124 Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Compares To: KEN DORSEY-Cleveland...With his lanky frame, Ainge is in dire need of a weight trainer to add bulk and strength. He lacks the foot speed to elude pocket pressure and his accuracy suffers when forced to throw after being flushed out of the pocket. He is a precise short-to-intermediate passer, but even though he puts a lot of air behind his deep throws, he fails to place it over the outside shoulder of his target. Because of his slight frame, he has had a fair share of injuries, but he is slow to recover, making one wonder if he has the physical and mental toughness to be more than a clipboard holder at the next level, much like Dorsey. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Ainge is not a good prospect IMO, I never liked him in college at all. I think he's a career backup to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 Oh Troll, are you avoiding this like the plague? Thought so. Erik Ainge is GARBAGE. I'd suspect a fan of an SEC team to know better. Guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 This is fun. See if you can find scouting reports for Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, and Matt Hasselbeck and see which assinine comparison it makes for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 This is fun. See if you can find scouting reports for Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, and Matt Hasselbeck and see which assinine comparison it makes for them. Anything to help good ol' Troll and his love for Chad Ainge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Anything to help good ol' Troll and his love for Chad Ainge. And anything to help good ol' 124 and his irrational hatred for Erik Ainge. Ken Dorsey clone, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 And anything to help good ol' 124 and his irrational hatred for Erik Ainge. Ken Dorsey clone, lol. Erik Ainge a starter in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Awesome. Don't you think it's a little crooked to post that out of context? The argument was that Ainge doesn't have good arm strength, wasn't it? Here is that very scouting report: Analysis Positives: Needs to add muscle tone, but has a frame that can carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk, good arm length and good-sized hands...Classic pocket passer who is very good at dealing with the mental side of the game, as he does a good job of scanning the field and attacking the soft spots, when he does not try to get too creative (will force throws because of confidence in his arm strength, but due to low trajectory, a good portion of his passes have been intercepted)...Smart, instinctive athlete with a good grasp of the playbook...Puts in the extra hours studying game film and is a respected team leader...Good program player with an easy-going personality...Lacks speed to escape pocket pressure, but is adequate driving back from center to his throwing point...Has a quick over-the-top release that helps him compensate for poor foot speed...Has marginal timed speed, but shows decent quickness driving away from center...Has adequate base and balance, but shows decent arm whip to get the ball out quickly...Puts good velocity on his deep throws and knows how to vary speed on those tosses to squeeze passes through tight spaces...Better when he stands in the pocket than when throwing from the outside hashes, as he does a nice job of scanning the field and making progression reads...Can hit his targets without the receiver having to make adjustments when throwing into the short area, but needs to do it with more consistency (more of a rhythm passer)...Has some hip rotation to put zip on his short throws, showing good touch in this area, especially on swing passes and screens...Utilizes all of his targets and is patient waiting for the play to develop, doing a nice job of looking off his primary target and locating his secondary receivers...Not really a vocal leader, but he has earned respect and is a good communicator who has control of the huddle...With his height, he is efficient looking over the line and making quick pre-snap decisions...Doesn't show consistency on the fade and deep routes, but does have the arm strength to air it out (needs to refine his foot mechanics)...Times his short-to-intermediate passes well, generally hitting receivers coming out of their breaks...Uses his over-the-top release to get the ball out quickly when the pocket is collapsing...Carries the ball chest-high and, when he plants to throw, he can unload the deep pass...In 2007, he showed much better timing on his throws, as he has seemed to have learned the concept of making good progression reads...Has decent touch on his vertical throws, but when he throws off the wrong foot, the ball will float. Negatives: Has a tall, slender frame, built more in the lines of a basketball forward than a football player...Has marginal muscle tone and definition with slender shoulders, but has a frame that can carry additional bulk...Displays marginal quickness on the move and loses accuracy when forced to throw when flushed out of the pocket...Does not have the speed to be a valid threat carrying the ball...Not the type of athlete that can play through pain and there are questions about his physical and mental toughness...Has good arm strength, but it is not always evident in his long throws, as he puts a lot of air behind those tosses and fails to place it along the outside shoulder of his target...Has an adequate feel for pressure and looks sluggish when sliding to avoid it...Lacks the loose hips to avoid the pass rush and does a poor job of setting his feet before throwing when flushed...Can put air behind his deep throws, but needs to step into those attempts better (will throw off his back foot at times), as he throws a lot of passes that are easily deflected due to low trajectory (had 51 throws deflected in 2007)...Has had a series of minor lingering injuries, raising durability concerns...When he stands in the pocket too long, it is because he fails to sense backside pressure...Must do a better job selling pump fakes; defensive backs don't usually bite...Needs to learn how to step up and out of the pocket, as his accuracy suffers on the move...Improved his foot mechanics as a senior, but when he fails to set his feet, he struggles with the follow through on his pass attempts...Will get into a rhythm where he misfires, but rather than hand the ball off, he will continue to fire into spots. Do you think they'd say the same things about Chad if they were scouting him in '08? Ainge is not a flawless prospect, but it was the 5th round. This is a negative scouting report, but If you draft a guy in the fifth that lasts five years in the league you shouldn't be bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 Well lets see Dom. Lets take this out of the Dorsey comparsion and compare that to Chad: They are both good short to intermediate passers, accurate with touch. When it comes to the deep ball, they can both throw it but both have plenty of air underneath it, giving the Defensive Backs plenty of time to recover and find the ball in the air. Chad can throw the deep ball, so can Ainge. Problem is, their arm strength limits their passes and I'm sorry, but Erik Ainge, as the same is with Pennington, isn't firing any 20, 25 yard bullets for first downs like Tom Brady. He's a game manager, just like Pennington. He also, like Pennington, always seems to be hurt. This guy is a Chad Pennington clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Erik Ainge a starter in the NFL. Sh_t, he just may be a starter, given the QB's we have. I hope Clemens can be what many believe he is. This is his 3rd year....Its time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Don't you think it's a little crooked to post that out of context? The argument was that Ainge doesn't have good arm strength, wasn't it? Here is that very scouting report: Do you think they'd say the same things about Chad if they were scouting him in '08? Ainge is not a flawless prospect, but it was the 5th round. This is a negative scouting report, but If you draft a guy in the fifth that lasts five years in the league you shouldn't be bitching. POTW nom. It's the ultimate in ironies that 124 posts a link to an article that says multiple times that Ainge has good arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 This is fun. See if you can find scouting reports for Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, and Matt Hasselbeck and see which assinine comparison it makes for them. http://jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?p=859758#post859758 They were from PFW. Said Tom Brady had trouble throwing spirals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Well lets see Dom. Lets take this out of the Dorsey comparsion and compare that to Chad: They are both good short to intermediate passers, accurate with touch. When it comes to the deep ball, they can both throw it but both have plenty of air underneath it, giving the Defensive Backs plenty of time to recover and find the ball in the air. Chad can throw the deep ball, so can Ainge. Problem is, their arm strength limits their passes and I'm sorry, but Erik Ainge, as the same is with Pennington, isn't firing any 20, 25 yard bullets for first downs like Tom Brady. He's a game manager, just like Pennington. He also, like Pennington, always seems to be hurt. This guy is a Chad Pennington clone. Bull****. First of all, if the guy ends up being identical to Chad without the injuries you'll all be sucking him off in three years. You don't like him and don't think he's got much upside, but there hasn't been one scouting report that said he has no arm strength and Chad ('08) has no arm strength. There is a monumental difference between having the arm strength and letting air get under you passes and what Chad does now. Besides, weren't you all into Matt Ryan? Did you hear? He doesn't exactly have Elway's arm either. I'll take Ainge in the 5th over Colt Brennan in the 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 27, 2008 Author Share Posted April 27, 2008 Yeah, sorry Dom, but nobody has said Erik Ainge has great arm strength. They have said its adequate, exactly what was said about Mr.Pennington. So maybe Ainge has 2002 Pennington arm strength, oh yipee. 14 games later and he was figured out. People backing Ainge right now, well, you're clearly blinded. I pray for you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Yeah, sorry Dom, but nobody has said Erik Ainge has great arm strength. They have said its adequate, exactly what was said about Mr.Pennington. So maybe Ainge has 2002 Pennington arm strength, oh yipee. 14 games later and he was figured out. People backing Ainge right now, well, you're clearly blinded. I pray for you all. Didn't say great. Said good. Didn't see any scouting reports that said it wasn't adequate for the NFL. Or even only adequate. They also said that he shows too much confidence in his arm strength and forces the ball. Sound like Pennington? Yup, they must be clones. He's a fifth round pick. If he's still here in three years I'll be impressed. Why shouldn't we back him now? Maybe you are blinded by the four or five times you saw him play because you don't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 28, 2008 Author Share Posted April 28, 2008 Four or five times? I see at least 6 Tennesse games, and you're right maybe it has been only four or five times since the rest of the time he is on the bench. Forces the ball? Yeah in big spots he does and wait a minute, as of late, so has Pick Six Pennington. Hmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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