In the game of Chess..Abraham is losing

[The Fat Man]

The Seahawks have a first-class organization. From top to bottom I was really impressed." - DE John Abraham on his visit with the Seahawks as he looks into getting traded away from the Jets.

I guess he wasn't that impressed! Why would he visit Seattle in the first place?

Jets want Schaub and 2nd rounder for Abe from Falcons and Falcons refuse. Instead they basically offer Abe a contract without working out a deal with the team he is contracted with. Rich McKay may be the next Commish so we better be careful with this deal.

Jets sign Ramsey and no longer require Schaub. Falcons offer TJ Duckett and 2nd rounder and Jets refuse.

Seattle offers 31st pick to Jets and Abraham refused to want to go there and play. (See above) Seattle then sign Peterson.

Whats next? The bottom line is that Mangini and Tannenbaum want to teach Abraham a lesson and get the best situation for the Jets at the same time.

Abraham is the loser in all this anyway! His credibility is rapidly declining as each day passes and the window of opportunity is closing. The Jets should not trade him and let him sit out 2006 or he can do what he does best...fake another injury.

[Boozer76]

Abe's flat out denial of SEA really shows his priorities. SEA is a team that has all the peices in place to make a consecutive run at the SB and Abe would rather go to ATL to play for one of the most erratic teams with the most erratic QB. Smart.

[Dunta_23]

Abe wants $$$$$$$....thats all....and he wants it from who he says he wants it from...he is just a spoiled player( just like TO) who will eventually get what he wants...

[mbn007]

Abe's flat out denial of SEA really shows his priorities. SEA is a team that has all the peices in place to make a consecutive run at the SB and Abe would rather go to ATL to play for one of the most erratic teams with the most erratic QB. Smart.

Agreed.

Seattttle has the overall defense, and Abe would be a class 1 upgrade to the pass rush. The running game is already in place, and there is a good winning QB in town. The WRs are at least adequate, overall, as a group.

If Abe really wanted to win, that is teh best situation. But regardless, it is well better than the Falcon situation, which is 1 hit on Vick away from a top 5 pick.

[QuikVick_26]

I swear, you guys can be really dumb sometimes.

Thats how trades work! You first make sure you can agree upon a contract with the player you want if you don't want their current contract (or a franchise tag). if you can't do that, theres no point. Or else you are put in seattle situation, got an agreement with the team, but not one with the player, and see now as the player refuses to negotiate with you as he already got a deal with another team.

Also

If Abe really wanted to win, that is teh best situation. But regardless, it is well better than the Falcon situation, which is 1 hit on Vick away from a top 5 pick.

ok, please, name one team, just one team, that this wouldn't be true for? Say if the colts lost peyton manning, the pats lost tom brady. Exactly...

[SouthernJet]

I swear, you guys can be really dumb sometimes.

Thats how trades work! You first make sure you can agree upon a contract with the player you want if you don't want their current contract (or a franchise tag). if you can't do that, theres no point. Or else you are put in seattle situation, got an agreement with the team, but not one with the player, and see now as the player refuses to negotiate with you as he already got a deal with another team.

Also

ok, please, name one team, just one team, that this wouldn't be true for? Say if the colts lost peyton manning, the pats lost tom brady. Exactly...

u r not serious are u?

u think belly would coach that team to a bottom 5 record if brady went down?

colts,,maybe?

belly, uh no

[gsnts725]

if the falcons want him so bad give us their 1st pick or are they worried he's going to cry like he did with the Jets?

[MiamiJet]

I swear, you guys can be really dumb sometimes.

Thats how trades work! You first make sure you can agree upon a contract with the player you want if you don't want their current contract (or a franchise tag). if you can't do that, theres no point. Or else you are put in seattle situation, got an agreement with the team, but not one with the player, and see now as the player refuses to negotiate with you as he already got a deal with another team.

Also

ok, please, name one team, just one team, that this wouldn't be true for? Say if the colts lost peyton manning, the pats lost tom brady. Exactly...

I think most people here understand that it's customary for players in Abe's situation to come to a contract agreement befroe being traded as part of any deal. It makes sense.

What grinds our gears is the fact the the Falcons are trying to fleece our team and not part with their #1, or Schaub and picks. If you wanta 3X Pro Bowler, in his prime, you must part with equal compensation. The falcons are basically trying to give us nothing and take Manhattan.

One thing. Teams lose their starting qb's all the time and still have successful records.

The Bears, Vikings, and Bucs all lost their starters for long stretches and still managed winning records. New England began their championship run after losing their starting qb, Bledsoe, and St. louis also won a championship after losing Trent Green in preseason.

[Smizzy]

I think most people here understand that it's customary for players in Abe's situation to come to a contract agreement befroe being traded as part of any deal. It makes sense.

What grinds our gears is the fact the the Falcons are trying to fleece our team and not part with their #1, or Schaub and picks. If you wanta 3X Pro Bowler, in his prime, you must part with equal compensation. The falcons are basically trying to give us nothing and take Manhattan.

One thing. Teams lose their starting qb's all the time and still have successful records.

The Bears, Vikings, and Bucs all lost their starters for long stretches and still managed winning records. New England began their championship run after losing their starting qb, Bledsoe, and St. louis also won a championship after losing Trent Green in preseason.

<Insert QuikVicks gay OWNED photo here>

[QuikVick_26]

I think most people here understand that it's customary for players in Abe's situation to come to a contract agreement befroe being traded as part of any deal. It makes sense.

What grinds our gears is the fact the the Falcons are trying to fleece our team and not part with their #1, or Schaub and picks. If you wanta 3X Pro Bowler, in his prime, you must part with equal compensation. The falcons are basically trying to give us nothing and take Manhattan.

One thing. Teams lose their starting qb's all the time and still have successful records.

The Bears, Vikings, and Bucs all lost their starters for long stretches and still managed winning records. New England began their championship run after losing their starting qb, Bledsoe, and St. louis also won a championship after losing Trent Green in preseason.

finally, a civilized jet fan.

I understand that you want more for abe, but the falcons are just trying to examine all their options. a 1st rounder is worth alot this year, especially since its a top-half pick. Abe is a good player, no doubt, but hes a unhappy player with the jets, and it makes no sense in giving up more than they might have too. Honestly speaking, there is only 2 d-ends in the entire nfl that are worth a good 1st round pick, and they're peppers and freeney. besides them, no de is worth a mid 1st pick alone.

your second point, well for starters, being accurate, It's probaly not-true that if you lose your starting qb, you be a top 5 pick. it wouldn't be true for the falcons either. going back-to the fact that when we lost vick in 03' our defense is the reason we lost. we were dead-last in almost every category. But still, if you lose your starting qb, that pretty much kills your play-off chances. now there are a few instances where your starting qb goes down, and your no-name back-up does great, but thats only happened twice in this modern era, and those two qbs were tom brady and kurt warner. one was league mvp, other arguably the best in the nfl. as for the bears, bucs and vikings, that was more on their defense playing great.

[raffyD]

finally, a civilized jet fan.

I understand that you want more for abe, but the falcons are just trying to examine all their options. a 1st rounder is worth alot this year, especially since its a top-half pick. Abe is a good player, no doubt, but hes a unhappy player with the jets, and it makes no sense in giving up more than they might have too. Honestly speaking, there is only 2 d-ends in the entire nfl that are worth a good 1st round pick, and they're peppers and freeney. besides them, no de is worth a mid 1st pick alone.

your second point, well for starters, being accurate, It's probaly not-true that if you lose your starting qb, you be a top 5 pick. it wouldn't be true for the falcons either. going back-to the fact that when we lost vick in 03' our defense is the reason we lost. we were dead-last in almost every category. But still, if you lose your starting qb, that pretty much kills your play-off chances. now there are a few instances where your starting qb goes down, and your no-name back-up does great, but thats only happened twice in this modern era, and those two qbs were tom brady and kurt warner. one was league mvp, other arguably the best in the nfl. as for the bears, bucs and vikings, that was more on their defense playing great.

If you value your #15 so much go out and try and get a pass rushing de of Abe's caliber at #15 and leave us alone. You wouldn't do that and I'll tell you why, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T get that at #15. Now go get your shoe box.

[MiamiJet]

finally, a civilized jet fan.

I understand that you want more for abe, but the falcons are just trying to examine all their options. a 1st rounder is worth alot this year, especially since its a top-half pick. Abe is a good player, no doubt, but hes a unhappy player with the jets, and it makes no sense in giving up more than they might have too. Honestly speaking, there is only 2 d-ends in the entire nfl that are worth a good 1st round pick, and they're peppers and freeney. besides them, no de is worth a mid 1st pick alone.

your second point, well for starters, being accurate, It's probaly not-true that if you lose your starting qb, you be a top 5 pick. it wouldn't be true for the falcons either. going back-to the fact that when we lost vick in 03' our defense is the reason we lost. we were dead-last in almost every category. But still, if you lose your starting qb, that pretty much kills your play-off chances. now there are a few instances where your starting qb goes down, and your no-name back-up does great, but thats only happened twice in this modern era, and those two qbs were tom brady and kurt warner. one was league mvp, other arguably the best in the nfl. as for the bears, bucs and vikings, that was more on their defense playing great.

The options are pretty simple. The Falcons need a pass rusher like Abe. The problem is that there isn't anyone in the draft as good as Abe is right now. Abe is a proven vet, in his prime and has 3 Pro Bowls under his belt.

Given your draft position, the Falcons will have to reach for a tweener, or the next best DE option. There is no guarantee that the pick will pan out. What is guaranteed, is that Abe can get to the QB and, if healthy, will chock up 10+ sacks, a few FFs and be a terror on that fast inside track of yours. He makes you better. Abraham makes you better, far better than your #1 pick will make you, yet you're unwilling to part with it. This is unreasonable.

Why isn't Abraham worthy of a #1 pick? No one has been able to debate this with me. Aside from Freeney, Peppers and Kearse, no other DE has as many sacks as Abraham since '99. Abe has more than Kearse in the last 5 years. Historically, Top Ten, Top Five DE's HAVE been traded for #1 picks.

How quickly you forget Kevin Carter being traded to Tennessee for a #1. Carter had very similar stats to Abe and was 28 when the deal was made.

So what if Abraham is unhappy? You can try to take advantage of the Jets and acquire him for less than his market value, but you must also understand that the jets may disagree and walk away from the table. Who does this hurt more, Atlanta or NY? NY could simply bring his ass back this season, and force him to replay this charade again.

You are not looking at the big picture. This is more than Abraham vs The Jets, or the Jets vs. Atlanta. This is about a first time head coach in his 30's and a first year GM, staking their claim. If they get abused by Atlanta, it would be a signal to every Poston, Condon, GM, player and coach in the league that they can be taken for granted, and any respect they have would be thrown out the window.

This is about respect. The Jets cannot afford to bow down and trade Abe to the team he wants, for what little comp they want, simply to make a deal. Either the Jets get the deal they want, or something reasonably close, or the deal is off.

[raffyD]

The options are pretty simple. The Falcons need a pass rusher like Abe. The problem is that there isn't anyone in the draft as good as Abe is right now. Abe is a proven vet, in his prime and has 3 Pro Bowls under his belt.

Given your draft position, the Falcons will have to reach for a tweener, or the next best DE option. There is no guarantee that the pick will pan out. What is guaranteed, is that Abe can get to the QB and, if healthy, will chock up 10+ sacks, a few FFs and be a terror on that fast inside track of yours. He makes you better. Abraham makes you better, far better than your #1 pick will make you, yet you're unwilling to part with it. This is unreasonable.

Why isn't Abraham worthy of a #1 pick? No one has been able to debate this with me. Aside from Freeney, Peppers and Kearse, no other DE has as many sacks as Abraham since '99. Abe has more than Kearse in the last 5 years. Historically, Top Ten, Top Five DE's HAVE been traded for #1 picks.

How quickly you forget Kevin Carter being traded to Tennessee for a #1. Carter had very similar stats to Abe and was 28 when the deal was made.

So what if Abraham is unhappy? You can try to take advantage of the Jets and acquire him for less than his market value, but you must also understand that the jets may disagree and walk away from the table. Who does this hurt more, Atlanta or NY? NY could simply bring his ass back this season, and force him to replay this charade again.

You are not looking at the big picture. This is more than Abraham vs The Jets, or the Jets vs. Atlanta. This is about a first time head coach in his 30's and a first year GM, staking their claim. If they get abused by Atlanta, it would be a signal to every Poston, Condon, GM, player and coach in the league that they can be taken for granted, and any respect they have would be thrown out the window.

This is about respect. The Jets cannot afford to bow down and trade Abe to the team he wants, for what little comp they want, simply to make a deal. Either the Jets get the deal they want, or something reasonably close, or the deal is off.

[Smizzy]

The options are pretty simple. The Falcons need a pass rusher like Abe. The problem is that there isn't anyone in the draft as good as Abe is right now. Abe is a proven vet, in his prime and has 3 Pro Bowls under his belt.

Given your draft position, the Falcons will have to reach for a tweener, or the next best DE option. There is no guarantee that the pick will pan out. What is guaranteed, is that Abe can get to the QB and, if healthy, will chock up 10+ sacks, a few FFs and be a terror on that fast inside track of yours. He makes you better. Abraham makes you better, far better than your #1 pick will make you, yet you're unwilling to part with it. This is unreasonable.

Why isn't Abraham worthy of a #1 pick? No one has been able to debate this with me. Aside from Freeney, Peppers and Kearse, no other DE has as many sacks as Abraham since '99. Abe has more than Kearse in the last 5 years. Historically, Top Ten, Top Five DE's HAVE been traded for #1 picks.

How quickly you forget Kevin Carter being traded to Tennessee for a #1. Carter had very similar stats to Abe and was 28 when the deal was made.

So what if Abraham is unhappy? You can try to take advantage of the Jets and acquire him for less than his market value, but you must also understand that the jets may disagree and walk away from the table. Who does this hurt more, Atlanta or NY? NY could simply bring his ass back this season, and force him to replay this charade again.

You are not looking at the big picture. This is more than Abraham vs The Jets, or the Jets vs. Atlanta. This is about a first time head coach in his 30's and a first year GM, staking their claim. If they get abused by Atlanta, it would be a signal to every Poston, Condon, GM, player and coach in the league that they can be taken for granted, and any respect they have would be thrown out the window.

This is about respect. The Jets cannot afford to bow down and trade Abe to the team he wants, for what little comp they want, simply to make a deal. Either the Jets get the deal they want, or something reasonably close, or the deal is off.

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[j e t s]

You know what really grinds my gears? When I can't find th droids I'm looking for.

[bitonti]

eff Johnny Abe and the ATL falcons. What's the worst thing that can happens he plays football for the Jets and they pay him 8 mil?

please this dunce is too dumb to figure out that long term committment is BS compared to getting paid an extra 8 mil before that big contract? What is he so unhappy about?

The Falcons want our FRANCHISE player they need to give at least a 1st rounder. Schaub shouldn't have been taken off the table that dude walks in a year and we've got Brooks Friggin Bollinger and Vinny.

EFF The Falcons, Keep Abe.

[MiamiJet]

eff Johnny Abe and the ATL falcons. What's the worst thing that can happens he plays football for the Jets and they pay him 8 mil?

please this dunce is too dumb to figure out that long term committment is BS compared to getting paid an extra 8 mil before that big contract? What is he so unhappy about?

The Falcons want our FRANCHISE player they need to give at least a 1st rounder. Schaub shouldn't have been taken off the table that dude walks in a year and we've got Brooks Friggin Bollinger and Vinny.

EFF The Falcons, Keep Abe.

You, me, Ham and others feel the same way. This is a new regime, and they cannot afford to cave in. They have far more to lose in this than just Abraham. They handled the Chad Pennington situation very well, despite Tom Condon and Chad initially stating that they would not budge on redoing his deal.

That scenario spoke volumes about Mangini and Tannenbaum and so will this.

People bring up the argument that Abe was "wronged" by the franchise, but the only agreement he had was with the old regime. Everything changes when a new coach and GM are hired. He has to understand this.

This is about respect and principle and how the organization is perceived. How Mangini and Tannenbaum are veiwed. Difficult times ask for difficult measures. Either get the deal we need or walk.

[stormshadow19]

The options are pretty simple. The Falcons need a pass rusher like Abe. The problem is that there isn't anyone in the draft as good as Abe is right now. Abe is a proven vet, in his prime and has 3 Pro Bowls under his belt.

Given your draft position, the Falcons will have to reach for a tweener, or the next best DE option. There is no guarantee that the pick will pan out. What is guaranteed, is that Abe can get to the QB and, if healthy, will chock up 10+ sacks, a few FFs and be a terror on that fast inside track of yours. He makes you better. Abraham makes you better, far better than your #1 pick will make you, yet you're unwilling to part with it. This is unreasonable.

Why isn't Abraham worthy of a #1 pick? No one has been able to debate this with me. Aside from Freeney, Peppers and Kearse, no other DE has as many sacks as Abraham since '99. Abe has more than Kearse in the last 5 years. Historically, Top Ten, Top Five DE's HAVE been traded for #1 picks.

How quickly you forget Kevin Carter being traded to Tennessee for a #1. Carter had very similar stats to Abe and was 28 when the deal was made.

So what if Abraham is unhappy? You can try to take advantage of the Jets and acquire him for less than his market value, but you must also understand that the jets may disagree and walk away from the table. Who does this hurt more, Atlanta or NY? NY could simply bring his ass back this season, and force him to replay this charade again.

You are not looking at the big picture. This is more than Abraham vs The Jets, or the Jets vs. Atlanta. This is about a first time head coach in his 30's and a first year GM, staking their claim. If they get abused by Atlanta, it would be a signal to every Poston, Condon, GM, player and coach in the league that they can be taken for granted, and any respect they have would be thrown out the window.

This is about respect. The Jets cannot afford to bow down and trade Abe to the team he wants, for what little comp they want, simply to make a deal. Either the Jets get the deal they want, or something reasonably close, or the deal is off.

Quoted for truth.

It's not as if this isn't what I've been saying or anything.

You see, QV, your team needs to up their deal, to get the Jets intrested, not the other way around. Your boys want something the Jets have. The Jets hold all the cards.

[MiamiJet]

Checkmate.

The deal for Abe and picks has worked out, but more importantly, the Jets FO has shown that they have a pair of brass seeds. It was important that they prove to the league, players, coaches, GMs, agents, and media types, that they would not cave in to John Abraham or Atlanta.

Good job.

Now, we can concentrate on our draft talk and FA.

[stormshadow19]

and, if I'm not mistaken, Atlanta doesn't have a first round pick anymore, and doesn't pick until their mid second round pick. And gained a third and fourth. And a DE who will probably have a good year. For a "rebuilding" team, the Jets did damn good, and the front office showed they're not the same old Jets.