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[BlackDynamite]

Could have went Freeman- Mccoy in 2009 instead of Sanchez-Greene.

Yeah, that would've been great......
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[dbatesman]

Could have went Freeman- Mccoy in 2009 instead of Sanchez-Greene.

[Sperm Edwards]

Feel free to give any fact thats would prove that......
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I already did, so it seems a fruitless endeavor.

[T0mShane]

Could have went Freeman- Mccoy in 2009 instead of Sanchez-Greene.

At least the guy who gave Greene a first round grade didn't get promoted to personnel director or anything.

[BlackDynamite]

I already did, so it seems a fruitless endeavor.

Now you are wrong.

He's had two good years, and two bad years, which is what I said. So how is he anything more than mediocre?
How was I wrong?

Feel free to correct me, if you can......
BD

Edited by BlackDynamite, 23 November 2012 - 02:36 PM.

[Matt39]

At least the guy who gave Greene a first round grade didn't get promoted to personnel director or anything.

Every single person associated to the Jets scouting and front office need to be let go. Tannenbaum did a nice job signing all of those guys in 2008, but it was short term, and the drafting coinciding these quick fixes has been awful.

Sanchez being pathetic aside, we're playing two guys significantly on offense who werent even in the league during training camp...and that's not even Austin Howard.

[GimmeShelter]

He's been mediocre at best until this season, when he got a new coaching staff with Shianoe, so give the coach the credit for getting him to produce.

Maybe the Jets could learn something from this? Probably not in this case.......
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Agree. Last year he was taking the same step backwards that Sanchez was. Good to see him now look like the QB many thought he would.

[BlackDynamite]

Agree. Last year he was taking the same step backwards that Sanchez was. Good to see him now look like the QB many thought he would.

I wouldn't break my arm patting him on the back. His history says next year, he'll be worse than Sanchez......
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[Lupz27]

Could have went Freeman- Mccoy in 2009 instead of Sanchez-Greene.

Nicks, McCoy, sign J Cambell, draft a QB in late 1st, or 2nd round in 2010, and 2011, like Dalton, or Kaepernick let them sit behind the Cambell type QB, while the Jets win games, plug in said QB 2012 with a good Offensive supporting cast, the Jets could have had at SB win, and prob def at least a SB appearance by then, but we have an attention whore owner who has no patience to build a winner the right way, and continue to build the right way with a year or two in between where u are not great, but can always play good enough to win, while having windows of SB chances every couple of years, AKA the Steelers, Giants, Saints, Colts, Ravens, and now the 49ers, look like they will join this list to.

[Matt39]

Nicks, McCoy, sign J Cambell, draft a QB in late 1st, or 2nd round in 2010, and 2011, like Dalton, or Kaepernick let them sit behind the Cambell type QB, while the Jets win games, plug in said QB 2012 with a good Offensive supporting cast, the Jets could have had at SB win, and prob def at least a SB appearance by then, but we have an attention whore owner who has no patience to build a winner the right way, and continue to build the right way with a year or two in between where u are not great, but can always play good enough to win, while having windows of SB chances every couple of years, AKA the Steelers, Giants, Saints, Colts, Ravens, and now the 49ers, look like they will join this list to.

Yeah but then we wouldnt have those AFC Championship game participant rings.

[Lupz27]

Yeah but then we wouldnt have those AFC Championship game participant rings.

Lol, yea I guess I couldn't convince Woody to give those up for the rings that say you won those games, and possibly a ring for winning the BIG game.

[THE ILK]

But Gato said Freeman sucks.

[unbanmadmike1]

Could have went Freeman- Mccoy in 2009 instead of Sanchez-Greene.

That implies competence in the FO.

[sirlancemehlot]

Could have went Freeman- Mccoy in 2009 instead of Sanchez-Greene.

Right. And still had a third rd pick, our starting safety in Elam and all those picks we pissed away to get Greene.

[HDKostempski]

Now you are wrong.

He's had two good years, and two bad years, which is what I said. So how is he anything more than mediocre?
How was I wrong?

Feel free to correct me, if you can......
BD

That may be true, but Freeman's bad years have been pretty much on a par with Sanchez's numbers during those same years, and he had much less talent around him until this season when his team finally got him some weapons. Sanchez had a much better team around him in 2009 and 2010, and didn't put up particularly good numbers:

Freeman:
2009: 10 games, 9 starts, 54.5% completions, 1855 yds, 6.4 ypa, 10 TDs, 18 INTs, 2 lost fumbles, 20 sacks, 59.9 rating
2010: 16 games, 16 starts, 61.4% completions, 3451 yards, 7.3 ypa, 25 TDs, 6 INTs, 3 lost fumbles, 28 sacks, 95.9 rating
2011: 15 games, 15 starts. 62.8% completions, 3592 yards, 6.5 ypa, 16 TDs, 22 INTs, 5 lost fumbles, 29 sacks, 74.6 rating
2012: 10 games, 10 starts, 56.4% completions, 2505 yards, 7.9 ypa, 21 TDs, 7 INTs, 1 lost fumble, 14 sacks, 94.6 rating

Sanchez:
2009: 15 games, 15 starts, 53.8% completions, 2444 yards, 6.7 ypa, 12 TDs, 20 INTs, 3 lost fumbles, 26 sacks, 63.0 rating.
2010: 16 games, 16 starts, 54.8% completions, 3291 yards, 6.5 ypa, 17 TDs, 13 INTS, 1 lost fumble, 27 sacks, 75.3 rating
2011: 16 games, 16 starts, 56.7% completions, 3474 yards, 6.4 ypa, 26 TDs, 18 INTs, 8 lost fumbles, 39 sacks, 78.2 rating
2012: 11 games, 11 starts, 55.4% completions, 2339 yards, 6.7 ypa, 12 TDs, 10 INTs, 5 lost fumbles, 26 sacks, 75.6 rating

Edited by HDKostempski, 23 November 2012 - 07:02 PM.

[BlackDynamite]

That may be true, but Freeman's bad years have been pretty much on a par with Sanchez's numbers during those same years, and he had much less talent around him until this season when his team finally got him some weapons. Sanchez had a much better team around him in 2009 and 2010, and didn't put up particularly good numbers:

Freeman:
2009: 10 games, 9 starts, 54.5% completions, 1855 yds, 6.4 ypa, 10 TDs, 18 INTs, 2 lost fumbles, 20 sacks, 59.9 rating
2010: 16 games, 16 starts, 61.4% completions, 3451 yards, 7.3 ypa, 25 TDs, 6 INTs, 3 lost fumbles, 28 sacks, 95.9 rating
2011: 15 games, 15 starts. 62.8% completions, 3592 yards, 6.5 ypa, 16 TDs, 22 INTs, 5 lost fumbles, 29 sacks, 74.6 rating
2012: 10 games, 10 starts, 56.4% completions, 2505 yards, 7.9 ypa, 21 TDs, 7 INTs, 1 lost fumble, 14 sacks

Sanchez:
2009: 15 games, 15 starts, 53.8% completions, 2444 yards, 6.7 ypa, 12 TDs, 20 INTs, 3 lost fumbles, 26 sacks, 63.0 rating.
2010: 16 games, 16 starts, 54.8% completions, 3291 yards, 6.5 ypa, 17 TDs, 13 INTS, 1 lost fumble, 27 sacks, 75.3 rating
2011: 16 games, 16 starts, 56.7% completions, 3474 yards, 6.4 ypa, 26 TDs, 18 INTs, 8 lost fumbles, 39 sacks, 78.2 rating
2012: 11 games, 11 starts, 55.4% completions, 2339 yards, 6.7 ypa, 12 TDs, 10 INTs, 5 lost fumbles, 26 sacks, 75.6 rating

Where was all this offensive talent Sanchez had, led by Brian Schottenheimer?

I missed those games......
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[HDKostempski]

Where was all this offensive talent Sanchez had, led by Brian Schottenheimer?

I missed those games......
BD

The Jets had a great OL in 2009 and 2010 and still have a decent one now. They also had decent WRs and RBs in 2009 and 2010. Until this season, they had better offensive talent than Tampa Bay, and Brian Schottenheimer is 10X the offensive coordinator that Tony Sparano can ever hope to be. Scapegoat Schottenheimer for the FO's poor decisions.

You need to stop making excuses for Sanchez. His poor play pulls down his teammates. His holding on to the ball too long and lack of pocket awareness makes the OL look far worse than it is because sacks get blamed on the OL. Sanchez's inability to see the field well and his inability to recognize open receivers results in his throwing too much to his outlet receivers, which hurts the running game because teams put 8 in the box to stop both the running game and the short passes. Between his INTs and fumbles, Sanchez puts his teammates under the gun.

Edited by HDKostempski, 23 November 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[BlackDynamite]

The Jets had a great OL in 2009 and 2010 and still have a decent one now. They also had decent WRs and RBs in 2009 and 2010. Until this season, they had better offensive talent than Tampa Bay, and Brian Schottenheimer is 10X the offensive coordinator that Tony Sparano can ever hope to be. Scapegoat Schottenheimer for the FO's poor decisions.

You need to stop making excuses for Sanchez. His poor play pulls down his teammates. His holding on to the ball too long and lack of pocket awareness makes the OL look far worse than it is because sacks get blamed on the OL. Sanchez's inability to see the field well and his inability to recognize open receivers results in his throwing too much to his outlet receivers, which hurts the running game because teams put 8 in the box to stop both the running game and the short passes. Between his INTs and fumbles, Sanchez puts his teammates under the gun.

Ohh.......I didn't see the Bills logo. You've obviously missed several dozens of Jets games.

You might want to keep your lack of Jets knowledge on the DL. I won't tell anyone.......
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[Smashmouth]

Did this need its own thread? No. I just wanted another catastrophic Tannenbaum f*ck up to be burned into your corneas.

Ahh you mean beacuse the Buc's actully went out and got talent after their QB took a step back last year and now hes back on track ?

[Smashmouth]

The Jets had a great OL in 2009 and 2010 and still have a decent one now. They also had decent WRs and RBs in 2009 and 2010. Until this season, they had better offensive talent than Tampa Bay, and Brian Schottenheimer is 10X the offensive coordinator that Tony Sparano can ever hope to be. Scapegoat Schottenheimer for the FO's poor decisions.

You need to stop making excuses for Sanchez. His poor play pulls down his teammates. His holding on to the ball too long and lack of pocket awareness makes the OL look far worse than it is because sacks get blamed on the OL. Sanchez's inability to see the field well and his inability to recognize open receivers results in his throwing too much to his outlet receivers, which hurts the running game because teams put 8 in the box to stop both the running game and the short passes. Between his INTs and fumbles, Sanchez puts his teammates under the gun.

The NY Jets have not had a legitimate number one WR since Keyshawn was traded. 34 year old Jail birds, and 38 year old loud mouths dont count, sorry. I liked Braylon and he seemed to be coming along nicely with Sanchez, especially in the playoffs, but that clutch performance got him totally ignored during contact time because we had to sign Holmes to 50 mil based on 8 games with the team at that point. Yeah the Jets have done a fine Job. Even at RB we had a washed up LT who would have still been better than anyone on this current roster if we would have signed him for another year. But not only didnt we sign him we didnt even replace him.

Just to let you know NO ONE on these boards or the NFL expected the Jets to be that good defensively when Rex first took over and even that year they did nothing for Sanchez until they realized they had such a great D and they made the desparation signing of Braylon after the 4th game in Sanchez rookie season. Keep in mind Im not sticking up for Sanchez here its just a fact they have done the worst job I have ever seen surrounding their franchise QB at the time with any talent worth a sh*t. Everyone knew Braylon was a time bomb and even though he played well the bomb went off. Holmes was the same deal except he was destroying the locker room instead of the highways and bars.

If you Hate Sanchez thats fine,but the job the Jets have done to develop this kid has been the worst I have seen in this league in many years. I do think we tried but having no idea how to get it done is probably a better assessment

So yeah I can see the Jets moves comparing to the Buc's Drafting of Doug MArtin and the signing of Vincent Jackson

Edited by Smashmouth, 24 November 2012 - 09:05 AM.