Parcells Quote

[#27TheDominator]

Excuses, excuses.  One is fat, the other ill tempered and a horrible dresser.  They can both go **** themselves!

[nyjunc]

now we care about whether coaches are fat or good dressers?

[Savage69]

15 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Excuses, excuses.  One is fat, the other ill tempered and a horrible dresser.  They can both go **** themselves!

And both are HOF coaches..

[#27TheDominator]

17 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

now we care about whether coaches are fat or good dressers?

 

4 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

And both are HOF coaches..

Exactly.  They are not ours and we are fans.  These are not guys that I root for, they are rich entitled douchebags.  **** 'em both in the eye. 

[Savage69]

2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

 

Exactly.  They are not ours and we are fans.  These are not guys that I root for, they are rich entitled douchebags.  **** 'em both in the eye. 

Left right or Red??

[JetFaninMI]

23 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

There's no proof the HC, a HOF HC , had anything to do with the SB.  Lol, ass backwards logic along with BB won later and somehow that's relevant to be a coordinator to a HC.

Best part is no one is disparaging Belichick.  The argument that Belichick is a good HC means Parcells wasn't is brain dead stupid.  Was Lombardi a sh*tty HC?   Landry and other HOF hCs on his staff too. 

I'm not saying Parcells was a bad coach. He was an above average coach. I'm just saying Belichek is a better HC. He has the pedigree and rings too prove it. Parcells pales in comparison.

[JetFaninMI]

9 hours ago, nyjunc said:

where did I say he had him for 2 years? he was 5-13 w/ Bledsoe then Brady takes over w/ same team and goes 11-3 en route to SB.

he was 10-5 w/ Cassell as the starter a year after the team went UNDEFEATED and the 2008 schedule was MUCH weaker. by the way, Matt Cassell won a div title w/ KC 2 years later.  It's interesting, Kosar w/o BB had 3 title game apps and no POs w/ him, Vinny had a title game app and div title w/o him and a wc berth and div rd app w/ him, Cassell no POs w/ him and div title w/o him, Bledsoe 5-13 w/ him, SB trip w/o him.  Very interesting.

there's no debate about Cleveland, he did a terrible job. he had 4 losing seasons in 5 years and was fired. 

 

 

the FG Buffalo was missed was 47 yards on grass, it was anything but a chip shot and his gameplan to control the clock kept the high powered Bills off the field which won that SB.

all successful coaches have huge egos.

Marty was a great coach who couldn't get over the hump, BP made SBs w/ Simms, Hosteler and Drew Bledsoe.  BB has never even made a title game w/ anyone other than the greatest QB of all time. w/o Brady emerging we aren't having this discussion today b/c BB would be a DC somewhere.

After Belichek left neither could Parcells. A 47 yarder was a chip shot for Norwood who was a pretty good kicker. You know what it really doesn't matter. The bottom line is simply this: Belichek has 5 rings and if you add in the two with Parcells that makes 7. Parcells with Belichek 2. Parcells without Belichek 0. A BIG FAT 0. Parcells career record: 19 years 172w 130 L 1 Tie 2 Super Bowl Rings. Belichek: 22 years 237 Wins 115 Losses 5 Super Bowl rings. Done. End of Story. See ya. In case you can't count that's 65 more wins and 15 less  loses. That's just regular season. I was wondering why you didn't post these career records. Now I know. It's not even close. Now post some more bullspit stats and some other bullspit about who the QB was or how bad Belichek was with the Browns. Even with those seasons he blows Parcells out of the water. Face it not only does he have more rings but blows him away in the win-loss dept. Now post that win-loss record doesn't matter either.

[T0mShane]

A team that had to subcontract its coaching search just to be able to lure career bridesmaid Todd Bowles to even interview with them has a fan base that dislikes Bill Parcells' contribution to said team. Team that had to pay Charlie Casserly big bucks to recruit a no-name Texans scout to come be its GM has a fan base that's upset Bill Parcells gave Hall of Fame RB Curtis Martin a lot of gelt. 

[BRONX DUDE]

On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 2:26 PM, nyjunc said:

Parcells wasn't HC when the Giants got LT and Groh drafted Abraham.  Parcells shipped our our best pass rusher after year 1 in Hugh Douglas.

 

Yes the Hugh Douglas move was awful. He did great things playing defense for the Eagles..  Many sacks.

[Bugg]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

A team that had to subcontract its coaching search just to be able to lure career bridesmaid Todd Bowles to even interview with them has a fan base that dislikes Bill Parcells' contribution to said team. Team that had to pay Charlie Casserly big bucks to recruit a no-name Texans scout to come be its GM has a fan base that's upset Bill Parcells gave Hall of Fame RB Curtis Martin a lot of gelt. 

In his later years, Martin was in fact a complier. In his biggest game, the AFC title gam in Denver, he was awful. And for a dumb coach like Edwards, slavishly handing him the ball 30+ every game was an easy dodge fROm having a real offense.

But  the Martin signing was key in an era when a primo RB still mattered.   

To think we have hired 3 coaches since who readily said they had nothing much to do with the offense. It's a disgrace what has happened since. Have an open mind that Maccagnan may know what he is doing. But Bowles is like Ryan and Edwards before him and Idiot Johnson apparently has learned nothing from those experiences.

[devland]

15 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Excuses, excuses.  One is fat, the other ill tempered and a horrible dresser.  They can both go **** themselves!

Only one was a horrible dresser?  You could argue that it is impossible to be fat and a good dresser.

[nyjunc]

14 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

After Belichek left neither could Parcells. A 47 yarder was a chip shot for Norwood who was a pretty good kicker. You know what it really doesn't matter. The bottom line is simply this: Belichek has 5 rings and if you add in the two with Parcells that makes 7. Parcells with Belichek 2. Parcells without Belichek 0. A BIG FAT 0. Parcells career record: 19 years 172w 130 L 1 Tie 2 Super Bowl Rings. Belichek: 22 years 237 Wins 115 Losses 5 Super Bowl rings. Done. End of Story. See ya. In case you can't count that's 65 more wins and 15 less  loses. That's just regular season. I was wondering why you didn't post these career records. Now I know. It's not even close. Now post some more bullspit stats and some other bullspit about who the QB was or how bad Belichek was with the Browns. Even with those seasons he blows Parcells out of the water. Face it not only does he have more rings but blows him away in the win-loss dept. Now post that win-loss record doesn't matter either.

a 47 yard K was not a chip shot for any K especially on grass(for a turf K) w/ the SB on the line. at that point in his career the longest FG he made on grass was 41 yards.

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 during the previous five years leading up to Super Bowl XXV, kickers missed more than half of their attempts from 47 yards on grass. 

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To that point, he was 8-of-17 in his career on grass, with most of those good kicks coming from short range. He had attempted just one field goal of 40-plus yards on grass in the prior two seasons—a 42-yard miss in Cleveland—and was 1-of-5 in his career under those circumstances. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607652-wide-right-25-years-later-a-super-bowl-so-much-larger-than-just-scott-norwood

 

BB w/o LT or Brady: ZERO

Parcells never had a Brady, he made a SB w/ a career stiff like Drew Bledsoe.  he made a title game w/ Vinny who BB had and couldn't get close to a title game.

 

the bottom line is BB is a total failure as a HC w.o Tom Brady, Parcells succeeded no matter where he went and w/ a ton of different QBs.

 

[nyjunc]

10 hours ago, Bugg said:

In his later years, Martin was in fact a complier. In his biggest game, the AFC title gam in Denver, he was awful. And for a dumb coach like Edwards, slavishly handing him the ball 30+ every game was an easy dodge fROm having a real offense.

But  the Martin signing was key in an era when a primo RB still mattered.   

To think we have hired 3 coaches since who readily said they had nothing much to do with the offense. It's a disgrace what has happened since. Have an open mind that Maccagnan may know what he is doing. But Bowles is like Ryan and Edwards before him and Idiot Johnson apparently has learned nothing from those experiences.

to be fair to Curtis, Den's DL dominated our OL.  every time he touched the ball he was smothered by the time he got to the line.  even on the TD plunge he barely made it in from a yard out.

Parcells used Curtis more than Herm did by the way.

[JetFaninMI]

28 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

a 47 yard K was not a chip shot for any K especially on grass(for a turf K) w/ the SB on the line. at that point in his career the longest FG he made on grass was 41 yards.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607652-wide-right-25-years-later-a-super-bowl-so-much-larger-than-just-scott-norwood

 

BB w/o LT or Brady: ZERO

Parcells never had a Brady, he made a SB w/ a career stiff like Drew Bledsoe.  he made a title game w/ Vinny who BB had and couldn't get close to a title game.

 

the bottom line is BB is a total failure as a HC w.o Tom Brady, Parcells succeeded no matter where he went and w/ a ton of different QBs.

 

You are just so wrong. PARCELLS DRAFTED THE GUY YOU CALL A STIFF. He drafted Bledsoe. He wanted Bledsoe. He was wrong on Bledsoe. You give credit to Parcells for winning with what you claim are just average players but fail to see he put these teams together. He also NEVER FINISHED THE JOB including his tenure with the Jets. He skipped out when it got bad or his personnel decisions did not work out.

Belichek drafted Brady. You have no idea what they thought when they drafted him but claim you do. He was saddled with the stiff(your words) that Parcells drafted. You ignore things like won-loss record, # of Championships, and facts for your opinions. The bottom line is truly this: Belichek has your boy Parcells beat on so many levels it is sad. Better Record(BY FAR), Better Personnel Decisions,More Championships, and he will probably be remembered(MAN THIS KILLS ME TO WRITE THIS CRAP) as the Greatest or one of the Greatest of all time. Parcells ain't even close. Parcells has no business even to be mentioned in the same sentence as Belichek but to say He was smart enough to hire him.

As far as Norwood goes whatever. Parcells was so lucky to have won that Super Bowl. If wide right was dead center Parcells is a one hit wonder and would have gone gently into that goodnight. A product of the NY hype machine that would have been just an average or above average coach.  Time to face the facts friend. Parcells was a good coach who was lucky enough to have hired a great (yuck) one.

 P.S. I hated defending Belichek but refuse to worship at the altar some do just because some feel we are lucky enough to have this guy coach this team. Stop being spoonfed the bullspit that talking heads have pounded into your heads.

[nyjunc]

8 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

You are just so wrong. PARCELLS DRAFTED THE GUY YOU CALL A STIFF. He drafted Bledsoe. He wanted Bledsoe. He was wrong on Bledsoe. You give credit to Parcells for winning with what you claim are just average players but fail to see he put these teams together. He also NEVER FINISHED THE JOB including his tenure with the Jets. He skipped out when it got bad or his personnel decisions did not work out.

Belichek drafted Brady. You have no idea what they thought when they drafted him but claim you do. He was saddled with the stiff(your words) that Parcells drafted. You ignore things like won-loss record, # of Championships, and facts for your opinions. The bottom line is truly this: Belichek has your boy Parcells beat on so many levels it is sad. Better Record(BY FAR), Better Personnel Decisions,More Championships, and he will probably be remembered(MAN THIS KILLS ME TO WRITE THIS CRAP) as the Greatest or one of the Greatest of all time. Parcells ain't even close. Parcells has no business even to be mentioned in the same sentence as Belichek but to say He was smart enough to hire him.

As far as Norwood goes whatever. Parcells was so lucky to have won that Super Bowl. If wide right was dead center Parcells is a one hit wonder and would have gone gently into that goodnight. A product of the NY hype machine that would have been just an average or above average coach.  Tinme to face the friend. Parcells was a good coach who was lucky enough to have hired a great (yuck) one.

 P.S. I hated defending Belichek but refuse to worship at the altar some do just because some feel we are lucky enough to have this guy coach this team. Stop being spoonfed the bullspit that talking heads have pounded into your heads.

so what? parcells wasn't a great GB he was a gtreat coach.  Bledsoe was a mediocre QB and made a SB with him- the fgerat Bill Belichick(w/ SB talent around him) wnet 5-11 w/ Bledsoe.

he drafted him in the 6th rd, if he thought he could be an all time great do you think he waits for round 6?  he was drafted to HOPEFULLY be a solid backup one day and he was so convinced after year 1 that he gave Bledsoe $100 after a 5-11 season.

Parcells won that SB b/c his offense held the ball for 40 minutes, the D was torn apart in their brief time on the field.

[T0mShane]

40 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

a 47 yard K was not a chip shot for any K especially on grass(for a turf K) w/ the SB on the line. at that point in his career the longest FG he made on grass was 41 yards.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607652-wide-right-25-years-later-a-super-bowl-so-much-larger-than-just-scott-norwood

 

BB w/o LT or Brady: ZERO

Parcells never had a Brady, he made a SB w/ a career stiff like Drew Bledsoe.  he made a title game w/ Vinny who BB had and couldn't get close to a title game.

 

the bottom line is BB is a total failure as a HC w.o Tom Brady, Parcells succeeded no matter where he went and w/ a ton of different QBs.

 

Nyjunc is slaughtering you clowns in here. Come take your beatings like men.

[JetFaninMI]

7 hours ago, nyjunc said:

so what? parcells wasn't a great GB he was a gtreat coach.  Bledsoe was a mediocre QB and made a SB with him- the fgerat Bill Belichick(w/ SB talent around him) wnet 5-11 w/ Bledsoe.

he drafted him in the 6th rd, if he thought he could be an all time great do you think he waits for round 6?  he was drafted to HOPEFULLY be a solid backup one day and he was so convinced after year 1 that he gave Bledsoe $100 after a 5-11 season.

Parcells won that SB b/c his offense held the ball for 40 minutes, the D was torn apart in their brief time on the field.

Now Parcells is an offensive genius as well. You keep citing the same drivel all over again. Belichek has Parcells beat in every category yet you still say he is the man. So wrong. Face it friend you just don't get it and never will. Go polish Parcells 2 Super Bowl rings. Belichek has 5. 7 if you count the 2 Parcelss shirt-tailed him on.

[#27TheDominator]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Nyjunc is slaughtering you clowns in here. Come take your beatings like men.

It gets tiresome defending that shabby chic cheat.  Anybody that is not delusional can see that Parcells has never achieved anything in his career without Lil' Bill by his side.  Without Belichick on the sidelines Parcells never won a division, never won a playoff game and has a losing record.  On his own he is a worse Jeff Fisher without the Super Bowl trip. 

[T0mShane]

21 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

It gets tiresome defending that shabby chic cheat.  Anybody that is not delusional can see that Parcells has never achieved anything in his career without Lil' Bill by his side.  Without Belichick on the sidelines Parcells never won a division, never won a playoff game and has a losing record.  On his own he is a worse Jeff Fisher without the Super Bowl trip. 

I think this ends in a fistfight, Dom. Mano y Mano.

[TuscanyTile2]

On 2/9/2017 at 9:43 PM, Jetsmanjb said:

"Losers assemble in small groups and complain about the coaches and other players. Winners assemble as a team and find ways to win." - Bill Parcells '97-'99

SO who on our team are the losers that you think we need to get rid of in the offseason this year?

BP said this in his HOF speech and he was repeating a quote from someone else.

[nyjunc]

15 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

Now Parcells is an offensive genius as well. You keep citing the same drivel all over again. Belichek has Parcells beat in every category yet you still say he is the man. So wrong. Face it friend you just don't get it and never will. Go polish Parcells 2 Super Bowl rings. Belichek has 5. 7 if you count the 2 Parcelss shirt-tailed him on.

who said that? he was a coach that could adapt to any talent, a incredible trait for a HC.  they had great D's led by LT w/ the Giants and they;d grind it out on O, when he went to NE they aired out, w/ Vinny in '98 they aired it out.  he did what he had to do to win and did so w/o great QBs

15 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

It gets tiresome defending that shabby chic cheat.  Anybody that is not delusional can see that Parcells has never achieved anything in his career without Lil' Bill by his side.  Without Belichick on the sidelines Parcells never won a division, never won a playoff game and has a losing record.  On his own he is a worse Jeff Fisher without the Super Bowl trip. 

except for turn around 3 of the worst franchises in the sport but other than that you are right. Imagine if he had a Tom Brady?  probably would have won 7-8 SBs.

[#27TheDominator]

14 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

except for turn around 3 of the worst franchises in the sport but other than that you are right. Imagine if he had a Tom Brady?  probably would have won 7-8 SBs.

Which of these franchises did he turn around without Lil Bill? Guy was there his entire Giants run, and his entire Jets run.  He wasn't there when fatty started with the Pats and they 5-11, 10-6, 6-10. Turned around!  Lil Bill wasn't there in Dallas and the fat **** went 34-30, never won a division and never got out of the wildcard round.  Woot! Woot!  Great job he did in Dallas - 6 years without a playoff win.  Never as good a record as his first year.  If only he had more time!  

He wouldn't have had Tom Brady.  If Bledsoe got hurt, that fat **** would have started whatever sh*tty Scott Zolak-level vet he kept on roster and traded for Rick ******* Mirer.  It is what he does. He refuses to let a young QB take over.  He ****ed up Simms, he refused to start Lucas.  sh*t, he had Romo on his roster for 3 years and kept with Quincy Carter and Bledsoe and went so far as to sign and start Testicles.  He would have cut Romo if Carter didn't get suspended.  Cut him to keep Testicles, Carter and Henson.  At least he knew that Romo was better than Chad ******* Hutchinson.

[nyjunc]

7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Which of these franchises did he turn around without Lil Bill? Guy was there his entire Giants run, and his entire Jets run.  He wasn't there when fatty started with the Pats and they 5-11, 10-6, 6-10. Turned around!  Lil Bill wasn't there in Dallas and the fat **** went 34-30, never won a division and never got out of the wildcard round.  Woot! Woot!  Great job he did in Dallas - 6 years without a playoff win.  Never as good a record as his first year.  If only he had more time!  

NE and Dallas.

 

from 1990-1992 NE won a TOTAL of 9 games, they had ownership issues, they were threatening to move to SL, they had the Lisa Olsen scandal.  they were the worst franchise in the sport.  By year 2 he had them at double digit wins and in the playoffs.  they took a step back year 3 then BB came on(not as DC by the way).  In 1995 NE's D was ranked 28th, in 1996 they moved up to 19th.  in 1995 the O was ranked 23rd, in 1996 they moved up to #2.  I guess that's a credit to the genius of BB?

 

w/ us it was BB's overrated D that blew the 1998 AFC Championship Game. when BB hasn't had LT he hasn't been a great D coach.

 

In Dallas the Cowboys post dynasty were 5-11 for 3 straight years.  Year ONE w/ QUINCY CARTER at QB they went 10-6 and made the playoffs.

 

the man could turn around any franchise.  he got bored and moved on quick which was his flaw but he was a better HC than BB who can ONLY win w/ the greatest QB of all time as a HC.

 

In Dallas Parcells coached 4 years, made the playoffs twice, had one losing season.

In Cleveland BB coached 5 years, made the playoffs once, had 4 losing seasons.

[#27TheDominator]

4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

NE and Dallas.

 

from 1990-1992 NE won a TOTAL of 9 games, they had ownership issues, they were threatening to move to SL, they had the Lisa Olsen scandal.  they were the worst franchise in the sport.  By year 2 he had them at double digit wins and in the playoffs.  they took a step back year 3 then BB came on(not as DC by the way).  In 1995 NE's D was ranked 28th, in 1996 they moved up to 19th.  in 1995 the O was ranked 23rd, in 1996 they moved up to #2.  I guess that's a credit to the genius of BB?

 

w/ us it was BB's overrated D that blew the 1998 AFC Championship Game. when BB hasn't had LT he hasn't been a great D coach.

 

In Dallas the Cowboys post dynasty were 5-11 for 3 straight years.  Year ONE w/ QUINCY CARTER at QB they went 10-6 and made the playoffs.

 

the man could turn around any franchise.  he got bored and moved on quick which was his flaw but he was a better HC than BB who can ONLY win w/ the greatest QB of all time as a HC.

 

In Dallas Parcells coached 4 years, made the playoffs twice, had one losing season.

In Cleveland BB coached 5 years, made the playoffs once, had 4 losing seasons.

In NE Parcells coached 3 years without Belichick and had 2 losing seasons.

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

In NE Parcells coached 3 years without Belichick and had 2 losing seasons.

so he was still better than BB in Cleveland, thanks for making my point.

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

so he was still better than BB in Cleveland, thanks for making my point.

Dude, you are hilarious.  You bring up ownership issues and the bullsh*t about Jacksonville to excuse Parcells sh*t in NE, but keep yapping about Cleveland?  

[nyjunc]

4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Dude, you are hilarious.  You bring up ownership issues and the bullsh*t about Jacksonville to excuse Parcells sh*t in NE, but keep yapping about Cleveland?  

when did I excuse Parcells for anything involving ownership?  I simply stated he took over the biggest laughingstock in football when he inherited the Pats mess.

when BB took over Cleveland they were a model franchise having just come off 3 title game trips the previous 5 years. the move had no affect on the team until they announced it and they were already awful in 1995 prior to the announcement.

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

when did I excuse Parcells for anything involving ownership?  I simply stated he took over the biggest laughingstock in football when he inherited the Pats mess.

when BB took over Cleveland they were a model franchise having just come off 3 title game trips the previous 5 years. the move had no affect on the team until they announced it and they were already awful in 1995 prior to the announcement.

They were 3-13.  Model franchise!

[nyjunc]

7 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

They were 3-13.  Model franchise!

a year removed from reaching 3 title games in 4 years. they were not the 2000s Cleveland Browns, they were well thought of at the time and BB sunk them so far down they moved the team then a few years later won a SB.

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

a year removed from reaching 3 title games in 4 years. they were not the 2000s Cleveland Browns, they were well thought of at the time and BB sunk them so far down they moved the team then a few years later won a SB.

Ah.  A well thought of 3-13.  That explains it. 

[nyjunc]

6 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Ah.  A well thought of 3-13.  That explains it. 

what part of 3 title games in the previous 5 seasons do you not understand?  

 

Browns 5 years pre Belichick:

1986-1990:

44-34-1, 4 playoff apps, 3 div titles, 3 title game apps, 4 winning seasons, 3 double digit win seasons

Browns 5 years w/ Belichick:

1991-1995:

36-44, 1 playoff app, 1 WC app, 1 div rd app, 1 winning season, 4 losing seasons

and when they went to Baltimore they won a SB w.in 5 years after BB.

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

and when they went to Baltimore they won a SB w.in 5 years after BB.

*set up to compete for the super bowl when he left.

[Hael]

BB's job in Cleveland is pretty underrated.  He put together a historically great staff, many of which are current NFL headcoaches.  He took an old, basically dead team and cleaned up the finances and put it through a youth movement (with mixed results true, but until the last season they were trending upwards).  

He lost his job basically b/c the owner was trying to move the franchise.  However the pieces that he put in place formed the cornerstone of what became the Ravens dynasty which lasted for years..

It was not a terrible job by any means..  Sometimes you have to play with the cards that are dealt.

Now, BP is a different type of coach.  I think it would be difficult for him in this pass heavy era, as he never could quite coach up that type of offense or understand how to put something like that in place.  It was always ball control, defense, attitude.  The X and Os and the situational adaptability were more a BB forte.

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Hael said:

BB's job in Cleveland is pretty underrated.  He put together a historically great staff, many of which are current NFL headcoaches.  He took an old, basically dead team and cleaned up the finances and put it through a youth movement (with mixed results true, but until the last season they were trending upwards).  

He lost his job basically b/c the owner was trying to move the franchise.  However the pieces that he put in place formed the cornerstone of what became the Ravens dynasty which lasted for years..

It was not a terrible job by any means..  Sometimes you have to play with the cards that are dealt.

Now, BP is a different type of coach.  I think it would be difficult for him in this pass heavy era, as he never could quite coach up that type of offense or understand how to put something like that in place.  It was always ball control, defense, attitude.  The X and Os and the situational adaptability were more a BB forte.

trending upward? they had one winning season in 5 years.  they went from 6 wins to 7 to 7 to 11 to 5. the 11 was clearly an aberration. 

he lost his job b/c he did an awful job, treated the media poorly and the fanbase hated him.

Ozzie newsome was a career Brown, he made the Ravens SB caliber.

he was dealt a great hand w/ a great franchise at the time and he ran it into the ground.  he started to do the same in NE until Brady stepped in and saved him.

 

 

[nyjunc]

by the way, players from the Browns that won the SB w/ the Ravens in 2000:

 

DE Rob Burnett- drafted in 1990 before BB.

K Matt Stover- brought in as FA in 1991

 

what a loaded roster that the genius left them, how could they have won that SB w/o him?