Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Meh. Just because Stafford is better than what we've had doesn't mean you give away a bunch of picks for him, if indeed the Lions were even looking to move him. He has a big arm, which a lot of people fall in love with, but what else does he do? Is he accurate? Sort of. He has a 60.1 % completion % in his career. Yes, that's largely because he's a deep thrower, but when you watch him play, you'll also see a ton of misfires, and it's not like he's had a shortage of weapons to throw to. He's found new and creative ways to overthrow 6-5 Calvin Johnson, which doesn't bode well for any future destination that lacks such a special talent. Does he command a team well? I would assume so given how long he's been a starter and the fact that he took a poor franchise from 0-16 to an 11-5 season within just a few years. However, I've also heard from people who have met him that he's a huge jerk. That sometimes DOES matter, even in a sport where just about everyone is a d*ck. Do the advanced statistics support him? Here's his DVOA rankings year to year: 2009: 41st 2010: 21st 2011: 10th 2012: 12th 2013: 15th 2014: 21st 2015: 22nd So the overall picture is that he's an average to above average QB and would indeed be worth trading for if available, BUT would you give up multiple first rounders to do so? I would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 No he sucks. i still can't believe the man-love this guy Stafford got on JI for years. I can tell some of his secret admirers are now in JN posting on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Beware of guys going backwards. I like Stafford to some extent, his arm and some of his play. But he has regressed. Also people are not exaggerating about the effect of Calvin Johnson. There have been a lot of plays the last few years where Stafford just heaves it up for grabs knowing that megatron is going to win the battle. In the end he is not good enough to justify the contract in imo so I pass. what a coincidence. Calvin Johnson gets old and is no longer the best WR by far in the NFL and Stafford regresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 No he sucks. i still can't believe the man-love this guy Stafford got on JI for years. I can tell some of his secret admirers are now in JN posting on this thread. Cutler was another one they loved as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzgod Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 The 2009 first round QB draft (Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman) was probably the second worst ever, traiiing only the one a few years earlier in which Janarcus Russell and Brady Quinn starred in round one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Cutler was another one they loved as well.. I like Cutler more than Stafford. I'd take Cutler on the Jets quite easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I like Cutler more than Stafford. I'd take Cutler on the Jets quite easily. You also like his contract?? http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 what a coincidence. Calvin Johnson gets old and is no longer the best WR by far in the NFL and Stafford regresses. Detroit might have the worst OL in the league right now. They can't run block or pass protect at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Detroit might have the worst OL in the league right now. They can't run block or pass protect at all QB's who can't make pre-snap adjustments have an impact on that too. Perfect circumstances just don't exist for any QB out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 QB's who can't make pre-snap adjustments have an impact on that too. Perfect circumstances just don't exist for any QB out there. that's true to an extent but you can make all the adjustments in the world and its not going to keep you from getting killed if your line can't block. Philip rivers knows a thing about making adjustments pre-snap and yet his line is a complete mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 that's true to an extent but you can make all the adjustments in the world and its not going to keep you from getting killed if your line can't block. Philip rivers knows a thing about making adjustments pre-snap and yet his line is a complete mess That's fair, and he's been productive this year despite all of that. But I think any weaknesses in his surrounding personnel have gotten offset for many years by the presence of Megatron, the best receiver since Randy Moss. I'd give up a 2nd rounder or maybe a late first to get Stafford, but it's hard to justify much more. For once we need to be able to draft our QB of the future. We missed out on Russell Wilson, Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr the last few years, none of which were early 1st rounders. Now, Bridgewater and Carr aren't necesarilly elite talents, but then again neither is Stafford. They're certainly guys you can build around, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 what do you like about stafford Established yet still young with a tremendous arm, has stayed relatively healthy with good statistical seasons behind him. Not a head case who still has upside. Might end up being the best option out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 You also like his contract?? http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/ I don't like the contracts of just about any of the top QB's and most of them are not worth it. As a QB I like Cutler better than most of the guys names tossed around re the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Established yet still young with a tremendous arm, has stayed relatively healthy with good statistical seasons behind him. Not a head case who still has upside. Might end up being the best option out there. What would you say his value is? And what would you be willing to give up to get him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I don't like the guy. 1. Never beaten a .500 team on the road 2. Gotten progressively worse with every season. 3. Terrible mechanics. Makes you wonder how his game would change in the event of another injury. A guy like drew Brees or peyton manning have their accuracy to fall back on. Lack of arm strength doesn't affect them too much, they can still get it done. Stafford' game is predicated on his arm strength. 4. Doesn't seem too inspiring as a leader. He was always surrounded by vets in Detroit, never had to develop into one. Our team will get younger in upcoming seasons, need a guy that can take charge and hold their attention. He is jay cutler with a more affable personality. In spite of all this, he might be the best (and most readily available) option. Fitz is a stop gap, and I don't consider geno as anything more than a backup. I could see him coming over, but they need to be stingy about it and not give up too much draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Detroit might have the worst OL in the league right now. They can't run block or pass protect at all do you want me to call the wabmbulance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Cutler was another one they loved as well.. yeah but Cutler for all his PMS is still a significantly better player than Stanford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Not sure if anyone has noticed, but cutler and bears have played pretty well this year. Considering all the injuries and the overall crappiness of the roster, they have held their own in most games and are punching above their weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Not sure if anyone has noticed, but cutler and bears have played pretty well this year. Considering all the injuries and the overall crappiness of the roster, they have held their own in most games and are punching above their weight cutler is having a little of a bounce back year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 yeah but Cutler for all his PMS is still a significantly better player than Stanford significantly in what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 significantly in what way? in every way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 in every way brilliant analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 $5M/season of that can only be charged to Detroit. To anyone else it would be $17M. ok terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Even Favre or 1998 Vinny?? Vinny, without a doubt, he never would have gotten the starting job. Forgot about Favre but with Stafford no one signs Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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