AFJF Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 The following is a list of the maximum amount of money each of the NFL teams has remaining to spend under the salary cap. Figures are as of last Thursday. 1. Tampa Bay $42.8 million 2. New Orleans $31.1 million 3. Kansas City $30.0 million 4. Tennessee $27.2 million 5. Buffalo $26.6 million 6. Jacksonville $26.2 million 7. Green Bay $24.4 million 8. Chicago $22.5 million 9. Miami $21.0 million 10. San Diego $18.7 million 11. Minnesota $18.6 million 12. Houston $15.6 million 13. Denver $15.2 million 14. San Francisco $15.0 million 15. St. Louis $14.6 million 16. Philadelphia $13.9 million 17. Cincinnati $13.3 million 18. Atlanta $12.5 million 19. Cleveland $12.0 million 20. New York Giants $11.1 million 21. New England $10.8 million 22. Seattle $9.1 million 23. Carolina $8.3 million 24. Washington $7.7 million 25. Indianapolis $7.6 million 26. Oakland $6.4 million 27. Baltimore $4.7 million 28. New York Jets $4.5 million 29. Detroit $4.4 million 30. Dallas $3.9 million 31. Pittsburgh $1.3 million 32. Arizona $310,078 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ummm I tried looking back but I thought I remember Sperm mentioning we had more left. Of course there is the pending Robertson fiasco but still.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Fitzgerald has the Cardinals by teh ears right now. That is a really bad situation and the horse is out of the barn already. It is a wated offseason becaue a player and club can not get together, or a player is being unreasonable. I don't know which it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Fitzgerald has the Cardinals by teh ears right now. That is a really bad situation and the horse is out of the barn already. It is a wated offseason becaue a player and club can not get together, or a player is being unreasonable. I don't know which it is. Well think about it. He's due 31M over the next 2 seasons in base salary. Why would he take much less than 30M guaranteed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_monkey Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 That's not much room to sign the draft picks, and the FA's we're still looking at (like Utecht). I don't see how they'll be able to hold on to D.Rob as a back-up, like some people suggested, with these numbers. His fat contract has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well think about it. He's due 31M over the next 2 seasons in base salary. Why would he take much less than 30M guaranteed? He has to restructure it. He hit incentives that the Cardinals thought he would never hit-Their problem, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I had us at $7.5M under, but I didn't calculate Thomas Jones' contract correctly initially & missed what apparently is a $2.1M roster bonus this year. Also I had forgotten to change Pennington's $4.8M salary to $6.0M. So I have us at $4.2M under. If I'm even within $2M on a cap this high, I'm comfortable with the accuracy. Here's what I have (in cap hit order): ROBERTSON, DEWAYNE $ 11,895,238 PENNINGTON, CHAD $ 9,000,000 COLES, LAVERANUES $ 6,750,000 JENKINS, KRIS $ 5,900,000 FANECA, ALAN $ 5,640,000 ELLIS, SHAUN $ 5,577,059 FERGUSON, D'BRICKASHAW $ 5,236,667 BARRETT, DAVID $ 4,350,000 BARTON, ERIC $ 4,115,000 WOODY, DAMIEN $ 4,060,000 REVIS, DARRELLE $ 3,847,500 JONES, THOMAS $ 5,600,000 THOMAS, BRYAN $ 3,300,000 COTCHERY, JERRICHO $ 3,005,000 COLEMAN, KENYON $ 2,995,000 PACE, CALVIN $ 2,833,333 MOORE, BRANDON $ 2,183,438 BOWENS, DAVID $ 2,016,667 POUHA, SIONE $ 1,613,250 MANGOLD, NICK $ 1,570,000 BAKER, CHRIS $ 1,381,479 GRAHAM, BEN $ 932,500 CLEMENS, KELLEN $ 847,500 CHATHAM, MATT $ 838,333 RICHARDSON, TONY $ 830,000 HARRIS, DAVID $ 818,625 HAWKINS, ARTRELL $ 730,000 DEARTH, JAMES $ 720,000 SPENCER, CODY $ 700,000 MILLER, JUSTIN $ 688,750 NUGENT, MIKE $ 685,000 RHODES, KERRY $ 623,000 KASSELL, BRAD $ 605,000 SMITH, ERIC $ 588,125 SMITH, BRAD $ 563,250 WASHINGTON, LEON $ 552,313 HUNTER, WAYNE $ 520,000 MOSELY, CJ $ 520,000 POCIASK, JASON $ 587,031 COLEMAN, DREW $ 468,250 MONTGOMERY, WILL $ 450,000 ELAM, ABRAM $ 445,000 JOHNSON, THOMAS $ 445,000 TUTT, STACY $ 445,000 WRIGHT, WALLACE $ 445,000 BENDER, JACOB $ 397,500 MURRELL, MARQUES $ 385,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 MCCAREINS, JUSTIN $ 2,333,333 KENDALL, PETE $ 1,950,000 VILMA, JONATHAN $ 1,206,000 DYSON, ANDRE $ 900,000 CLEMENT, ANTHONY $ 600,000 SCHLEGEL, ANTHONY $ 367,000 HOUSTON, CEDRIC $ 23,688 TOP 51 $ 110,179,808 DEAD CAP $ 7,380,021 --------------------- $117,529,829 2008 NYJ CAP = $121,781,789 CAP SPACE USED = $117,529,829 -------------------------------- SPACE REMAINING = $ 4,221,960 I haven't put Chatman's in yet, but he would displace one of the $370K minimum players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Wow sperm we need the 2 top people on that list to go away,Those 2 are holding up alot of cap space. We need to find a team to do a multi-player trade with, Chad & D-Rob for a cb and Wr wouldn't be bad at all. But from what Team is the real question??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I would feel comfortable saying the Jets did not make Cedric Houston's cap hit stretch 2 seasons. Same may be true with Schegel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I would feel comfortable saying the Jets did not make Cedric Houston's cap hit stretch 2 seasons. Same may be true with Schegel. They were both on the team past June 1 last year. So unless they were able to choose to take it all off in '07 (correctly or incorrectly, I was under the impression they didn't have a choice if it's a post-6/1 cut/trade), the normally scheduled SB amort comes off in '07 & the balance has to move to '08. Pretty small amounts anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I had us at $7.5M under, but I didn't calculate Thomas Jones' contract correctly initially & missed what apparently is a $2.1M roster bonus this year. Also I had forgotten to change Pennington's $4.8M salary to $6.0M. So I have us at $4.2M under. If I'm even within $2M on a cap this high, I'm comfortable with the accuracy. Here's what I have (in cap hit order): ROBERTSON, DEWAYNE $ 11,895,238 PENNINGTON, CHAD $ 9,000,000 COLES, LAVERANUES $ 6,750,000 JENKINS, KRIS $ 5,900,000 FANECA, ALAN $ 5,640,000 ELLIS, SHAUN $ 5,577,059 FERGUSON, D'BRICKASHAW $ 5,236,667 BARRETT, DAVID $ 4,350,000 BARTON, ERIC $ 4,115,000 WOODY, DAMIEN $ 4,060,000 REVIS, DARRELLE $ 3,847,500 JONES, THOMAS $ 5,600,000 THOMAS, BRYAN $ 3,300,000 COTCHERY, JERRICHO $ 3,005,000 COLEMAN, KENYON $ 2,995,000 PACE, CALVIN $ 2,833,333 MOORE, BRANDON $ 2,183,438 BOWENS, DAVID $ 2,016,667 POUHA, SIONE $ 1,613,250 MANGOLD, NICK $ 1,570,000 BAKER, CHRIS $ 1,381,479 GRAHAM, BEN $ 932,500 CLEMENS, KELLEN $ 847,500 CHATHAM, MATT $ 838,333 RICHARDSON, TONY $ 830,000 HARRIS, DAVID $ 818,625 HAWKINS, ARTRELL $ 730,000 DEARTH, JAMES $ 720,000 SPENCER, CODY $ 700,000 MILLER, JUSTIN $ 688,750 NUGENT, MIKE $ 685,000 RHODES, KERRY $ 623,000 KASSELL, BRAD $ 605,000 SMITH, ERIC $ 588,125 SMITH, BRAD $ 563,250 WASHINGTON, LEON $ 552,313 HUNTER, WAYNE $ 520,000 MOSELY, CJ $ 520,000 POCIASK, JASON $ 587,031 COLEMAN, DREW $ 468,250 MONTGOMERY, WILL $ 450,000 ELAM, ABRAM $ 445,000 JOHNSON, THOMAS $ 445,000 TUTT, STACY $ 445,000 WRIGHT, WALLACE $ 445,000 BENDER, JACOB $ 397,500 MURRELL, MARQUES $ 385,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 MCCAREINS, JUSTIN $ 2,333,333 KENDALL, PETE $ 1,950,000 VILMA, JONATHAN $ 1,206,000 DYSON, ANDRE $ 900,000 CLEMENT, ANTHONY $ 600,000 SCHLEGEL, ANTHONY $ 367,000 HOUSTON, CEDRIC $ 23,688 TOP 51 $ 110,179,808 DEAD CAP $ 7,380,021 --------------------- $117,529,829 2008 NYJ CAP = $121,781,789 CAP SPACE USED = $117,529,829 -------------------------------- SPACE REMAINING = $ 4,221,960 I haven't put Chatman's in yet, but he would displace one of the $370K minimum players. Your cap analysis has no zip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 There's other stuff I have no #'s for, like what (if any) SB Kassell received on his 3-yr extension. Also minor $5-10K workout bonuses for some players. Many have them but I really won't know what they are until USAToday updates their page at the close of the '08 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 There's other stuff I have no #'s for, like what (if any) SB Kassell received on his 3-yr extension. Also minor $5-10K workout bonuses for some players. Many have them but I really won't know what they are until USAToday updates their page at the close of the '08 season. So in essence, what you are telling us is that you are a monkey throwing at a dart board and telling us the number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 So in essence, what you are telling us is that you are a monkey throwing at a dart board and telling us the number Pretty sure a monkey would have had Pennington's correct cap #. It was widely reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Wow sperm we need the 2 top people on that list to go away,Those 2 are holding up alot of cap space. We need to find a team to do a multi-player trade with, Chad & D-Rob for a cb and Wr wouldn't be bad at all. But from what Team is the real question??? I agree about Robertson, he has to go. I agree with you about Chad only if the Jets get legit QB here to replace him, not some scrub who's sole purpose to is to warm a bench for Kellen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 They were both on the team past June 1 last year. So unless they were able to choose to take it all off in '07 (correctly or incorrectly, I was under the impression they didn't have a choice if it's a post-6/1 cut/trade), the normally scheduled SB amort comes off in '07 & the balance has to move to '08. Pretty small amounts anyway. Definitely small amounts. Teams always have the choice of taking the full hit in a given year. The "June 1" option is just there if desired. I believe the Giants did this a couple years ago with Sehorn.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Definitely small amounts. Teams always have the choice of taking the full hit in a given year. The "June 1" option is just there if desired. I believe the Giants did this a couple years ago with Sehorn.. Then given the cap room we had in August (est $10M), I can't believe they'd push some $390K onto the following year's cap instead of just eating it in '07 if they had that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I had us at $7.5M under, but I didn't calculate Thomas Jones' contract correctly initially & missed what apparently is a $2.1M roster bonus this year. Also I had forgotten to change Pennington's $4.8M salary to $6.0M. So I have us at $4.2M under. If I'm even within $2M on a cap this high, I'm comfortable with the accuracy. Here's what I have (in cap hit order): ROBERTSON, DEWAYNE $ 11,895,238 PENNINGTON, CHAD $ 9,000,000 COLES, LAVERANUES $ 6,750,000 JENKINS, KRIS $ 5,900,000 FANECA, ALAN $ 5,640,000 ELLIS, SHAUN $ 5,577,059 FERGUSON, D'BRICKASHAW $ 5,236,667 BARRETT, DAVID $ 4,350,000 BARTON, ERIC $ 4,115,000 WOODY, DAMIEN $ 4,060,000 REVIS, DARRELLE $ 3,847,500 JONES, THOMAS $ 5,600,000 THOMAS, BRYAN $ 3,300,000 COTCHERY, JERRICHO $ 3,005,000 COLEMAN, KENYON $ 2,995,000 PACE, CALVIN $ 2,833,333 MOORE, BRANDON $ 2,183,438 BOWENS, DAVID $ 2,016,667 POUHA, SIONE $ 1,613,250 MANGOLD, NICK $ 1,570,000 BAKER, CHRIS $ 1,381,479 GRAHAM, BEN $ 932,500 CLEMENS, KELLEN $ 847,500 CHATHAM, MATT $ 838,333 RICHARDSON, TONY $ 830,000 HARRIS, DAVID $ 818,625 HAWKINS, ARTRELL $ 730,000 DEARTH, JAMES $ 720,000 SPENCER, CODY $ 700,000 MILLER, JUSTIN $ 688,750 NUGENT, MIKE $ 685,000 RHODES, KERRY $ 623,000 KASSELL, BRAD $ 605,000 SMITH, ERIC $ 588,125 SMITH, BRAD $ 563,250 WASHINGTON, LEON $ 552,313 HUNTER, WAYNE $ 520,000 MOSELY, CJ $ 520,000 POCIASK, JASON $ 587,031 COLEMAN, DREW $ 468,250 MONTGOMERY, WILL $ 450,000 ELAM, ABRAM $ 445,000 JOHNSON, THOMAS $ 445,000 TUTT, STACY $ 445,000 WRIGHT, WALLACE $ 445,000 BENDER, JACOB $ 397,500 MURRELL, MARQUES $ 385,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 (NFL MINIMUM PLAYER) $ 370,000 MCCAREINS, JUSTIN $ 2,333,333 KENDALL, PETE $ 1,950,000 VILMA, JONATHAN $ 1,206,000 DYSON, ANDRE $ 900,000 CLEMENT, ANTHONY $ 600,000 SCHLEGEL, ANTHONY $ 367,000 HOUSTON, CEDRIC $ 23,688 TOP 51 $ 110,179,808 DEAD CAP $ 7,380,021 --------------------- $117,529,829 2008 NYJ CAP = $121,781,789 CAP SPACE USED = $117,529,829 -------------------------------- SPACE REMAINING = $ 4,221,960 I haven't put Chatman's in yet, but he would displace one of the $370K minimum players. Excellent analysis. I have seen some reports from around teh web that also has a 4.2 million remaining balance. My question to you is Pace, at 2.833 million. Shouldn't it be 3.142 million? Does he not have some 22 million in guaranteed money spread out over 7 years? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Excellent analysis. I have seen some reports from around teh web that also has a 4.2 million remaining balance. My question to you is Pace, at 2.833 million. Shouldn't it be 3.142 million? Does he not have some 22 million in guaranteed money spread out over 7 years? Thanks. I'm on a different computer now, but yes and no. Yes he has $20M or whatever guaranteed. No in that he didn't get it all yet as a $20M signing bonus. I took Pace's cap # from Cimini, who supposedly got it from the Jets. I'll post his breakdown (or the breakdown I used for a couple based on having the answer first & working backwards) later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'm on a different computer now, but yes and no. Yes he has $20M or whatever guaranteed. No in that he didn't get it all yet as a $20M signing bonus. I took Pace's cap # from Cimini, who supposedly got it from the Jets. I'll post his breakdown (or the breakdown I used for a couple based on having the answer first & working backwards) later. Please do, I'm a little confused on Pace's contract. He's supposed to have an $11M signing bonus + $9M roster bonus next year, but they say he has $22M guaranteed. Is that because they assume he'll make the '09 roster? If that $9M is actually guaranteed I don't see the purpose of pushing it to '09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'm on a different computer now, but yes and no. Yes he has $20M or whatever guaranteed. No in that he didn't get it all yet as a $20M signing bonus. I took Pace's cap # from Cimini, who supposedly got it from the Jets. I'll post his breakdown (or the breakdown I used for a couple based on having the answer first & working backwards) later. Pace has a 6 yr deal, and 20M is not guaranteed. I believe the guaranteed figure is in the 11-12 range.. Closer to 11. Those reports of 20M guaranteed are crap. Now, will he get at least 20M? He's due 9M roster bonus in 2009. So, on his 6 yr deal, if he ended up being a bust, the Jets could cut him, and have about 9.16M of dead cap space... potentially spread over 2 yrs. Or they can take the roster bonus in 2009, and take that huge hit, OR restructure making the roster bonus another signing bonus... However, options do exist to cut him if needed without a oh my god hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Pace has a 6 yr deal, and 20M is not guaranteed. I believe the guaranteed figure is in the 11-12 range.. Closer to 11. Those reports of 20M guaranteed are crap. Now, will he get at least 20M? He's due 9M roster bonus in 2009. So, on his 6 yr deal, if he ended up being a bust, the Jets could cut him, and have about 9.16M of dead cap space... potentially spread over 2 yrs. Or they can take the roster bonus in 2009, and take that huge hit, OR restructure making the roster bonus another signing bonus... However, options do exist to cut him if needed without a oh my god hit. Yeah, I don't remember if all of his bonus $ is guaranteed off-hand. Even so he clearly didn't get $20M up front. Thomas Jones apparently had a similar setup with us, with his $12M guaranteed. Think it was $6M SB, year 1 salary (I'm not looking at it now but think it was $900K?), $2.1M RB in 2007, $2.1M RB in 2008, $1.1M RB in 2009. Where the RB's may have been guaranteed but not his salary in '08 and beyond. That would come to $12.2M guaranteed. Net: -Jones gets the guaranteed $ he wanted ($12M). -He gets most of it ($8.1M) up front (doesn't have to wait for game-checks for the $2.1M RB). -We don't heavily back-load the contract by taking the most minimal hit possible in year one (by loading all $8.1M as a SB) which was traditionally done with these bigger deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Please do, I'm a little confused on Pace's contract. He's supposed to have an $11M signing bonus + $9M roster bonus next year, but they say he has $22M guaranteed. Is that because they assume he'll make the '09 roster? If that $9M is actually guaranteed I don't see the purpose of pushing it to '09. OK. I used: $11M signing bonus over 6 years ($1.83M), his $750K salary, and I guessed at a $250K workout/misc bonus (not at all unlikely) = $2.83M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I would feel comfortable saying the Jets did not make Cedric Houston's cap hit stretch 2 seasons. Same may be true with Schegel. Houston was still listed as on the team until yesterday on the nflpa site. To be honest - if he wasn't then I would have totally forgotten about him. Still probably Schlegel was absorbed in '07 if they could. I can't see them putting off his "hit" when they had the space back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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