guy is 0-3 in the world series with 5 innings per start and an ERA over 7
other than that he's 6-1 in the playoffs with a great ERA in the other series....
i do say it takes away from his "aura"
Is your opinion of Verlander different after last night?
Started by Blackout, Oct 25 2012 08:01 PM
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:01 PM
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:03 PM
His first two starts were his rookie season, right? Not going to judge him based off that... but last night he was rocked.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:32 AM
How is he a smug prick?
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:05 AM
How is he a smug prick?
If I was hitting this, I would be smug. Just sayin'.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:31 AM
I think it ABSOLUTELY diminishes is overall aura. How could anyone say differently? Did you guys forget what makes America...America? Fair or not it's the truth. Verlander may go down as a great but he will never be immortalized as an ALL TIME great with that WS record. Sorry.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:35 AM
I think it ABSOLUTELY diminishes is overall aura. How could anyone say differently? Did you guys forget what makes America...America? Fair or not it's the truth. Verlander may go down as a great but he will never be immortalized as an ALL TIME great with that WS record. Sorry.
True but he has plenty of years ahead of him to turn it around.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:55 AM
NBA Fact: The worst back-to-back home losses in Los Angeles Lakers history happened under the Kobe Bryant/Phil Jackson era in December of 2010
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:02 PM
Look at her FCKIN TIIIIIIIIIIITS!
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:55 PM
True but he has plenty of years ahead of him to turn it around.
Dan Marino thought the same after his first superbowl
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:46 PM
Tigers don't sniff the World Series or even the playoffs without him. It's asinine to think a handful of games make a difference in the bigger picture.
Agree but I think what Blackout means is if Verlander retired with these numbers you would always have a portion of fans who would point to his WS numbers when debating him against say a Jack Morris or John Smoltz.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:34 PM
Agree but I think what Blackout means is if Verlander retired with these numbers you would always have a portion of fans who would point to his WS numbers when debating him against say a Jack Morris or John Smoltz.
Well that portion of fans would be making a bad argument. Morris was very clutch, but Verlander will probably have a better career. I don't think Verlander will top Smoltz's resume though.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:18 PM
Agree but I think what Blackout means is if Verlander retired with these numbers you would always have a portion of fans who would point to his WS numbers when debating him against say a Jack Morris or John Smoltz.
Well then he can't crap on Schilling then. Haha.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:38 PM
It's just my impression of him from what I've seen. He seems very satisfied with himself. I would be too I guess.
I always hate seeing people who are satisfied with themselves as well. Life is suffering!
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:26 PM
As it stands now I think it absolutely does. Does he have to be Koufax (0.95 ERA in 4 world series)? No, you can look at Randy Johnson, who went through a 0-6 postseason stretch, however Johnson also has a World Series MVP to his name. There will definitely be a blemish next to Verlander's name until he can redeem himself on the big stage. Does it hurt HOF chances, no, he's obviously a great pitcher, but I think it hurts his "aura" as an all time immortal. Seaver's only like 1-2 but has a, I think, 2.70 ERA. I'm not saying you need to be perfect but he's got to at least have 1 shining moment imo. Not always fair but I think it's true.Tigers don't sniff the World Series or even the playoffs without him. It's asinine to think a handful of games make a difference in the bigger picture.
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