Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 thank god he's there to make tom brady look good Brady looked awful this year until Gronk and Vereen came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Flacco and Eli. Neither are very good. Ditto Stafford. When they have weapons, they play well. Look at Peyton sh*tting the bed right now. The Denver offense all season has been based off of their WR's and yards after the catch. Pats are taking that away and Peyton looks awful. Demaryius hasnt caught a pass tonight. The game now is all about about getting your weapons the ball in space. They were both better than mediocre. And you're all over the place now. First it's the fault of the weapons for not being weapons. Now it's Manning's fault for not using his weapons. Keeping consistent with your argument, it shouldn't be possible for this game to happen because Denver has 3 receiving weapons on offense. Except it IS possible, which is precisely my point. "Weapons" do not make a bad QB into a good one (nor do they prevent a great QB from ever having a bad day). The way Smith is playing now, it wouldn't matter who his receivers are. It might help a little, I'm sure, but it wouldn't make him a good QB any more than Fitz & Boldin turned Leinart into a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 They were both better than mediocre. And you're all over the place now. First it's the fault of the weapons for not being weapons. Now it's Manning's fault for not using his weapons. Keeping consistent with your argument, it shouldn't be possible for this game to happen because Denver has 3 receiving weapons on offense. Except it IS possible, which is precisely my point. "Weapons" do not make a bad QB into a good one (nor do they prevent a great QB from ever having a bad day). The way Smith is playing now, it wouldn't matter who his receivers are. It might help a little, I'm sure, but it wouldn't make him a good QB any more than Fitz & Boldin turned Leinart into a good QB. The Pats are winning tonights game with defense. They have more respect for Peyton's receivers than Peyton....they're daring Peyton to take a shot. The screens and dump offs that Denver has killed teams with this season arent there tonight because the Pats dont respect Peyton's arm. Denver has been awesome this year because of their weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Brady looked awful this year until Gronk and Vereen came back. yeah so bad he had 5 wins and 1 loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 yeah so bad he had 5 wins and 1 loss Sanchez won 11 games once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The Pats are winning tonights game with defense. They have more respect for Peyton's receivers than Peyton....they're daring Peyton to take a shot. The screens and dump offs that Denver has killed teams with this season arent there tonight because the Pats dont respect Peyton's arm. Denver has been awesome this year because of their weapons. come on man. they have 400 yards pf offense and brady has 3 td passes. there's a little offense being played in that game as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Sanchez won 11 games once. sanchez>>>geno smith anyway sanchez had teh weaponz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 come on man. they have 400 yards pf offense and brady has 3 td passes. there's a little offense being played in that game as well Denver has 70 yards passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 The Pats are winning tonights game with defense. They have more respect for Peyton's receivers than Peyton....they're daring Peyton to take a shot. The screens and dump offs that Denver has killed teams with this season arent there tonight because the Pats dont respect Peyton's arm. Denver has been awesome this year because of their weapons. Then what the hell does Denver need Peyton Manning for? According to you, they don't. Just stick Mark Sanchez back there and they'll win 13+ games in the regular season alone. Meanwhile no one drops more passes than the Broncos receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Then what the hell does Denver need Peyton Manning for? According to you, they don't. Just stick Mark Sanchez back there and they'll win 13+ games in the regular season alone. Peyton will be the reason Denver loses in the playoffs. Just like how most of his seasons end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Denver has 70 yards passing. and yet they have scored 24 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 and yet they have scored 24 points. Have you watched the game? The Pats turned it over 3 times within the first 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Peyton will be the reason Denver loses in the playoffs. Just like how most of his seasons end. Answer my question. Would Denver win 13+ regular season games with Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Answer my question. Would Denver win 13+ regular season games with Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith this year? No. And Peyton wouldnt win any more than 10 on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Have you watched the game? The Pats turned it over 3 times within the first 10 minutes. my point is that the pats are winning because tom brady has led them to 31 points with 3 td passes and 400 yards of offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 my point is that the pats are winning because tom brady has led them to 31 points with 3 td passes and 400 yards of offense. Sure- if youre just looking at the box score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Sure- if youre just looking at the box score. lol......ur a funny dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 lol......ur a funny dude. You hold Peyton under 100 yards passing you gotta like your chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 you keep blieving that geno's problem is his lack of weapons. the reality is his problem is that he ******* sucks sh*t as an nfl qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 You hold Peyton under 100 yards passing you gotta like your chances. they still needed tom brady to score more than 24 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 they still needed tom brady to score more than 24 points Off of a pick and a fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 No. And Peyton wouldnt win any more than 10 on the Jets. Well then we disagree. We've already won 5. Two more were winnable with merely average QB play (which Manning is more than capable of). And there are 5 more games remaining and 4 are against sucky teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Well then we disagree. We've already won 5. Two more were winnable with merely average QB play (which Manning is more than capable of). And there are 5 more games remaining and 4 are against sucky teams. If he can bring Demaryius along I'd agree. The only QB that could make these weapons even slightly functional is Rodgers. Salas and Nelson were both signed off of the street and they both started for the Jets today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Off of a pick and a fumble. doesnt matter he still had to make the plays. just like peyton just did to tie the game up. this is what good qb's do.....they lead their team to scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Well then we disagree. We've already won 5. Two more were winnable with merely average QB play (which Manning is more than capable of). And there are 5 more games remaining and 4 are against sucky teams. 4 sucky teams that we'll probably lose to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 doesnt matter he still had to make the plays. just like peyton just did to tie the game up. this is what good qb's do.....they lead their team to scores Peyton looks exactly like Geno under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 4 sucky teams that we'll probably lose to I don't think 10 games would have been so far-fetched with Peyton Manning starting all 16 games. Hell, people are already wildly claiming we'd have 2 more wins than we now have if Mark Sanchez was the QB all season long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Denver's weapons must have dropped 6 passes today that hit them in the hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 They just won a super bowl with Rice and Smith as the No1 WR... you forgetting Boldin going off in the playoffs last year ? Hes gone and Flacco has reverted back to the Flacco before Boldin arrived you just forgot those days I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I. Keep fighting the good fight Matt. You know Ive been doing it here for years and this year the NFL provided us ample proof that if you take the weapons away the QB sh*ts the bed Just ask Matt Ryan and Tom Brady. And regardless of this argument Geno Smith Sucks and I think he would suck in just about any situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I don't think it's a coincidence that geno looks just like sanchez confused, hesitant, no confidence, droopy shoulders, mopey, loser you can't tell your QB "just don't **** it up, we'll win it on defense" and expect good results did you see the look on genos face after the first completion of the game......where he was the receiver not the passer ? humiliated, emasculated, checked out, dispassionate, wave the white flag, game was over right there the common denominator is rex this is all on him Truth. I've seen in a few places that Mornhinweg is getting slammed for being conservative, which is funny. This is the same guy that got repeatedly slammed in Philly for making backup street free agent QBs throw it 35 times a game. Anyone who's watched Rex v. Baltimore or the Steelers the past five years can deduce that Rex pulled the reins in on his quarterbacks, thinking he could simply out-tough their defense with his defense (to embarrassing results). How many wildcat plays did they run yesterday anyway? 15? How is that helping a young QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Keep fighting the good fight Matt. You know Ive been doing it here for years and this year the NFL provided us ample proof that if you take the weapons away the QB sh*ts the bed Just ask Matt Ryan and Tom Brady. And regardless of this argument Geno Smith Sucks and I think he would suck in just about any situation Brady just beat the best team in the league throwing to Julian Edelman and handing it off to someone named Brandon Bolden. The Broncos leading receiver was Jacob Tamme. It's pretty safe to say that there's a symbiosis between how well a receiver plays and how well a QB plays. Does Geno have a chance with his current group? No. But they'd look better (as a group) with Brady or Brees throwing them the ball. Hell, look at where Brees' and Brady's weapons were drafted. Look where the Broncos receivers (other than Demaryius Thomas) were drafted. Tony Romo lines up with psycho Dez Bryant, an old Witten, and a bunch of UDFA's. They pwn. Bottom line, when all of your offensive personnel fails year after year, you need to start looking at the program that's installed there to get them drafted and developed. It can't simply be one player, or one position coach, or even one GM who's bringing in scrubs year after year. It's the whole thing, from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Brady just beat the best team in the league throwing to Julian Edelman and handing it off to someone named Brandon Bolden. The Broncos leading receiver was Jacob Tamme. It's pretty safe to say that there's a symbiosis between how well a receiver plays and how well a QB plays. Does Geno have a chance with his current group? No. But they'd look better (as a group) with Brady or Brees throwing them the ball. Hell, look at where Brees' and Brady's weapons were drafted. Look where the Broncos receivers (other than Demaryius Thomas) were drafted. Tony Romo lines up with psycho Dez Bryant, an old Witten, and a bunch of UDFA's. They pwn. Bottom line, when all of your offensive personnel fails year after year, you need to start looking at the program that's installed there to get them drafted and developed. It can't simply be one player, or one position coach, or even one GM who's bringing in scrubs year after year. It's the whole thing, from top to bottom. but this is a different system. different gm. different coordinator with a different system. geno smith is just very bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 but this is a different system. different gm. different coordinator with a different system. geno smith is just very bad. Same head coach, thus, same solution to a young, struggling QB: neuter him by calling high school plays because Rex thinks he can get his defense to do more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Truth. I've seen in a few places that Mornhinweg is getting slammed for being conservative, which is funny. This is the same guy that got repeatedly slammed in Philly for making backup street free agent QBs throw it 35 times a game. Anyone who's watched Rex v. Baltimore or the Steelers the past five years can deduce that Rex pulled the reins in on his quarterbacks, thinking he could simply out-tough their defense with his defense (to embarrassing results). How many wildcat plays did they run yesterday anyway? 15? How is that helping a young QB? This is so true, if I'm not mistaken we haven't scored an offensive TD in 3 games now against the Ravens with Rex, he's so spooked by them you could suit up 11 of us in Ravens gear and he'd game plan the same way because " thats one heck of a defense over there"....#fearless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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