coming and going, Harvin helps Seahawks By JIM SOUHAN , STAR TRIBUNE January 30, 2015 - 12:06 AM Talented receiver keeps wearing out his welcome. Phoenix – The scouts are right. Percy Harvin is unique. He might be the only athlete in the history of professional sports who couldn’t get along with Darrell Bevell and Leslie Frazier, who, if they co-starred in a buddy movie, would have to call it “Nice and Nicer.” Harvin didn’t like Brad Childress, and helped speed the coach’s demise with the Vikings. Harvin threw a weight at Frazier, prompting the Vikings to trade him to Seattle. This season, eight months after helping the Seahawks win a Super Bowl, Harvin was traded to the Jets. To summarize the Seahawks’ dealings with Harvin: They traded too much to get him, rarely saw him on the field, traded him away for too little, and have a chance to win a second consecutive Super Bowl. Somehow, Seattle’s front office wrestled with a porcupine and emerged extolling the virtues of acupuncture. The Seahawks could become the first team in 10 years to win consecutive Super Bowls — one in part because they acquired Harvin, and one in part because they ditched him like a stolen car with personalized license plates. “We have to do what’s best for the organization, first and foremost,” said Seahawks General Manager and St. Thomas alum John Schneider. “We had the support of our owner, which was huge. We had discussed it for a long time with our owner. For one reason or another, it didn’t work out so we had to move forward.” On March 11, 2013, Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman traded Harvin to Seattle for first, third and seventh-round draft picks. The Seahawks signed Harvin to a six-year contract worth a potential $67 million. On Oct. 17, 2014, Seattle traded Harvin to the Jets for one conditional draft pick. That sequence would get 70 percent of NFL general managers fired. That sequence helped the Seahawks win one Super Bowl and position themselves to win another. “After the trade, we got back to doing what we do best,” Seattle receiver Doug Baldwin said. “Percy is a tremendous talent, and the tendency is to try to force the ball to a guy that talented. Now we’re running the offense the way it should be run.” Baldwin noted that the Seahawks don’t run the jet sweep now that Harvin has gone, and they don’t rely as much on short passes designed to let Harvin run with the ball after the catch. Instead, the Seahawks rely on Marshawn Lynch between the tackles, Lynch and Russell Wilson’s deft use of the read option and long passes to take advantage of defenses massed at the line to stop the run. In the five games following the trade, Seattle went 3-2. Starting Nov. 23, with a 19-3 victory over Arizona, the Seahawks have won eight in a row. Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell coached Harvin in Minnesota and was in favor of trading for him. “I think it’s always a tough decision, when you’re getting rid of that kind of talent,” Bevell said. “We know what he can do on the field. It’s disappointing, as well. It was disappointing for me. I would have a hard time believing you couldn’t thrive in our culture, with the coaches we have here in Seattle, but it wasn’t able to work.” Harvin forced the Vikings to trade him, and the Vikings received a handsome portfolio in return. The Seahawks felt forced to trade him, and played better without him. Harvin wound up playing for the Jets, in a limited offense with little chance to win. Two teams were glad to get rid of him. That’s something close to a trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Back on topic. Hell freakin' no to Mike Williams! This team needs to take its lumps and build around the right kind of core group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/17/report-teams-lining-up-meetings-with-mike-williamss-agent-in-indy/ Players who have been released by their former teams don’t have to wait for the start of the new league year to sign contracts with new organizations, something we’ve seen Buffalo try to take advantage of with their pursuit of quarterback Josh McCown. A player that Buffalo jettisoned is also garnering some interest. Wide receiver Mike Williams was released off of injured reserve just before the end of a disappointing 2014 that saw him get traded from Tampa to his hometown team with hopes that he’d play a significant role in their passing game. It didn’t work out that way and Williams wound up as a healthy scratch on more than one Sunday while offering the Bills little help on the field. That doesn’t appear to have soured other clubs from taking a look at Williams, however. Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that Williams’s agent Hadley Engelhard has lined up six meetings in Indianapolis with teams to discuss Williams’s future. While one of those meetings may well land Williams a spot on a 90-man roster, it is unlikely to guarantee him anything more than that. Williams has created a lot more off-field drama than on-field results the last two seasons and has battled injuries on top of that to make it easier to see why two teams have cut bait than why another one would make any kind of plans around him for the 2015 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Back on topic. Hell freakin' no to Mike Williams! This team needs to take its lumps and build around the right kind of core group. We've been down this road too many times - looking for shortcuts. Stop trying the get rich quick schemes and build a roster through the draft, sound decision making in free agency and a long term vision for the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 We've been down this road too many times - looking for shortcuts. Stop trying the get rich quick schemes and build a roster through the draft, sound decision making in free agency and a long term vision for the organization. Don't take shortcuts, but make sound decisions in free agency? What is a sound decision in free agency? Free agency basically is a shortcut. Sign a guy who was drafted/developed in order to fill a vacancy on your roster where you were unable to draft/develop/retain a player who plays that same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Don't take shortcuts, but make sound decisions in free agency? What is a sound decision in free agency? Free agency basically is a shortcut. Sign a guy who was drafted/developed in order to fill a vacancy on your roster where you were unable to draft/develop/retain a player who plays that same position. don't sign a guy that cut by a team for being a bad guy with the hopes of reviving his career. No, free agency is signing cap casualties and fillers. It's not trying strike gold on someone else's trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 don't sign a guy that cut by a team for being a bad guy with the hopes of reviving his career. No, free agency is signing cap casualties and fillers. It's not trying strike gold on someone else's trash. I always thought it was both...Pats just won a super bowl doing just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I always thought it was both...Pats just won a super bowl doing just that. Who? The pats won a super bowl with an all-time great QB - a CB in Revis was not trash but rather a cap casualty...Edelman and Gronk were draft picks Whose trash played a major role in their winning a SB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Who? The pats won a super bowl with an all-time great CB - Revis was not trash but rather a cap casualty...Edelman and Gronk were cap casualty. Who's trash played a major role in their winning a SB? Blount....148 YDS and 3 TDS in the AFCCG...I would classify that as helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Blount....148 YDS and 3 TDS in the AFCCG...I would classify that as helpful. Different situation. He knew the player well, understood who and what he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 It would be his third team in under a year. Sure! Why not? That's totally normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 If you think those guys are "high reward" at this point then there's not much need for discussion. Sidney Rice is also available and so is mike Vick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Different situation. He knew the player well, understood who and what he was. LOL...good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 It would be his third team in under a year. Sure! Why not? That's totally normal. Not everyone is scared of being somewhat unconventional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Sidney Rice is also available and so is mike Vick. You got a pretty impressive list of names there...you should start a "sign Mike Vick and Chad Johnson" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 LOL...good one. How or why is that funny? You're pointing to a situation that is very different than the one being discussed. If Mike Williams had played for Bowles and Bowles decided he can handle him and believed in his skill set than I would be all for going after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 How or why is that funny? You're pointing to a situation that is very different than the one being discussed. If Mike Williams had played for Bowles and Bowles decided he can handle him and believed in his skill set than I would be all for going after him. Here's how I look at the situation...it can go one of four ways. 1) Jets sign him for cheap, he's bad at football...they release him. End of story. 2) Somebody else signs him cheap, he's bad at football...they release him. End of story. 3) Jets sign him for cheap. He's awesome at football and he plays for the Jets. 4) Somebody else signs him for cheap. He's awesome at football and does not play for the Jets. Easy choice for me...nobody is saying to give him a six year deal with $48 million guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Not everyone is scared of being somewhat unconventional. That's deep bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 That's deep bro. It's not nearly as deep as it is true. Seattle won a super bowl by going unconventional and playing a third round rookie QB over a high priced vet who they'd just given millions of dollars. Carroll wasn't scared to go unconventional and he won a Super Bowl as a result. The Pats just won a super bowl with a guy who plays for a new team every 2-3 years in Revis. They didn't let it scare them off, they used it to win a Super Bowl and used Blount on the way. Dick Vermeil went in to camp with his back up QB coming out of the Arena League and won a ring. Not deep..just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 It's not nearly as deep as it is true. Seattle won a super bowl by going unconventional and playing a third round rookie QB over a high priced vet who they'd just given millions of dollars. Carroll wasn't scared to go unconventional and he won a Super Bowl as a result. The Pats just won a super bowl with a guy who plays for a new team every 2-3 years in Revis. They didn't let it scare them off, they used it to win a Super Bowl and used Blount on the way. Dick Vermeil went in to camp with his back up QB coming out of the Arena League and won a ring. Not deep..just right. No, no it's deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 It's not nearly as deep as it is true. Seattle won a super bowl by going unconventional and playing a third round rookie QB over a high priced vet who they'd just given millions of dollars. Carroll wasn't scared to go unconventional and he won a Super Bowl as a result. The Pats just won a super bowl with a guy who plays for a new team every 2-3 years in Revis. They didn't let it scare them off, they used it to win a Super Bowl and used Blount on the way. Dick Vermeil went in to camp with his back up QB coming out of the Arena League and won a ring. Not deep..just right. Ctm,crutch,cut,cut,cut,cxrylrefne.ut,cut,cu,ddtetulcyvygugukgui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I don't think Baltimore picking up Steve Smith is comparable. Smith may be a douche, but I've don't remember reading that the guy has been lacking in his work ethic at any time in his career. Yeah, but Pete Carroll took a chance and Russell Wilson one time, so think about that. THINK ABOUT IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ctm,crutch,cut,cut,cut,cxrylrefne.ut,cut,cu,ddtetulcyvygugukgui Not deep. Just right. New favorite line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 No, no it's deep. We can agree to disagree on this one, as we do with everything, but somebody is going to sign the guy and give themselves a chance at a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 We can agree to disagree on this one, as we do with everything, but somebody is going to sign the guy and give themselves a chance at a bargain. I disagree that we disagree about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I disagree that we disagree about everything. You're wrong about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 You're wrong about that. I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I disagree. I beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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