CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Yeah, its so un-townie of him to give us what would appear to be a scum report right away... Yeah, i mean, after making 1 post in 2 days, he's on right after the nk to make a fake claim. Nothing suspicipous at all there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Night 1 -- Dan. Didn't leave. Night 2 -- Lily. Didn't leave. Night 3 -- Vic. Visited Brett. Night 4 -- CTM. Visited Vic. As to why: I think Dan goes without saying. Night 2, I was focused a lot on Lily/Jack...I think we've been there. Night 3, as I was rationalizing my decision to myself to BG, I figured if Vic got silenced, I could share his investigation. Night 4, CTM has been unreasonably clean, don't ya think? When the hell was the last time he had this little pressure? He even made it until recently to have his first monkey fight. All else I've got is I've been told I don't see day time actions if they've been submitted then. Asked after Jacks first death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I really think we need to wait for Vic and make AVM commit to something before lynching. This. What's the rush to lynch here, make AVM give all his results and commit before we decide something. Also, if Vic got results, share them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 AVM. Can you elaborate on what was the result? CTM visited vicious? Yeah, that's my result. CTM visited you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Official Vote Count: AVM (1): CTM CTM (3): Primate, AVM, Jack With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I investigated CTM. I can say that much. How much it helps I have no clue. FWIW I was between AVM and CTM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Wait a minute, AVM had TWO votes on him. TWO. He was in no imminent danger of getting lynched. Why give himself up to take out ONE townie when two of his scummates were just killed off in consecutive day-night cycles? AVM's play makes no sense if he's scum. And the solution is simple. Lynch your a$$, take out AVM if you flip town. And lynching AVM first makes little sense since he's claimed watcher. If he's telling the truth he's highly useful in a game with so few roled up townies. Thought I'm sure you'll come up with a clever fake reveal before dying first. Speedlynch this clown. They were two quick votes and he's probably rocked by what happenned to jif... they're on the run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Brett and Jack on Slats, CTM and Dan on Smash... all decided nice and early which side to take. Appropriately bussing and pushing so as to not all be in one spot. Seems like the right split up for scum given the importance of a play like this. I figure at least 2 of those 4 is scum. Interesting to see 3 of them trying to sell me as scum the minute I mention their names too... Brett, Jack and CTM all of a sudden everything I say "pings" them, and needs to be twisted out of context for you all to see. Shameful scum, shameful. Going back to this. Feel better about Brett, given the investigation result - and I don't see all 4 scum being on the Slats train at once. Totally think CTM is scum. I'm not too suspicious of Dan. I can see Jack as the 4th, thinking he could try to push the Slats lynch and if fail, then bus by hammering Smash. I don't think scum would have tried to bus more than 2 of themselves there. Could be someone that voted between me and Jack's hammer - the count above isn't the final. With play as important as that one was, I just don't see how all 4 scum weren't involved early, and Jack could have been the one that volunteered to flake out and jump over to Smash for the bus play if they couldn't influence town to lynch Slats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 They were two quick votes and he's probably rocked by what happenned to jif... they're on the run Monkey conjecture for the win mother****er! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I investigated CTM. I can say that much. How much it helps I have no clue. FWIW I was between AVM and CTM. Innocent result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_D Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I investigated CTM. I can say that much. How much it helps I have no clue. FWIW I was between AVM and CTM. Townie or scum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I investigated CTM. I can say that much. How much it helps I have no clue. FWIW I was between AVM and CTM. And I assume CTM flipped town? Perhaps CTM is the godfather. Either way, lynch CTM first, then AVM if he flips town. AVM will die either tonight (NK) or tomorrow (lynch) regardless, it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I felt CTM was super townie in siding with slats. Nice and early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Townie or scum? townie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 They were two quick votes and he's probably rocked by what happenned to jif... they're on the run That's fine. AVM will die tomorrow then and they'll likely be down to one, possibly two. That leaves what, 6 on 2 at worst? Pretty good odds for town. Either way no one but you would make sense for the noose right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Innocent result Do you have a role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 And I assume CTM flipped town? Perhaps CTM is the godfather. Either way, lynch CTM first, then AVM if he flips town. AVM will die either tonight (NK) or tomorrow (lynch) regardless, it would seem. Or lynch scum now, i'm a confirmed innocent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_D Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 How about people on neither lynch, namely Lily and Verb. I'm sure nothings suspicious about either one. Going back to this. Feel better about Brett, given the investigation result - and I don't see all 4 scum being on the Slats train at once. Totally think CTM is scum. I'm not too suspicious of Dan. I can see Jack as the 4th, thinking he could try to push the Slats lynch and if fail, then bus by hammering Smash. I don't think scum would have tried to bus more than 2 of themselves there. Could be someone that voted between me and Jack's hammer - the count above isn't the final. With play as important as that one was, I just don't see how all 4 scum weren't involved early, and Jack could have been the one that volunteered to flake out and jump over to Smash for the bus play if they couldn't influence town to lynch Slats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I got to say, I think AVM has been more suspect overall than CTM in this game. AVM was one of the other ones that caught my eye other than JiF and Brett. He just seemed a lot more jumpy than usual. Not that I see CTM as a strong town read at this point. Going to probably reread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan. Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Wait a minute, AVM had TWO votes on him. TWO. He was in no imminent danger of getting lynched. Why give himself up to take out ONE townie when two of his scummates were just killed off in consecutive day-night cycles? AVM's play makes no sense if he's scum. And the solution is simple. Lynch your a$$, take out AVM if you flip town. And lynching AVM first makes little sense since he's claimed watcher. If he's telling the truth he's highly useful in a game with so few roled up townies. Though I'm sure you'll come up with a clever fake reveal before dying first. Speedlynch this clown. Shout out to my former "Office Mafia" scummate Pac, who had this guy pegged a while ago. I'm wondering about this, too, but perhaps he has some sort of lynch avoidance or something else making it not such a bad deal? I don't know. If he was going to make this play, he had to make it right away when day started. I think he knew suspicion was swinging his way. I know the smarter play is to lynch CTM first, but I can't shake how completely scummy AVM has felt to me this game. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 And I assume CTM flipped town? Perhaps CTM is the godfather. Either way, lynch CTM first, then AVM if he flips town. AVM will die either tonight (NK) or tomorrow (lynch) regardless, it would seem. This. I'm as good as dead tonight or tomorrow. Scum just lost two yesterday, would they really be willing to take another 1 for 1 right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 townie Of course you'd flip town and thank you for pointing it out multiple times. Heard you the first time. Unfortunately for you Vic's investigation is largely useless for our purposes right now. Either you're the godfather or AVM is lying and he's scum. Those are the only two possibilities I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 This. I'm as good as dead tonight or tomorrow. Scum just lost two yesterday, would they really be willing to take another 1 for 1 right now? Of course they wouldn't which is why your play here makes NO SENSE If you're scum. You were at L-4, not L-2 or L-1, and gave town all the information it needed to proceed. It wasn't a defensive move it was a proactive one. One scum wouldn't take if they were down 8 to 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 And I assume CTM flipped town? Perhaps CTM is the godfather. Either way, lynch CTM first, then AVM if he flips town. AVM will die either tonight (NK) or tomorrow (lynch) regardless, it would seem. This, absolutely NO reason not to play it this way. Smash and JIF dead we should have the numbers advantage. Lynch CTM now, if he flips town - kill AVM tomorrow. If not... then AVM is legit, and we give him one more night to track someone - and he can give his report as a spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan. Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I felt CTM was super townie in siding with slats. Nice and early. I think CTM and I can generally read Slats pretty well ... I felt very, very strongly that Slats was town and was not surprised CTM had the same read. I don't always have the best read on CTM, but I don't see this point as anything indicative of his alignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Hey Slats, you cutie you. Aaaaaaand..... both our reputations remain intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Like has been mentioned a couple times now, what if there's a lynch avoidance? I bring it up because there IS a downside to lynching the innocent in a 50-50 situation if that's the case. No need to just think it's easy as pie and make a stupid decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm wondering about this, too, but perhaps he has some sort of lynch avoidance or something else making it not such a bad deal? I don't know. If he was going to make this play, he had to make it right away when day started. I think he knew suspicion was swinging his way. I know the smarter play is to lynch CTM first, but I can't shake how completely scummy AVM has felt to me this game. Lol. Well let's see what kind of role reveal CTM cooks up. He's probably working furiously with his scum team to come up with a good one. The longer he takes to produce it the worse he looks. If he's just a roleless townie like most of us were, no big loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm wondering about this, too, but perhaps he has some sort of lynch avoidance or something else making it not such a bad deal? I don't know. If he was going to make this play, he had to make it right away when day started. I think he knew suspicion was swinging his way. I know the smarter play is to lynch CTM first, but I can't shake how completely scummy AVM has felt to me this game. Lol. It has nothing to do with feeling right now. Read my post above, its a pure logic play at this point. You don't lynch the claimed investigative role first in this scenario. ESPECIALLY since he can give his results after he dies. Lynch CTM, if he's scum, we let AVM track one more time and he probably gets NK, but he can gives us an additional report. If CTM is town, we kill AVM tomorrow for an easy lynch. Either way, we retain the advantage, but the prior scenario gets us an additional report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 BTW this is what the true Smashmouth looked like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Like has been mentioned a couple times now, what if there's a lynch avoidance? I bring it up because there IS a downside to lynching the innocent in a 50-50 situation if that's the case. No need to just think it's easy as pie and make a stupid decision. The alternative downside to that is we kill off the watcher. Not that it matters too much; he's dead tonight if he's telling the truth. My take is that, if AVM is ballsy enough to make a move like this as scum, you tip your hat to him and move on. Worrying about a lynch avoidance just isn't a big enough deterrent to taking out CTM. In this worst case scenario, after lynching AVM twice its at worst what, 5 to 2 for the town? Definitely not an impossible situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Do you have a role Nothing too worthwhile and would be rendered useless if i said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 My opinion. We lynch CTM and if he's town vig kill AVM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 10 players alive. I'm guessing there were 5 scum, meaning 3 are left. 7 town, 3 scum. Lynch me now, that puts you at 6 and 3 (if I'm town). Tonight scum kill, it's 5 and 3. Tomorrow you speed lynch CTM, 5 and 2. Another mislynch would put it at 4 and 2 that night, then 3 and 2 the next day. You can afford two mislynches...so lynch me first, prove me as town, and lynch CTM. Either way, towns still ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 The alternative downside to that is we kill off the watcher. let me run the numbers, perhaps lynching a townie today results in lylo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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