AFJF Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Why are you still trying to completely put words in my mouth to make me look bad then? You're the douchbag. I only IM'd you to tell you to leave me the hell alone. go away stalker...how insane are you? I haven't said a single word to you and I'm "trying to make you look bad" get help mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Why are you still trying to completely put words in my mouth to make me look bad Trust us, you don't need us to do that. Only a "stalker" mentality would think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 go away stalker...how insane are you? I haven't said a single word to you and I'm "trying to make you look bad" get help mike.LOL you say that I said that everything that happens in baseball is luck (something i never did) and when i call you out for lying you deny saying it. And I'M insane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I think that argument only holds water when it's being discussed with somebody who believes that the majority of resluts in MLB are based on good and bad luck as opposed to just being a good or bad player/team. JMO of course. I never said anything like this. Once again you prove to be a lair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 All ground ball pitchers are worse on turf fields because the ball travels faster on turf giving it a better chance to get by the infielders. I don't know if it makes that huge difference or not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 LOL you say that I said that everything that happens in baseball is luck (something i never did) and when i call you out for lying you deny saying it. And I'M insane? stop stalking me. Nowhere in that post did I mention your name. I realize that to a degree you attribute a great deal of luck to the outcome of games. Moreso than any rational fan would. That does not mean there aren't fans out there who are even worse than you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 All ground ball pitchers are worse on turf fields because the ball travels faster on turf giving it a better chance to get by the infielders. I don't know if it makes that huge difference or not though. Not a huge difference. In Wang's case, if as Madmike suggests, and you were to remove his turf games from his road outings, his ERA would still be 4.16, which is still a lot higher than his 2.75 home ERA. These are '07 stats. So with Wang, it is not just the turf aspect alone. He lacks a K pitch, to get people out. I think Bugg has referred to it as pitching to contact. Wang does that a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 What the sabermetrics guys don't like to hear is talk about balancing a line-up with complimentary players, playing smart-ball, and establishing chemistry and roles. Those are things that numbers can't be given to, are not quantifiable, but are real in terms of wins and losses. They don't want to hear that. But how do you explain a team like the Colorado Rockies? That is not about being lucky. That is about establish a team concept and playing winning ball. Sabermetrics does not account for that. Players create stats, not stat geeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 What the sabermetrics guys don't like to hear is talk about balancing a line-up with complimentary players, playing smart-ball, and establishing chemistry and roles. Those are things that numbers can't be given to, are not quantifiable, but are real in terms of wins and losses. They don't want to hear that. But how do you explain a team like the Colorado Rockies? That is not about being lucky. That is about establish a team concept and playing winning ball. Sabermetrics does not account for that. Players create stats, not stat geeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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