AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Imagine knowing you just gave Osweiller a long-term deal at $18 million per season. How long can the Texans stay above water despite him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, AFJF said: Imagine knowing you just gave Osweiller a long-term deal at $18 million per season. How long can the Texans stay above water despite him? i'll sleep much better knowing this. we only gave fitz $10 million for 1 year. whew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, Augustiniak said: i'll sleep much better knowing this. we only gave fitz $10 million for 1 year. whew. $12 million total, $7 this year and $5 million that counts against next season's cap, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a hell of a lot better than Osweiller at that length/price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Osweiller has upside. He's not a 33-year old career loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Yet he's still way better than any QB on our roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpstateJetsGuru Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Texans can win games despite poor quarterbacking. That is an envious situation. Even when Jets QB plays well, there is a good chance it will end in a L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 They gave him a mega contract because of 8 games. It was a mistake from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, Villain The Foe said: They gave him a mega contract because of 8 games. It was a mistake from the start. ah, the scott mitchell fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, drdetroit said: Yet he's still way better than any QB on our roster So you'd rather have Osweiller long-term for $18 million per season than being able to draft/develop a QB on the cheap, or sign Glennon and move forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said: They gave him a mega contract because of 8 games. It was a mistake from the start. I don't disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, phill1c said: Osweiller has upside. He's not a 33-year old career loser. He sucks. Our loser is 6 games away from being gone and the team able to move forward. Texans are stuck with Osweiller for $18 mil per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Yet he's still way better than any QB on our roster You can't really know that. He has 7 more games than Petty and 8 more games than Hackenburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, phill1c said: I don't disagree. I cant wait to see what type of Contract Mike Glennon receives...given that he's MUCH better than Brock. @AFJF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, AFJF said: He sucks. Our loser is 6 games away from being gone and the team able to move forward. Texans are stuck with Osweiller for $18 mil per season. Hmm, the notion that less than a single season means anything seems hysterical. He was good enough to get a contract and to lead Denver somewhere last year. Long-term, the questions have not been answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, Villain The Foe said: I cant wait to see what type of Contract Mike Glennon receives...given that he's MUCH better than Brock. @AFJF I've said that many times this off-season. Somebody is gonna' get a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, phill1c said: Hmm, the notion that less than a single season means anything seems hysterical. He was good enough to get a contract and to lead Denver somewhere last year. Long-term, the questions have not been answered. He was about as good as if not worse than rookie Sanchez. Best defense in the NFL carried him to a few wins before Denver went back to the lowest rated QB in the NFL to take his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Osweiler's deal is 2/37. Sucks because he's clearly not the answer at QB for the Texans but they can move on from him pretty much scot free after 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, UpstateJetsGuru said: Texans can win games despite poor quarterbacking. That is an envious situation. Even when Jets QB plays well, there is a good chance it will end in a L. You know what's sad about this post . There are some folks who think what Fitzpatrick accomplished last yr and had done this yr when he has played well is good QB play . Imagine this scenario, in a yr when you set career records, nobody wants you, not even the team you set the records for . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, AFJF said: I've said that many times this off-season. Somebody is gonna' get a bargain. I would cry tears of absolute joy and bliss if Maccagnan pulled that off. Glennon went 10-11 with a TD and a 2pt conversion. Jets fans said that "it was garbage time and the defense was playing off". Well Petty was in the same situation where the Rams defense was playing off and keeping the play in front of them and the series ended with an interception. Mike Glennon is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, AFJF said: So you'd rather have Osweiller long-term for $18 million per season than being able to draft/develop a QB on the cheap, or sign Glennon and move forward? I would take Glennon over Osweiler but there's no guarantee we sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said: I would cry tears of absolute joy and bliss if Maccagnan pulled that off. Glennon went 10-11 with a TD and a 2pt conversion. Jets fans said that "it was garbage time and the defense was playing off". Well Petty was in the same situation where the Rams defense was playing off and keeping the play in front of them and the series ended with an interception. Mike Glennon is a beast. Hopefully we get him inthe offseason but knowing the stupidity of this franchise we'll either sign Cutler or trade a first round pick for Romo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, phill1c said: Osweiller has upside. He's not a 33-year old career loser. The best thing you can say about him is he's young. And he isn't THAT young. He's 26 and had 4 years to learn in a good system. Clearly he either learned very little or he sucks. I think it's the latter. When John Elway casts off a QB, you know that QB isn't very good. The Broncos went from 2 QB's on the roster (Peyton and Osweiler) to none, and filled those gaps with Mark Sanchez, Paxton Lynch, and Trevor Siemian. If they thought Brock had any ceiling whatsoever, they would have kept him and not taken a fairly questionable QB prospect in the first round. Also, the Texans have been terrible at evaluating QB's for basically their franchise's entire history. So they don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt on this call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Yet he's still way better than any QB on our roster prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, AFJF said: He was about as good as if not worse than rookie Sanchez. Best defense in the NFL carried him to a few wins before Denver went back to the lowest rated QB in the NFL to take his job. Ok, I can see some logic to this opinion. But are you talking about Peyton Manning, HOFer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: The best thing you can say about him is he's young. And he isn't THAT young. He's 26 and had 4 years to learn in a good system. Clearly he either learned very little or he sucks. I think it's the latter. When John Elway casts off a QB, you know that QB isn't very good. The Broncos went from 2 QB's on the roster (Peyton and Osweiler) to none, and filled those gaps with Mark Sanchez, Paxton Lynch, and Trevor Siemian. If they thought Brock had any ceiling whatsoever, they would have kept him and not taken a fairly questionable QB prospect in the first round. I think Elway wanted to keep him, it was Brock who didn't want to stay in Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: The best thing you can say about him is he's young. And he isn't THAT young. He's 26 and had 4 years to learn in a good system. Clearly he either learned very little or he sucks. I think it's the latter. When John Elway casts off a QB, you know that QB isn't very good. The Broncos went from 2 QB's on the roster (Peyton and Osweiler) to none, and filled those gaps with Mark Sanchez, Paxton Lynch, and Trevor Siemian. If they thought Brock had any ceiling whatsoever, they would have kept him and not taken a fairly questionable QB prospect in the first round. Also, the Texans have been terrible at evaluating QB's. So they don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt on this call. Hey, I have no skin in this game. And, I must admit that my judgement may be clouded by the POS old guy we keep trotting out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, phill1c said: Ok, I can see some logic to this opinion. But are you talking about Peyton Manning, HOFer? Yes. Peyton was horrible last year. The fact that Osweiler couldn't take the job from him, nor convince Elway he was worth the money in the offseason, are 2 strikes against him. His failure in Houston is likely strike 3. But they can't do much about it. He's the guy at QB for at least 2017 and maybe 2018 too. It shouldn't make us feel good about OUR QB situation though. We're a franchise that is just as bad at Houston at evaluating QB's. So it's very likely that Petty and Hackenberg both suck, and so will our next QB we draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Yes. Peyton was horrible last year. The fact that Osweiler couldn't take the job from him, nor convince Elway he was worth the money in the offseason, are 2 strikes against him. His failure in Houston is likely strike 3. But they can't do much about it. He's the guy at QB for at least 2017 and maybe 2018 too. Hmm, so it's not really just "the lowest rated QB in the league" now was it? It was a two-time SB winning QB... Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, peebag said: I think Elway wanted to keep him, it was Brock who didn't want to stay in Denver. Of course he wanted to stay in Denver. He had a great situation there. Even with terrible QB play overall they won a Super Bowl. Elway just didn't want to pay him the kind of coin Osweiler felt he was worth on the open market. And rightly so. Osweiler sucks and did nothing to prove he deserved that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Hopefully we get him inthe offseason but knowing the stupidity of this franchise we'll either sign Cutler or trade a first round pick for Romo Cutler, Romo or surprisingly Geno will probably be our starter next season. I hate this team lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, Villain The Foe said: Cutler, Romo or surprisingly Geno will probably be our starter next season. I hate this team lol. Maybe, No and Hell No...IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, phill1c said: Hmm, so it's not really just "the lowest rated QB in the league" now was it? It was a two-time SB winning QB... Just sayin. You're right that it's not that simple. Even though Peyton's body had failed him, he was still very good at managing the offense. But arguing Peyton was anything other than terrible at actually making throws means you weren't paying attention. He was truly awful last year. History will not remember that about his 2nd Super Bowl, but its the truth. And it's worth noting in any discussion involving Osweiler. Osweiler had a golden opportunity to take the job last year AND for the foreseeable future, but couldn't convince Elway to pay up. Elway looks very smart in the aftermath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: You're right that it's not that simple. Even though Peyton's body had failed him, he was still very good at managing the offense. But arguing Peyton was anything other than terrible at actually making throws means you weren't paying attention. He was truly awful last year. History will not remember that about his 2nd Super Bowl, but its the truth. And it's worth noting in any discussion involving Osweiler. He had a golden opportunity to take the job last year AND for the foreseeable future, but couldn't convince Elway to pay up. Elway looks very smart in the aftermath. No, I saw the player formerly known as Peyton Manning play like garbage and still win a SB. Osweiller is maybe a modern-day Neil O'Donnell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Just now, phill1c said: No, I saw the player formerly known as Peyton Manning play like garbage and still win a SB. Osweiller is maybe a modern-day Neil O'Donnell. And you don't pay a modern-day Neil O'Donnell $18M per on a long-term deal. Sounds like we're on the same page here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: You're right that it's not that simple. Even though Peyton's body had failed him, he was still very good at managing the offense. But arguing Peyton was anything other than terrible at actually making throws means you weren't paying attention. He was truly awful last year. History will not remember that about his 2nd Super Bowl, but its the truth. And it's worth noting in any discussion involving Osweiler. Osweiler had a golden opportunity to take the job last year AND for the foreseeable future, but couldn't convince Elway to pay up. Elway looks very smart in the aftermath. Exactly. Manning, as it stands today, is still a 2x SB champ. If he came out of retirement, how many teams would pay him like a HOF,2x SB winner, if any at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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