Scott Dierking Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Anyone care to continue this discussion in an adult manner, without name calling and feeling of bias against your team? Can the baseball structure be improved? Can the playing field be leveled? Does a salary ceiling and floor encourage active partcipation and equal spending by all teams? Or does an ecomomic model of "survival of the strongest" actually strenthen teh sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lil Bit Special Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Two things baseball needs to do right now: Establish a World Draft. Salary Floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Anyone care to continue this discussion in an adult manner, without name calling and feeling of bias against your team? Can the baseball structure be improved? Can the playing field be leveled? Does a salary ceiling and floor encourage active partcipation and equal spending by all teams? Or does an ecomomic model of "survival of the strongest" actually strenthen teh sport? The structure can be improved. I do not think the system should be changed to the NFL or NBA salary cap systems. The MLB business model is so out of whack, a change that drastic, such as a change to the NFL system. Would probably severely cripple the league for along time. As I said in the other thread, people do not watch other teams except for a very few. A socialist division of all funds would weaken the Yankees and other big markets and devalue the TV package until a time it could recover to the new system. That is assuming it could recover. I actually like the premise of the NHL having a high and low salary cap. There would still be big market teams, but they could not get every big dollar FA. It would also, I hope, help prevent fire sales for small teams. For instance, if the Rays were forced to spend upto $75 million versus their current level of $43 million. The might be able to keep most of those young arms they have acquired through the draft and/or trades. However, that is not going to happen. What will happen is a bunch of piranha like big market teams waiting to pick apart the Rays when they young arms and other players hit FA. The question is where is the $220 million going to come from to get the 16 or so team upto $75 million without it being true welfare checks. The smaller market teams need better infrastructure in order to help build their products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 16, 2008 Author Share Posted December 16, 2008 Two things baseball needs to do right now: Establish a World Draft. Salary Floor. That would be a great start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 The majority of baseball fans and probably owners would want to see some type of ceiling/floor system implemented. Unfortunately the baseball union is so strong that something like that isn't likely in the near future. Obviously as a Mets fan I can't complain about spending, free agency and the likes, but as a fan for the health of the game, something has to be done to give a chance for all teams to be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Two things baseball needs to do right now: Establish a World Draft. Salary Floor. Salary Floor seems like a good concept, but I mean, look at the Rays... the floor inevitably would've been set higher than their payroll. Salary doesn't make your team good or bad. Talent does. And I hate the domestic draft. Forget about the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 hard cap/floor is the way to go imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Salary Floor seems like a good concept, but I mean, look at the Rays... the floor inevitably would've been set higher than their payroll. Salary doesn't make your team good or bad. Talent does. And I hate the domestic draft. Forget about the world. Yes, but it would eliminate the Yankees, Sox and Dodgers to name but a few going into a Latin American country and throwing a million dollars at a 16yo kid to sign a contract. Or having all but the big market teams elminated from bidding on a player of Dice-K/Matsui caliber. Nor could the Japan player dictate where they go like Ichiro or that crap pitcher from Japan (Irabu?) that only wanted the Yankees. The Pirates might not be able to afford Dice-K, but they could trade his rights for money and/or players to big market team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Yes, but it would eliminate the Yankees, Sox and Dodgers to name but a few going into a Latin American country and throwing a million dollars at a 16yo kid to sign a contract. Or having all but the big market teams elminated from bidding on a player of Dice-K/Matsui caliber. Nor could the Japan player dictate where they go like Ichiro or that crap pitcher from Japan (Irabu?) that only wanted the Yankees. The Pirates might not be able to afford Dice-K, but they could trade his rights for money and/or players to big market team. yes a world draft is a good idea. this way when a guy like dice-k wants to play mlb he has to enter the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 cut down to 24 teams...6 div 4 teams. maybe 20, 4 div 5 teams. make a floor salary of 50 mil...no crappy 25m payrolls ala fla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Salary Floor seems like a good concept, but I mean, look at the Rays... the floor inevitably would've been set higher than their payroll. Salary doesn't make your team good or bad. Talent does. And I hate the domestic draft. Forget about the world. But the amount of times a team that has a low payroll is successful or continues their success for over a year or two is small. Plus the payroll for guys who havent reached free agency is ludicriously low. Is it fair a guy makes 500,000 when his talent is good enough for 4-6 mil a year? Their payroll isnt small because they made good moves, its because the salaries are small due to the rules. Hockey has it right with the floor. It is the only way to know for sure small market teams will at least make an attempt to be competitive. And not having a draft would be the dumbest thing they could ever do. What makes sports is the fact you need to have other teams to compete with. Yankees are not like Staples or Best Buy that can drive competitors out of business. They need other teams to be competitive to be successful and grow the game. Its ok for teams to dominate, as long as the other teams always have a chance to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 i find it hard to believe 5,000 fans at games of bottomfeeders helps make more $$$ less teams means better competition, fundamentals, and a better overall product either way baseball as it is is fine for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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