5 Reasons Harvin Can Succeed With Jets

[New York Mick]

Is the team black enough for him?

[kelticwizard]

harvin is not going to help geno be able to read a defense.

Disagree.  Success breeds confidence which breeds relaxed, non-panicked decisions which breeds more success.  Which is why a young QB needs a receiver crew which can make plays on his less-than-perfect throws and get the momentum going.  The same QB who can sling the ball into a tight window when he's going good will not be able to do so when he's meeting lack of success all day.  The only ones who can turn it around and suddenly make a great play when having a bad game are the successful veterans.

[ucrenegade]

Disagree.  Success breeds confidence which breeds relaxed, non-panicked decisions which breeds more success.  Which is why a young QB needs a receiver crew which can make plays on his less-than-perfect throws and get the momentum going.  The same QB who can sling the ball into a tight window when he's going good will not be able to do so when he's meeting lack of success all day.  The only ones who can turn it around and suddenly make a great play when having a bad game are the successful veterans.

 

so why didn't painter have the same record as luck it was only one year removed and they had basically the same guys except for a draft pick here and there.

 

the reason is because painter is a bad QB and Luck is a good one.

 

Which is what I have been saying a good QB raises the level of those around him even if they are not all-pro's

 

same way luck was able to work with painters wr's and make it work.

 

put phillip rivers on this exact team and we would have been 7-1 after this week not 1-7

[jgb]

so why didn't painter have the same record as luck it was only one year removed and they had basically the same guys except for a draft pick here and there.

 

the reason is because painter is a bad QB and Luck is a good one.

 

Which is what I have been saying a good QB raises the level of those around him even if they are not all-pro's

 

same way luck was able to work with painters wr's and make it work.

 

put phillip rivers on this exact team and we would have been 7-1 after this week not 1-7

Austin collie.

[kelticwizard]

so why didn't painter have the same record as luck it was only one year removed and they had basically the same guys except for a draft pick here and there.

 

the reason is because painter is a bad QB and Luck is a good one.

 

Which is what I have been saying a good QB raises the level of those around him even if they are not all-pro's

 

same way luck was able to work with painters wr's and make it work.

 

put phillip rivers on this exact team and we would have been 7-1 after this week not 1-7

 

Painter had a good team, he proved he couldn't win with it, and when they got a good QB-in fact the best prospect since Peyton Manning-they started winning again.

 

Geno did not come into a good team overall, and certainly a motley group of wide receivers.  Not being able to win with a team like Indy shows lack of ability.  Not being able to win with a group like the Jets does not necessarily imply lack of skill or potential.  If you want your young QB to grow, you have to provide him with professional quality receivers.  Geno did not get that in either of his two years.

[ucrenegade]

Painter had a good team, he proved he couldn't win with it, and when they got a good QB-in fact the best prospect since Peyton Manning-they started winning again.

 

Geno did not come into a good team overall, and certainly a motley group of wide receivers.  Not being able to win with a team like Indy shows lack of ability.  Not being able to win with a group like the Jets does not necessarily imply lack of skill or potential.  If you want your young QB to grow, you have to provide him with professional quality receivers.  Geno did not get that in either of his two years.

that is no excuse for him not making plays or at least trying to..............if he was a good QB he would be able to go through his progressions fast enough and would trust his wr's

 

I honestly don't think MM trusts him enough to let him try and win the game they just want him to manage a game and he can't even do that.

[ebonix]

The kid has some serious talent. When was the last time the Jets had a true playmaker like this? I honestly don't know.

 

..... Mike Vick should have gone to the Bills.  He's really not mentoring Geno.  We could have gotten a cheaper back up, like Austin Davis ( who would probably start) LOL

 

After five seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles, Vick had his choice between the New York Jets, Oakland Raiders, Buffalo Bills, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

At 34 years old, none of the teams saw him as a starter. Plus, his history of injuries have prevented him from playing more than 13 games in a single season. Instead of a starter, teams were looking for depth and the New York Jets got it.

Michael Vick knows he’s better than sitting on the bench and playing the backup role, especially for Geno Smith.

The Buffalo Bills have always liked Michael Vick. In fact, the story goes the Bills were the team who intended to sign Vick on his way out of prison, but the league denied the contract.

Per ESPN.com, Vick was convinced, after meeting with commissioner Roger Goodell and other NFL officials, that the Eagles were the best choice.

Just like then, the Bills were again interested and if Vick would have taken whatever they were offering he could have been the starting quarterback by Week 4 of the 2014 NFL Season.

Comparing the Bills to the Jets on offense is like comparing apples to oranges. Vick passing to offensive toys such as Sammy Watkins, Fred Jackson, Robert Woods and CJ Spiller would have been ideal. It would have been the spark the Bills offense needed.

Instead, he sits on the bench for New York.

[FidelioJet]

Painter had a good team, he proved he couldn't win with it, and when they got a good QB-in fact the best prospect since Peyton Manning-they started winning again.

 

Geno did not come into a good team overall, and certainly a motley group of wide receivers.  Not being able to win with a team like Indy shows lack of ability.  Not being able to win with a group like the Jets does not necessarily imply lack of skill or potential.  If you want your young QB to grow, you have to provide him with professional quality receivers.  Geno did not get that in either of his two years.

This is absolutely correct.  The point I would make is the Jets talent isn't nearly as poor as many make it out to be.  Can they be better, certainly - but the bottom line is we have had the worst (or close to worst) QB play in the NFL for the past two years.  It's hard to win with even a mediocre QB near impossible with a bottom five guy.

 

Put a top 10 QB with this Jet's roster and you have a 10-11 win team. 

[GenoandtheJets]

He's a homerun threat as a wide receiver so it should be beneficial for the Jets. Geno Smith has to get him the ball first.

Now that Geno has a #1 &  #2 wide out. This season is already cooked playoff wise anyway. They should have a good receiving core for next season.

[FidelioJet]

He's a homerun threat as a wide receiver so it should be beneficial for the Jets. Geno Smith has to get him the ball first.

Now that Geno has a #1 &  #2 wide out. This season is already cooked playoff wise anyway. They should have a good receiving core for next season.

 

I think he's going to help Amaro more than anyone else.  Should be able to open up the middle of the field.  Let Amaro build some confidence so he's ready to go next year.

 

If we keep Harvin and Amaro shows progress we will have plenty of talent to compete at a high level on offense next year (assuming we have reasonable QB play)

[kelticwizard]

that is no excuse for him not making plays or at least trying to..............if he was a good QB he would be able to go through his progressions fast enough and would trust his wr's

 

I honestly don't think MM trusts him enough to let him try and win the game they just want him to manage a game and he can't even do that.

 

Once again-when you have a young QB especially, receivers have to help out the QB.  They can't be the type of receiver that just runs the route and catches the ball if it's thrown to them.  They have to make some good plays to get the young QB going.  They have to reach up and make that extra special catch for the first down, or shake off the defender and run several yards for a big gain.  That's what quality receivers do.  Geno's gone from receivers who can't catch and have trouble running routes, to reserves like Nelson who are just okay when healthy but not healthy now, and the list goes on.  Kerley makes plays fairly often-but Kerley is meant to be a complementary receiver who works best by killing you when you are worried about #1.  That #1 receiver is Decker, but this year he's got a hamstring limiting him somewhat.  And on the other side from Decker we got ungots until Harvin starts.

 

Accuracy in any QB, especially a young one, improves dramatically when he is relaxed, confident and the offense is clicking.  Receivers have to do more than the minimum to keep the offense clicking with a young QB, especially one who's first year receivers were who they were-I don't think I need to go into details about that.

[ucrenegade]

 

Once again-when you have a young QB especially, receivers have to help out the QB.  They can't be the type of receiver that just runs the route and catches the ball if it's thrown to them.  They have to make some good plays to get the young QB going.  They have to reach up and make that extra special catch for the first down, or shake off the defender and run several yards for a big gain.  That's what quality receivers do.  Geno's gone from receivers who can't catch and have trouble running routes, to reserves like Nelson who are just okay when healthy but not healthy now, and the list goes on.  Kerley makes plays fairly often-but Kerley is meant to be a complementary receiver who works best by killing you when you are worried about #1.  That #1 receiver is Decker, but this year he's got a hamstring limiting him somewhat.  And on the other side from Decker we got ungots until Harvin starts.

 

Accuracy in any QB, especially a young one, improves dramatically when he is relaxed, confident and the offense is clicking.  Receivers have to do more than the minimum to keep the offense clicking with a young QB, especially one who's first year receivers were who they were-I don't think I need to go into details about that.

They have to help sure but they can't catch-up to overthrown balls or can't help if geno can't find them even though they are waving their hands waiting for the ball to be thrown to them. Yes they have dropped some but every team does go back and watch some of the games and concentrate on the other side of the field geno has tunnel vision if decker is not open he doesn't look for anyone else.

 

like i keep saying he can't read a defense and what QB is going to complete passes when he runs 20 yards backwards first?

[kelticwizard]

Running twenty yards backwards first often has something to do with the front line.  You keep avoiding the issue about Eli's first year.  He was pure crap until the Giants got smart and got Plaxico to help him out.  Even with Plaxico it took him a couple of years to finally "get it". Plaxico was so injured one year that he didn't practice almost the whole year, but the Giants knew that this was the only receiver Geno really had confidence in and kept him in there week after week.  I've brought this up several times.  Do you plan to respond?