Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Hardline Jets take a page from Patriots' negotiating playbook GM Mike Maccagnan is not afraid to take a New England Patriots-like stance when it comes to the contracts of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Muhammad Wilkerson. Julio Cortez/AP Photo 5:47 AM CEST Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Pinterest Email print comment A look at what's happening around the New York Jets: 1. Methodical Mike: You may not agree with Mike Maccagnan's negotiating positions with regard to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Muhammad Wilkerson, but say this for the general manager: He's not afraid to take unpopular stances. One of his predecessors, Mike Tannenbaum, was known to make impulsive moves to capture fan and media approval. Some worked out, but he had some big-money misses. Maccagnan already has developed a reputation as a hard-line GM, with a philosophy that aligns close to -- dare I say it? -- the New England Patriots. The Patriots operate in cold-blooded fashion, removing the emotion from contract decisions. As a result, they've parted ways with many household names over the years, taking heat for some of those moves. But they keep winning. Of course, it helps to have the ultimate ace in the hole -- Tom Brady, whose presence allows Bill Belichick to play hardball with the rest of the roster. The Jets don't have anyone close to Brady, so Maccagnan's approach to Fitzpatrick and Wilkerson can best be described as double-edged. "Mike is in a position to make a statement to the players, to show them who's boss," said a former GM, commenting specifically on the Fitzpatrick dispute. "But if he caves and it goes south, the agent community will see it. It's a delicate situation." In 17 months as GM, Maccagnan has doled out only one bloated contract --Darrelle Revis, who received $39 million guaranteed. Clearly, that was an impulse buy. Since that blockbuster, he hasn't made any financially outrageous moves, sticking to his value board. He lives in a long-term world, which is great, but the honeymoon will end abruptly if the Jets are Fitz-less and stink it up this season. 2. Philly phanatics: The Philadelphia Eagles have made life difficult for the Jets (and a lot of other teams) with their over-the-top spending spree. Two signings, in particular, are impacting the Jets -- quarterback Sam Bradford (two years, $35 million) and defensive tackle Fletcher Cox (six-year extension, $103 million). Wilkerson wants Cox money and Fitzpatrick wants Bradford money, or close to it. The Jets may believe the deals are aberrations, but try telling that to the agents. 3. What's the Mo-tivation? Some people might be wondering what Wilkerson could gain by not reporting to training camp on July 27 -- assuming he doesn't get a new deal. It couldn't be a long-term contract because the deadline is July 15 for players with the franchise tag. So why stay away? A few reasons: He can avoid injury and rest his surgically repaired broken leg. He can try to create some agita for the Jets. He also can try to leverage them into agreeing to a no-tag clause for 2017; that could potentially be worth a lot of money. Technically, he could try to squeeze them for more money in 2016. By rule, he'd have to sign a one-year deal for the franchise tender ($15.7 million), but there's no rule that would prohibit him from asking for, say, performance bonuses. I'd be surprised if Wilkerson shows up on time. Remember, he can't be fined because he's not under contract, so there's no downside. He won't lose money unless his sits out games in the regular season, and that's unlikely. The last franchise-tagged player to do that was Walter Jones in 2002, according to NFL.com. 4. Geno & Co.: Geno Smith spent time earlier in the offseason throwing to the likes of Odell Beckham Jr., Antonio Brown and Jarvis Landry during informal workouts in South Florida -- not a bad receiving corps. "Just staying fresh in the offseason," Smith said. "Odell knows some of my boys, so we all hang out together. We talk football. A lot of South Florida guys, a lot of guys in this locker room come down." 5. Deion ready for prime time? One player to watch in training camp will be Deion Barnes, a former practice-squad player who has worked his way into the outside-linebacker mix. Barnes, who played defensive end at Penn State, made nice strides in the offseason and earned strong praise from his position coach. "In a year's time, he's probably the most improved young player at any position," Mark Collins said. At 6-foot-4, 255 pounds, Barnes has prototypical size for a 3-4 outside linebacker. He also plays with a nice burst on the edge. He was the Big Ten's Freshman of the Year in 2012, but like many players at Penn State, he probably was adversely affected by the off-the-field issues that crippled the program. Who knows? Maybe the Jets have uncovered an undrafted gem. 6. Dynamic duo: Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall combined for 189 catches, 2,529 yards and 26 touchdowns last season. What about an encore? "We'd like to have that encore and 20 percent more efficiency," wide receivers coach Karl Dorrell said. By that, Dorrell means better route running and fewer dropped passes. Marshall was fourth in the league with eight drops, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That's his yearly average, but we have to mention he was the NFL's most-targeted receiver over the last 10 years. Still, Dorrell believes Marshall can reduce the drops by fine-tuning his route running. The thinking is, if he can gain better separation, he can be a cleaner target for the quarterback. 7. Revis mum: Revis declined to discuss why he decided to part ways with longtime agents, Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod. Revis called it a "personal" decision. He still hasn't hired a new agent, according to the NFLPA website. 8. Brick a Giant? When reports surfaced about the New York Giants' interest in tackle Eugene Monroe, it triggered a thought: Could the Giants try to lure D'Brickashaw Ferguson out of retirement? After all, he's only 32 years old. The answer is no, he hasn't received a call from the Giants. Ferguson is intent on staying retired, I'm told. 9. Famous last words: This is a stressful time of the year for coaches. The offseason program is over, and the players are on their own for the next six weeks. Every coach fears the 4 a.m. phone call with the news that one of his players is in trouble. At the end of minicamp, Todd Bowles gave his players the obligatory "stay-out-of-trouble" speech, telling them, "Don't be that guy."Sheldon Richardson was that guy last summer, although the Jets didn't find out until two weeks after the fact. This time, he vows to have an uneventful summer break. 10. Rex being Rex: If the NFL handed out Lombardis for mythical offseason championships, Rex Ryan would need to build another trophy room and opposing coaches would be talking about not wanting to kiss his rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Vids on Marshall and Decker. Vids are in the link. 1.Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker on player salaries http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/brandon-marshall-eric-decker-on-player-salaries-1.11932149 2. Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall discuss their friendship http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/eric-decker-and-brandon-marshall-discuss-their-friendship-1.11932139 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Jets Mailbag: Will Geno Smith start? Darron Lee rookie impact? 14SHARES SHARE TWEET EMAIL By: Connor Hughes | 38 minutes ago It’s Sunday, which means it is once again time for another Jets mailbag. As is the case each week, we compile questions via Twitter submission, then answer them below. With minicamp having wrapped up this week, there’s a ton on the mind of Jets fans. Hopefully, Jets Wire can answer/ease some of those questions/concerns. So, what’s on tap? Will Geno Smith start for the Jets in 2016, how many games will Muhammad Wilkerson miss via holdout, will Jordan Jenkins or Darron Lee have a bigger impact as a rookie, and much, much more: 18 Jun Connor Hughes ✔@Connor_J_Hughes Send over your #Jets questions now for a Q&A mailbag Follow MileHighJetsFan @jetsfan29 @Connor_J_Hughes will geno start? 7:01 PM - 18 Jun 2016 Retweets 11 like HUGHES: I’ve continually said, over and over again, that eventually Ryan Fitzpatrick will re-sign with the Jets and return as the team’s starting quarterback. It just makes too much sense for both sides, and eventually, cooler heads would prevail with an appropriate contract that makes both sides happy. But now it’s June 19. And Fitzpatrick still isn’t signed. No one knows when he will be, or if he even will be. The certainty has now become nothing more than clouded doubt. At least for another couple of weeks, I’ll stick with my gut and say no, Smith won’t start this year as Fitzpatrick will return. 18 Jun Connor Hughes ✔@Connor_J_Hughes Send over your #Jets questions now for a Q&A mailbag Follow Rob Ng @robng88 @Connor_J_Hughes What’s the under & over on # of games Mo will miss due to holdout? My guess is 10. #Jets 5:13 PM - 18 Jun 2016 · Massachusetts, USA, United States Retweets 11 like HUGHES: Muhammad Wilkerson is not a dumb man. From an intelligence point of view, he’s up there among the smartest in the Jets’ locker room. There’s no way he misses 10 games. None. While this franchise tag isn’t the deal Wilkerson wants, it’s still $15.7 million for six months of work. He’ll hold out a week or two of training camp, continue to make his opinion known, then report before he loses more money than he makes this year. To answer your question directly? None. He won’t miss any games this year. 18 Jun Connor Hughes ✔@Connor_J_Hughes Send over your #Jets questions now for a Q&A mailbag Follow Alex @rufio_187 @Connor_J_Hughes Which Rookie will have a better Season Darron Lee or Jordan Jenkins ? projected tackles and sacks ? 4:54 PM - 18 Jun 2016 Retweets 11 like HUGHES: Here’s the thing about Darron Lee: There will be games this season where he is on the field for 95 percent of the plays. . . and games where he’ll be on the field for five percent of the plays. At this point in his career, he’s a situational player, not an every-down player. The Jets have two starting inside linebackers (David Harris, Erin Henderson). Where Lee will see the field is against teams that throw the ball a ton. But against run-heavy teams? He’s not gonna see the field absent passing situations. For that, I’ll say Jordan Jenkins has a bigger impact on the Jets because I think he’s going to be on the field more. He’s going to be the team’s starting outside linebacker, and if he displays an ability to rush the passer — which both he, and his positional coach, have said he can do — he may never come off the field. 18 Jun Connor Hughes ✔@Connor_J_Hughes Send over your #Jets questions now for a Q&A mailbag Follow Biff Sweeney @biffarujet @Connor_J_Hughes name 5 under the radar players who will step up & make an impact this season for the jets? 4:38 PM - 18 Jun 2016 Retweets 11 like HUGHES: I’ll give you five impact players, how about that? Safety Calvin Pryor, linebacker Lorenzo Mauldin, linebacker Erin Henderson, tight end Jace Amaro and linebacker Jordan Jenkins. 16 Jun Connor Hughes ✔@Connor_J_Hughes Doing an extended Q&A based off of minicamp. Send them over now.#Jets Follow D'Jovens P @Lvens19 @Connor_J_Hughes how likely does Jalin Marshall make the team? 7:33 PM - 16 Jun 2016 Retweets 11 like HUGHES: That fifth, sixth wide receiver spot is as open as any right now with a handful of guys fighting for it. Jalin Marshall has looked at home as a receiver, and shown value as a returner. If he can continue to display that throughout training camp and the preseason, absolutely he can make the team. But he’s going to have to show that dual value. He won’t make the roster as simply one or the other. Jets coach Todd Bowles has made it known, abundantly so, that he wants those roster-bubble players to be able to do more than just their depth chart position. That means special teams, and in Marshall’s case, returning. If Marshall shows value as a receiver, then the ability to return, too? He’ll make the team. Having watched him throughout OTAs and minicamp, I’d say there’s a very good chance that happens. *** Connor Hughes covers the Jets and is the managing editor of Jets Wire.He can be reached on Twitter (@Connor_J_Hughes), Instagram (@ConnorHughesNFL) or via email (chughes@usatoday.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick will play elsewhere in 2016 by Matthew Cava 19 hours ago Follow @cavaM_ TWEET SHARE x COMMENT The New York Jets will move on from quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick as he will end up playing elsewhere this upcoming season. In what we all thought would be a surefire move once the offseason began, has turned into stalemated talks for months. Quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick is still not a Jet, and the front office hasn’t budged from their offer – whatever that price may be. The fan in me wants him back, but to be bold: Fitzpatrick will be playing for another team in 2016. RELATED STORY: Todd Bowles handles Fitzpatrick situation well For months now, all that has been reported are back and forth rumblings of either Fitzpatrick not willing to accept the Jets’ offer, and the team not budging to meet his asking price. We’ve seen Fitzpatrick attend a New York Rangers playoff game withNick Mangold, Eric Decker, and Bryce Petty but that still wasn’t enough to have him see what he’s missing out on. Teammates like Brandon Marshall, and most recently Darrelle Revis, in an article written by Darin Gantt of NBC Sports have said “we want to see him walk in this locker room.” It’s no secret the players want him back – but at what cost to the team, Todd Bowles and his staff? With organized team activities over, mini-camp as well with training camp looming, Geno Smith‘s stock is rising while Fitzmagic’s act is getting stale. Last season before Geno was shelved with a broken jaw, he was the to-be starter for Week 1. And while Fitzpatrick wound up taking over for good, he was originally traded for with intention to be a backup. Now, it’s rather premature to judge Smith off of his few practices so far this year, but when you have Bowles giving him so much praise, one can tell he’s headed in the right direction. MORE FROM THE JET PRESS Breaking down the contracts of the future3h ago Joe Namath is at it again22h ago Early fantasy football predictions for Geno Smith1 d ago Is it time to give up on Devin Smith?1 d ago An extremely early final roster prediction2d ago It’s hard not to get a sense of comfort if he is going to be the Jets’ starting quarterback. The offense in front of him is also ‘light years ahead’ of the rather abysmal cast he had in 2014. The only damaging piece left to Smith’s progression is the constant talk of Fitzpatrick. No doubt this season will likely be make or break for Smith, but it also has potential to be a breakout year for him thanks to the top talent around him. To solidify Fitzpatrick playing elsewhere in 2016, it also has to have backing in other areas. The contract saga will drag out through training camp, where Smith will excel. We may even see Fitzpatrick team-less into the pre-season. At that point, the Jets will openly announce they have moved on. From there, Fitzpatrick will find himself on his couch every Sunday, until a team comes calling with a quarterback injury. Teams like the Dallas Cowboys with Tony Romo, Cleveland Browns with RGIII, or get this – Rex Ryan’s Buffalo Bills with Tyrod Taylor. And here’s the kicker: Fitzpatrick will spitefully jump on the first offer, no matter the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Google Email Copy SPORTS Is Geno for real? Leonard Williams’ leap: 5 Jets takeaways By Brian Costello June 18, 2016 | 5:43pm Modal Trigger Geno Smith and Leonard WilliamsPhoto: Bill Kostroun; AP MORE ON: NEW YORK JETS Eric Decker on Father's Day, changing diapers and letting son play football Jets take flier on fumbling WR Giants will always love Jets' dangerous contract game can fester -- and blow up in their face How the 'old guys' have become Christian Hackenberg's lifeline The Jets’ offseason has been dominated by who is not with the team rather than who is. Free agent quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick and unhappy defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson were the hot topics this spring, as neither one was on the field for the Jets. The players’ absence, particularly Fitzpatrick’s, hung like a cloud over everything the Jets did this spring. But there were other guys on the field for OTAs and last week’s minicamp. Here are some takeaways after watching those practices: Gen-oh Geno Smith took all of the first-team reps with Fitzpatrick still on his couch waiting for a contract. Smith looked good in most of the practices open to the media. There were a few hiccups — most notably an interception to 310-pound nose tackle Steve McLendon — but overall the coaches had to be encouraged by what they saw from Smith. Of course, this is the time of year Smith usually looks good. He has a great arm that can wow you during these non-contact practices that look mostly like a passing camp. The true test to see if Smith has improved will come in preseason games, particularly if Fitzpatrick does not sign, and Smith is going against starters. Big Cat prowling Second-year defensive lineman Leonard Williams looks ready for a breakout season. Williams was dominant at times in practice. It is hard to evaluate linemen when practice is non-contact and no pads are on, but Williams just looks more sure of himself. That led to him playing fast. He was constantly in the backfield, blowing up plays. The defensive line could be scary with Sheldon Richardson, Wilkerson and an improved Williams. No speed limit Modal Trigger Darron LeePhoto: Bill Kostroun Coach Todd Bowles stated that he wanted to get faster in 2016, and the Jets look like they are on defense. Rookie linebacker Darron Lee can fly. He is going to be a tremendous blitzer for the Jets. They also are faster at outside linebacker, with Lorenzo Mauldin and Jordan Jenkins looking like the favorites to be starting there. Lee gives the Jets a dimension they have been lacking in recent years. Demario Davis was strong against the run, but struggled in coverage. Lee should help in that department, then Bowles can let him loose on blitzes from all different angles. Tight end sighting The tight end was the forgotten position on the Jets last season. As a group, the tight ends had just eight total catches all season. By comparison, Rob Gronkowski had 11 catches in the Patriots’ first game against the Jets last season. Jace Amaro missed all of last season after shoulder surgery in August. He has been back on the field this spring and has made some plays. Amaro is going to be one of the more interesting players to watch in training camp. The coaches were not very high on him last year before he was injured. Now, can he find a role? He is the best pass catcher of the group but struggled with his blocking as a rookie in 2014. Kellen Davis spent most of the spring sidelined after thumb surgery. Davis wound up being the team’s primary tight end last year, but was used primarily as a blocker. Health watch The Jets are pretty healthy heading into training camp. Wide receiver Devin Smith (ACL) and Wilkerson (broken leg) will be the ones to watch — that is, if Wilkerson does show up. The most encouraging health developments were how left tackle Ryan Clady and cornerback Darrelle Revis progressed as the spring went on. Clady is coming off ACL surgery last spring. He was able to get a lot of reps this spring, which was a bit surprising. The Jets started him off slow, but he felt good enough to take team reps. Clady’s health is a key piece of the Jets’ puzzle this year. Revis had wrist surgery in March and was not expected to do anything until training camp, but he started working in individual drills during minicamp. That is a positive sign and an indication that he should be a full participant when training camp gets here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Throwback Photo: Stevan Ridley practices for first time with Jets 4SHARES SHARE TWEET EMAIL By: Connor Hughes | 35 minutes ago When Stevan Ridley signed with the Jets during the offseason of 2015, he was viewed as a player that could make a difference in the running game. After all, Ridley was just a couple of seasons removed from a 1,200-yard year with the Patriots, and there wasn’t much in terms of depth on New York’s roster. But. . . Ridley was coming off a horrific knee injury. And that knee injury kept Ridley from getting on the field. Ridley started the year on the PUP list, then when he worked himself back into the rotation, made little, if any, impact. Ridley rushed just 36 times for 90 yards in 2015. His average of 2.5 yards per carry was the lowest of his five-year career. The photo above was taken the day Ridley returned to the field for the first time. *** Connor Hughes covers the Jets and is the managing editor of Jets Wire.He can be reached on Twitter (@Connor_J_Hughes), Instagram (@ConnorHughesNFL) or via email (chughes@usatoday.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Coach Todd Bowles is calm and cool while Jets face adversity ADVERTISEMENT | ADVERTISE ON NEWSDAY FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — The narrative dominating the Jets’ offseason has centered almost exclusively on the two players who haven’t stepped foot on the practice field because of contentious contract negotiations. Quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick or defensive end Mo Wilkerson, take your pick. Both remain unsigned, and the likelihood is high that neither will be in uniform when the Jets open training camp the final week of July. But for the man who must figure out a way to potentially live without either player on his roster, at least for the time being, there is a serenity about coach Todd Bowles’ countenance that belies the smoldering controversy that continues to linger. There is little that can rattle the soft-spoken coach, and the team’s twin contractual dilemmas barely registers on his list of things to obsess over. Latest Jets stories 5 things we learned from Jets’ minicamp Ride along on Marshall’s grueling season preparation Jets: No family night at Hofstra this year Wilkerson thinks he’s deserving of big raise Glauber: Wilkerson, Jets are both right “I’ve been on teams where we’re waiting for our star player to come back, and then he gets hurt and we lose him for the rest of the year,” said the Jets’ second-year head coach, a veteran of eight NFL seasons as a player and 19 years as a college or pro coach. “It’s just next man up, and you have to find different ways to win.” It’s not as if Bowles hasn’t already experienced the unexpected in his brief run with the Jets. Last year, he dealt not only with Pro Bowl defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson’s four-game suspension for marijuana use, but with Richardson’s arrest for driving 143 miles per hour and resisting arrest during an incident near his hometown outside St. Louis. Later in training camp, he lost presumptive starter Geno Smith after the quarterback was punched in the jaw by linebacker IK Enemkpali in the locker room. But in a masterful display of remaining calm in the face of what appeared to be a season-changing development and potential locker-room meltdown, Bowles turned to Fitzpatrick as his starter and the Jets went 10-6. There was not a hint of team chemistry disruption. JetsJets: No family night at Hofstra this year And with the uncertainty of Fitzpatrick’s and Wilkerson’s contract stalemates now threatening his team’s prospects heading into a season that features a vastly more difficult schedule than last year, Bowles’ demeanor is unflappable, not flustered. ADVERTISEMENT | ADVERTISE ON NEWSDAY “If you have to tweak things, you tweak ’em, but it still comes down to coaching and the players on the field playing, no matter how important the position,” Bowles said. “If Brandon [Marshall] gets hurt, if [Eric] Decker gets hurt, we still got to go out and play on Sunday. You have to figure out ways to win, and that’s all I’m trying to do.” Though Bowles’ head coaching career is still in its infancy, his unique combination of football intellect and his cool, calm and collected demeanor augurs well for what I expect will be a long and productive tenure in New York. It doesn’t mean he’ll be able to overcome the very real threats of not having two of his best players to begin a tough schedule, nor does it mean that the team as currently constituted will be going on a Super Bowl run in the next two or three years. But there is a deep-rootedness to Bowles’ personality, a confidence borne of his playing and coaching experiences under Hall of Famers such as Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs, as well as Bruce Arians. Hall of Fame general manager Ron Wolf, who was involved in the hiring process that eventually landed Bowles with the Jets, swears by the coach, calling him one of the best head coaching prospects he’s ever come across. Bowles doesn’t draw attention to himself like many coaches, particularly his predecessor with the Jets. But that’s a good thing, because Rex Ryan became too much about himself after a promising start with back-to-back AFC Championship Game appearances. Bowles is much more of an old soul who has the temperament to last in a market that routinely proves too difficult for coaches to survive very long. JetsRide along on Marshall’s grueling season preparation Here’s how Bowles approaches his role as a coach in a league and a city where distractions are commonplace and often become overwhelming. It is a few minutes after a mini-camp practice last Tuesday, and Bowles, sitting on a table just outside the team’s cafeteria, joins his hands together and forms a tight circle with his fingers, leaving an opening of about six inches or so. “This is football,” he says of the inside of the circle. “Everything else outside of this, you talk about it and let it go.” He recalled the controversy surrounding Smith as an example. “That wasn’t football,” he said. “It was an incident that happened at the football facility, but you still had to move on and let it go after that.” The roles of Smith and Fitzpatrick may well be reversed this year, with Smith serving as the No. 1 quarterback until — or unless — Fitzpatrick can come to terms on a contract. He understands Smith going into the season as the starter won’t be a popular choice among many, if not most, Jets fans. New York Jets head coach Todd Bowles talks to the media during mini camp at the Jets Training Facility on Thursday June 16, 2016. Photo Credit: Andrew Theodorakis / Andrew Theodorakis “Popularity comes with winning,” Bowles said. “At the end of the day, it’s not a beauty pageant. [Smith] is not going to walk out there and get applause for singing or anything like that. He gets judged the way he plays football, and football takes care of itself. You have to go into enemy territory sometimes, and sometimes your home crowd boos you. That’s just part of the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 RE: The philly contracts, I never bought the idea that "these contracts are an aberration." Like if Philly gives Cox a bunch of money, they screwed the Jets with MO. Like teams can just ignore the contracts they don't like. No you billionaire son of a bitch, that's called the free market. Remember that? The concept billionaires love and subscribe to at every opportunity? When my wife goes to the store and buys a $40 handbag with a $300 price tag, she claims to have saved $260 dollars. No, you didn't darling. You bought a $40 handbag. Today, it's was worth $40 dollars. You know how I know? BECAUSE OF THE FREE MARKET. When they are setting wages for their factory workers, the only thing that matters is the free market. When they were looking to sell PSLs in 2008 they take the measure of the free market, and priced them on what the market will bear. But Mo Wilkerson wants what Fletcher Cox made and all of a sudden the free market doesn't apply. Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 21 minutes ago, bitonti said: RE: The philly contracts, I never bought the idea that "these contracts are an aberration." Like if Philly gives Cox a bunch of money, they screwed the Jets with MO. Like teams can just ignore the contracts they don't like. No you billionaire son of a bitch, that's called the free market. Remember that? The concept billionaires love and subscribe to at every opportunity? When my wife goes to the store and buys a $40 handbag with a $300 price tag, she claims to have saved $260 dollars. No, you didn't darling. You bought a $40 handbag. Today, it's was worth $40 dollars. You know how I know? BECAUSE OF THE FREE MARKET. When they are setting wages for their factory workers, the only thing that matters is the free market. When they were looking to sell PSLs in 2008 they take the measure of the free market, and priced them on what the market will bear. But Mo Wilkerson wants what Fletcher Cox made and all of a sudden the free market doesn't apply. Yeah, right. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 When my wife goes to the store and buys a $40 handbag with a $300 price tag, she claims to have saved $260 dollars. No, you didn't darling. You bought a $40 handbag. Today, it's was worth $40 dollars. You know how I know? BECAUSE OF THE FREE MARKET. Every 5-10 years bit comes up with a great post, and this is one of them. This analogy perfectly describes what "free market" means, and the NFL is no different. bit, call my wife and explain this to her. Every time she goes shopping, she is always quick to say "honey, look how much money I saved today". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesumtenor Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 On 6/19/2016 at 2:32 PM, bitonti said: RE: The philly contracts, I never bought the idea that "these contracts are an aberration." Like if Philly gives Cox a bunch of money, they screwed the Jets with MO. Like teams can just ignore the contracts they don't like. No you billionaire son of a bitch, that's called the free market. Remember that? The concept billionaires love and subscribe to at every opportunity? When my wife goes to the store and buys a $40 handbag with a $300 price tag, she claims to have saved $260 dollars. No, you didn't darling. You bought a $40 handbag. Today, it's was worth $40 dollars. You know how I know? BECAUSE OF THE FREE MARKET. When they are setting wages for their factory workers, the only thing that matters is the free market. When they were looking to sell PSLs in 2008 they take the measure of the free market, and priced them on what the market will bear. But Mo Wilkerson wants what Fletcher Cox made and all of a sudden the free market doesn't apply. Yeah, right. So...this means Fitz is worth the Jet's offer or nothing at all given no other team even made an offer...and the Broncos chose to trade a pick for Mark Sanchez rather than make an offer to Fitz who is a free agent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, Awesumtenor said: So...this means Fitz is worth the Jet's offer or nothing at all given no other team even made an offer...and the Broncos chose to trade a pick for Mark Sanchez rather than make an offer to Fitz who is a free agent... Just check major media outlets back in March after Denver traded for Mark. Like the NY Post, PFT and Schefter. They all said Denver wanted to sign Fitz but their offer reported at 1-7 was too low. And of course that was months ago and was assumed that he would eventually sign with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 18 hours ago, Rangers9 said: Just check major media outlets back in March after Denver traded for Mark. Like the NY Post, PFT and Schefter. They all said Denver wanted to sign Fitz but their offer reported at 1-7 was too low. And of course that was months ago and was assumed that he would eventually sign with us. Den was looking at Fitz but who would pay Fitz what he wants when they can acquire a better QB for a late rd pick and low salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Just now, nyjunc said: Den was looking at Fitz but who would pay Fitz what he wants when they can acquire a better QB for a late rd pick and low salary? They already had acquired Mark. This was after the trade. At that time Fitz was confident he would re-sign with us. I'm not so confident now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Rangers9 said: They already had acquired Mark. This was after the trade. At that time Fitz was confident he would re-sign with us. I'm not so confident now. they wanted another QB to compete w/ mark whether a vet or draft a guy. they saw how much $ Fitz wanted, laughed, and then drafted a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, nyjunc said: they wanted another QB to compete w/ mark whether a vet or draft a guy. they saw how much $ Fitz wanted, laughed, and then drafted a guy. I don't know what Fitz was asking for at the beginning of negotiations. There were all kinds of rumors nothing substantiated. Like he asked for Osweiler money because his agent was O's agent. Reporters played connect the dots: if O got that money then that means his agent wanted the same money for Fitz. Hard to believe he was that unreasonable but at the top of negotiations you always start with a big figure. At that time in March I believe Fitz felt he was definitely coming back to the Jets. That they could work it out. But it's not looking that way now even though most experts think he will sign. The guy they drafted btw Lynch had the biggest arm of all Qbs in the draft. They might have selected him anyways because they only offered Fitz a one year deal. Of course the Jets could have traded for Mark Sanchez if they wanted him back but they don't want him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 On 6/19/2016 at 1:21 PM, Villain The Foe said: Throwback Photo: Stevan Ridley practices for first time with Jets 4SHARES SHARE TWEET EMAIL By: Connor Hughes | 35 minutes ago When Stevan Ridley signed with the Jets during the offseason of 2015, he was viewed as a player that could make a difference in the running game. After all, Ridley was just a couple of seasons removed from a 1,200-yard year with the Patriots, and there wasn’t much in terms of depth on New York’s roster. But. . . Ridley was coming off a horrific knee injury. And that knee injury kept Ridley from getting on the field. Ridley started the year on the PUP list, then when he worked himself back into the rotation, made little, if any, impact. Ridley rushed just 36 times for 90 yards in 2015. His average of 2.5 yards per carry was the lowest of his five-year career. The photo above was taken the day Ridley returned to the field for the first time. *** Connor Hughes covers the Jets and is the managing editor of Jets Wire.He can be reached on Twitter (@Connor_J_Hughes), Instagram (@ConnorHughesNFL) or via email (chughes@usatoday.com) Quite possibly one of the worst signings ever. With the Jets that is saying a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 On 6/19/2016 at 2:32 PM, bitonti said: RE: The philly contracts, I never bought the idea that "these contracts are an aberration." Like if Philly gives Cox a bunch of money, they screwed the Jets with MO. Like teams can just ignore the contracts they don't like. No you billionaire son of a bitch, that's called the free market. Remember that? The concept billionaires love and subscribe to at every opportunity? When my wife goes to the store and buys a $40 handbag with a $300 price tag, she claims to have saved $260 dollars. No, you didn't darling. You bought a $40 handbag. Today, it's was worth $40 dollars. You know how I know? BECAUSE OF THE FREE MARKET. When they are setting wages for their factory workers, the only thing that matters is the free market. When they were looking to sell PSLs in 2008 they take the measure of the free market, and priced them on what the market will bear. But Mo Wilkerson wants what Fletcher Cox made and all of a sudden the free market doesn't apply. Yeah, right. The free market always applies, but Cox's salary has not set the market unless others follow along. If someone buys a $500k house for $1 million, they have not set the market when nobody else is willing to pay that, they have just overpaid. Until somone else starts throwing around Cox money, it remains an aberration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Quote I'd be surprised if Wilkerson shows up on time. Remember, he can't be fined because he's not under contract, so there's no downside. He won't lose money unless his sits out games in the regular season, and that's unlikely. The last franchise-tagged player to do that was Walter Jones in 2002, according to NFL.com. It's been a while, but part of the reason was the extended RFA tag prior to the (then) new CBA getting agreed upon. Vincent Jackson held out but it was only under the restricted tag, and was further complicated by a looming suspension. On the flip side, Von Miller last week said there's "no way" he'll play under the franchise tag. A little different in his situation, as he's tagged for a couple million less than Mo, and would command a bigger contract as well. If he wasn't given the exclusive rights franchise tag someone would have coughed up a pair of #1s for him (and given the tag, Denver was worried about it as well). Mo was given the regular franchise tag and it would seem no one offered up a single, late #1 pick since that was Maccagnan's publicly-stated line in the sand. I wonder if Miller's actions influence Mo's (whether he signs or sits out). Even though (if both were untagged FAs) Miller would get a contract a good amount higher than Mo, the deal someone would offer Mo would still be sizable and might end up as - until inflation awards the next guy due - the 2nd-highest non-QB contract after Miller's. Does anyone know what happens next year if they sit out those first 10 games (to accrue the season) and are tagged again next year? Next year should be the franchise amount OR a 120% raise over the prior season. If sitting out he'll get about $6M not $16M, so a 120% raise would be barely over $7M. So would next year's amount would be the first-time DE tag or 120% of $16M? Would it be based on how much he was originally tagged at, or the amount he actually made? My guess is the latter but honestly I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Rangers9 said: I don't know what Fitz was asking for at the beginning of negotiations. There were all kinds of rumors nothing substantiated. Like he asked for Osweiler money because his agent was O's agent. Reporters played connect the dots: if O got that money then that means his agent wanted the same money for Fitz. Hard to believe he was that unreasonable but at the top of negotiations you always start with a big figure. At that time in March I believe Fitz felt he was definitely coming back to the Jets. That they could work it out. But it's not looking that way now even though most experts think he will sign. The guy they drafted btw Lynch had the biggest arm of all Qbs in the draft. They might have selected him anyways because they only offered Fitz a one year deal. Of course the Jets could have traded for Mark Sanchez if they wanted him back but they don't want him back. he didn't deserve Osweiler money, Osweiler is still a young, unknown QB so teams will take a chance. teams know what Fitz is. the Jets make moves based on fan reaction and mark wouldn't be popular here but he's better than Fitz and Denver has a MUCH better QB situation than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: he didn't deserve Osweiler money, Osweiler is still a young, unknown QB so teams will take a chance. teams know what Fitz is. the Jets make moves based on fan reaction and mark wouldn't be popular here but he's better than Fitz and Denver has a MUCH better QB situation than we do. Look, no kidding that Fitz isn't worth O money. Neither is O after only 7 starts and he wasn't considered an elite prospect coming out of ASU. Elway wouldn't pay him that amount. In my opinion Houston doesn't really know what they're doing. We don't really know what Fitz asked for. That number drove Fitz haters up the wall. Because it's so unreasonable. I feel 1-12 is fair considering he outplayed his contract and was underpaid but no doubt he will have to take less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 i like the idea of someone doing this every day for all the jets articles....good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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