southparkcpa Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Needs to be said. Drew Brees after having a red shirt year, was VERY average in his first year, and then regressed in his second causing the Chargers to go all in on Rivers. Living in San Diego I can tell you that early Brees was Geno bad. Then he completely breaks out in third year (fourth as a player) Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate 2004 San Diego Chargers 15 400 262 65.5 26.7 3,159 7.9 210.6 27 6.8 7 1.8 79T 40 9 18 131 104.8 2003 San Diego Chargers 11 356 205 57.6 32.4 2,108 5.9 191.6 11 3.1 15 4.2 68T 28 5 21 178 67.5 2002 San Diego Chargers 16 526 320 60.8 32.9 3,284 6.2 205.2 17 3.2 16 3.0 52T 40 4 24 180 76.9 Not saying Geno is Brees BUT it is possible for a QB to have the light come on in his third year. And Geno has a lot of things going for him now with no Rex, Marty or David Lee, a great OC in Gailey designing the offense around Geno, and significantly upgraded weapons on offense. So far almost everyone is saying he seems to be a different guy. Only practice, but at least for me it gets me excited that maybe we will see our franchise guy emerge this year. (Ducks head as Geno haters line up their barrels) PHIL SIMMS was mediocre his first 3 years............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I think he was pretty good in December of 2013 and played at a near pro bowl level in December 2014 (when he had two good healthy WRs - coincident?). Pretty consistent with the right supporting cast. so..if we shorten the season to December only, all is well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 so..if we shorten the season to December only, all is well. If you need to win a game after the team is eliminated from the post season and so is the opponent, Geno is a fine choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 You're right. Its obvious Geno is the next drew brees. I just went and announced it at the water cooler at work and was laughed out of the office and sent home for the day. Damn you! No he isn't necessarilygoing to be the next Bree's. But what really is obvious is that we do know that he can't be. Just because someone uses a Brees or just about every other QBs early years to illustrate that at this point we still need more time to figure out what he will be doesn't mean anyone is calling him the next Brees, that he will become that type QB. A real simple idea that shouldn't be so hard to figure out that people run in the wrong direction. So your idiot friends at the water cooler should be laughing at themselves not the idea that it takes QBs time to develop. In fact they should have laughed at you for screwing up this simple fact and thinking it was another way to ridicule your teams QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 If you need to win a game after the team is eliminated from the post season and so is the opponent, Geno is a fine choice. Except he's played well against the Pats shooting for home field advantage and knocked the Fins out of the playoffs. Not as cut and dried as it sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 PHIL SIMMS was mediocre his first 3 years............ And in year 4 the Tuna sat him for Scott Brunner..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I have no idea if Geno will turn the corner, I'm hopeful & he obviously he has shown flashes. What I don't understand are the Jet fans that are dead set on saying he will fail. If your going to only give a young QB 2 years under a QB killer like Rex and zero weapons most would fail. Jet fans would have wanted to cut QBs like Steve Young, Brees, Favre, Bradshaw, and many more. I admire the fact Geno has been knocked down, trashed by the media & the fans but keeps getting up, dusting himself off, and fighting again. I don't think the casual fan realizes the type of pressure that comes with being a QB in NY. Our fans demand perfection which is impossible. Geno could come out in the opening game & hit 10 passes in a row and the 1st time he overthrows a WR you get the grumblers & booers. I don't think it's ever right to attack a human personally with foul language and name calling but some fans thrive on this practice. It's what makes going to games uncomfortable for Parents and their children. It's like going to a sporting event gives people a license to be a huge azzhole. It's the "I paid my money" syndrome. Good luck Geno, I'll be cheering for you as long as your wearing that Jet logo. This is truly an awesome post. Great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I'd be more surprised if Geno didn't take a step forward in Gailey's system. For the first time in his pro career he'll have an OC catering an offense to his strengths. Add in Marshall, a 2nd year with Decker, and a (hopefully) emerging TE in Amaro and there's no reason his #s shouldn't improve. That said, I don't think the boneheaded mistakes will magically disappear. If he can limit them through better pre snap reads, and reaction better when under pressure, there's no reason to think Geno can't become an adequate QB... which is probably going to be his ceiling. I have to agree. I mean even the best make bone headed mistakes from time to time (Bradys first interception in the Superbowl and also Russells Wilsons game ender in the same game). The idea is to limit those errors as much as possible. I disagree that adequate is his ceiling; he can be much better than IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 And in year 4 the Tuna sat him for Scott Brunner..LOL Hmmm wondered why his year 4 stats were only 3-4 games. I assumed he was hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Hmmm wondered why his year 4 stats were only 3-4 games. I assumed he was hurt. His feelings were.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Hmmm wondered why his year 4 stats were only 3-4 games. I assumed he was hurt. That was year 5. He missed all of his 4th year after Klecko and Abdul-Salam partied on him in the pre(Snoopy Bowl) season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 PHIL SIMMS was mediocre his first 3 years............ All those starts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 so..if we shorten the season to December only, all is well. Or just get two NFL level WRs like we did now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 That was year 5. He missed all of his 4th year after Klecko and Abdul-Salam partied on him in the pre(Snoopy Bowl) season game. Think you are wrong..check his wikki page. Started in 1979 and in 83 saw almost no play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Think you are wrong..check his wikki page. Started in 1979 and in 83 saw almost no play. Nope. Not wrong at all. 1979-1983 is 5 seasons. 1979= rookie. 80, 81 were years 2 and 3. Year 4 was 1982 and he saw no play because the sack exchange ****ed up his knee in the preseason game. 1983 was his 5th year and he played some and was benched for Brunner. Worse than that, Jeff Rutledge started 4 games to Simms 0 in 1983. I don't think those two were much better than Jerry Goldstyn (gold shoes!) or Pisarcik. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SimmPh00.htm . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Nope. Not wrong at all. 1979-1983 is 5 seasons. 1979= rookie. 80, 81 were years 2 and 3. Year 4 was 1982 and he saw no play because the sack exchange ****ed up his knee in the preseason game. 1983 was his 5th year and he played some and was benched for Brunner. Worse than that, Jeff Rutledge started 4 games to Simms 0 in 1983. I don't think those two were much better than Jerry Goldstyn (gold shoes!) or Pisarcik. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SimmPh00.htm . 1982 is missing from your stat page.... Strange. WTF???? Ok...he missed 82 with ligament injury so 83 was his fourth year playing. I see your point but claim a moral victory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 1982 is missing from your stat page.... Strange. WTF???? Ok...he missed 82 with ligament injury so 83 was his fourth year playing. I see your point but claim a moral victory... Was it a competition? Isn't that what I said? Guy was 5 years out of school. I know it isn't quite the same as playing, but when you talk about red shirting a guy like Geno or Petty, isn't the injury similar? You still mature even when you are not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Was it a competition? Isn't that what I said? Guy was 5 years out of school. I know it isn't quite the same as playing, but when you talk about red shirting a guy like Geno or Petty, isn't the injury similar? You still mature even when you are not playing. It helped Aaron Rogers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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