flgreen Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Camp Preview: Quarterbacks July, 15, 2013 Jul 15 6:00 AM ET By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com Jets QBsAP Photo/Bill KostrounGeno Smith is right behind Mark Sanchez for this year's starting quarterback job. Breaking down the Jets, position by position, as we head to training camp: Position: Quarterback Projected starter: Mark Sanchez Projected reserves: Geno Smith, Greg McElroy New faces: Smith The departed: Tim Tebow Player to Watch: The most scrutinized player in camp will be Smith, the former West Virginia star who slid into the second round. It'll be Smith versus Sanchez in the Jets' first true quarterback competition since Sanchez versus Kellen Clemens in 2009 -- and that was rigged in Sanchez's favor. This time, the politics will work against Sanchez. It's Smith's job to win. The organization wants a fresh face at quarterback, but Smith has a lot to prove after a lackluster performance in the OTAs and minicamp. He has the arm and the athleticism to electrify the offense, but can he lead? Can he grasp the offense? Can he handle adversity? Chances are, he won't be able to answer them all by opening day. Bet the rent on Sanchez starting Week 1. Potential Strength: The best hope for a solid season at quarterback -- maybe the only hope -- is Marty Mornhinweg and his West Coast system. He's an experienced playcaller with a proven, quarterback-friendly system, a departure from Tony Sparano and his paint-by-numbers offense. Mornhinweg and quarterbacks coach David Lee, a stickler for fundamentals, will bring a fresh approach. Potential Weakness: Ball security. Sanchez, who drives coaches crazy with his penchant for holding the ball with only one hand, fumbled 14 times last season (he lost eight). He also had 18 interceptions. Smith has small hands and fumbled 32 times in his college career. The Jets aren't good enough to overcome reckless play at the quarterback position. Wild card: The coaches are toying with the idea of turning Smith into what Tebow was supposed to be last season -- a change-of-pace quarterback (assuming he doesn't win the starting job). Smith would have a package of plays, mainly read-option runs that could exploit his speed. The upside: It would give him some game experience, albeit in a gadget role, and add a wrinkle to the offense. The downside: He wasn't very productive when West Virginia called designed runs, which wasn't often. Smith, who considers himself a pocket passer, gives the impression he wouldn't be thrilled in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Smith fumbled the ball 32 times in college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 Smith fumbled the ball 32 times in college? Yes That's the funny part of this. He has the same kind of flaws as Sanchez. He had a high completion % on very short passes to his All American WR's, but when he threw up field, not so much. Took 2 safety's in the Pinstripe Bowl. Mini Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Smith fumbled the ball 32 times in college? he has small hands. In the Pinstripe Bowl, in the snow, had trouble gripping the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 Palladino: Geno Smith’s Snub Of Mark Sanchez Disrespectful Rookie QB Made Mistake By Skipping 'Jets West' July 15, 2013 6:21 AM By Ernie Palladino As baseball enjoys its annual midseason slumber, aka the All-Star break, with neither team mounting a particularly meaningful surge upward, it’s a good thing the latest installment of football’s soap opera is moving right along. The Jets starting quarterback competition between Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith begins in a couple of weeks up at SUNY Cortland, though by all accounts Smith has fired the first heavy salvo without even throwing a pass. Actually, he took a pass — on the incumbent’s fourth annual Jets West camp. Invited to participate in Sanchez’s own team-building, morale-building week in sun-drenched Mission Viejo, Ca., the cocky second-round pick opted to continue hanging out in Florida. Sanchez wasn’t annoyed by Smith’s absence, at least publicly. But let’s make no mistake here. This is not some overblown little snippet the media latched onto to add another layer of controversy to an already juicy competition. This is a direct slap to the face of the incumbent from a kid who has yet to take a pro snap. It’s Smith figuratively swatting Sanchez off his shoulder like some bothersome fly. It could turn into Smith’s biggest mistake. Not because it’s going to set him back in learning Marty Mornhinweg’s West Coast system, but because the teammates who did show this year and in the past at Jets West undoubtedly expected Smith to act like one of the guys. In eschewing a week of bonding that old veteran Mark Brunell and last year’s anointed game-changer Tim Tebow thought useful and, perhaps, even informative, Smith set himself off. Smith passed up the opportunity to fashion himself as a young leader. Real leaders learn first how to follow, how to relate, how to respect. For all of Sanchez’s flaws — anyone who has followed him the last two years knows they are many — few have challenged his competitiveness. Confidence, yes, but the guy wants to win, and he wants his teammates to do well. Smith seems concerned only with taking Sanchez’s job. That will shake out in training camp, certainly. But even if he wins that competition, he must also worry about taking the locker room along with him. He still has plenty of time to develop a rapport with his skill players. But one has to think that the fellows who flew out to SoCal to commune with Sanchez are going to remember this. New backfield addition Chris Ivory and new tight end Kellen Winslow, Jr. cleared their calendars for it. Veteran tight ends Jeff Cumberland and Konrad Reuland thought it beneficial enough to show, as did young veteran receivers Jeremy Kerley and Stephen Hill. In all, 11 skill position players showed up for some extra field work with a quarterback who wants to revive his career in the worst way. But Sanchez couldn’t draw a hot-shot rookie thrower whose attitude and immaturity put off several teams leading into the draft. Sanchez may well have come to the end of his days in green, may never escape the long shadow of last year’s “butt fumble.” But at least he’s trying. Even Winslow, who has seen hard times himself, was impressed with Sanchez’ leadership and classroom presence. Those players don’t know about Smith. A second-rounder would not have taught, but he would have absorbed. And he would have related. Instead, he chose to stay away in such a fashion that his absence could not be regarded as anything but disrespectful to his training camp competition. If that’s how he wants to play it, all well and good. But players remember. He’ll have to mend more than one fence when the dorms open up in Cortland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Yes That's the funny part of this. He has the same kind of flaws as Sanchez. He had a high completion % on very short passes to his All American WR's, but when he threw up field, not so much. Took 2 safety's in the Pinstripe Bowl. Mini Mark he has small hands. In the Pinstripe Bowl, in the snow, had trouble gripping the ball Didnt know that about him...thought he took care of the ball well and thought they showed a stat of him in cold weather and he was pretty money. I never put in a ton of stock into Bowl Games. First off, they are ******* stupid as hell...its basically another season since they all sit for 45 days before they play again but too many times these kids have HUGE bowls games and it elevates their stock wayyyyy too high (see Sanchez in the Rose Bowl for example)...but 2 safety's? I'd lose my marbles if a QB for my team allowed that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Sanchez wasn’t annoyed by Smith’s absence, at least publicly. But let’s make no mistake here. This is not some overblown little snippet the media latched onto to add another layer of controversy to an already juicy competition. This is a direct slap to the face of the incumbent from a kid who has yet to take a pro snap. Actually, that could not be a more accurate description of exactly what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 Didnt know that about him...thought he took care of the ball well and thought they showed a stat of him in cold weather and he was pretty money. I never put in a ton of stock into Bowl Games. First off, they are ******* stupid as hell...its basically another season since they all sit for 45 days before they play again but too many times these kids have HUGE bowls games and it elevates their stock wayyyyy too high (see Sanchez in the Rose Bowl for example)...but 2 safety's? I'd lose my marbles if a QB for my team allowed that to happen. Smith didn't throw a lot of interceptions. Mostly because of the type of offense they ran. A lot of his passes were behind the LOS. He was blessed with two of the best WR's YAC in the country. Tavon Austin, and Steadman Bailey. That inflated his yards per throw stats. When he threw upfield, he had a good arm but very inaccurate. He makes a lot of fumbles for the same reason Sanchez does. Sometimes he just seems to drop it. His cold weather stats were often against weak teams, or around 40 degrees. The game in bad weather at Yankee Stadium was awful Like Sanchez when things were going badly his body language is also awful. I didn't like Sanchez when the Jets drafted him, sadly I like Smith even less. Hope Smith does better then Sanchez did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Invited to participate in Sanchez’s own team-building, morale-building week in sun-drenched Mission Viejo, Ca., the cocky second-round pick opted to continue hanging out in Florida. Name one quarterback that was ever improved after attending "Jets West?" That's what I thought ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 Report: Jets “toying” with using Geno Smith to change pace Posted by Josh Alper on July 15, 2013, 10:10 AM EDT Geno SmithAP When the Jets traded for Tim Tebow last year, many speculated that they would use him as a change-of-pace quarterback with his own package of offensive plays that the team would use to expand their options when they had the ball. Tebow only played sparingly on offense in 2012 and the Jets were roundly ridiculed for the way they deployed him. According to a report from Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com, however, the team hasn’t totally given up the idea of having a backup quarterback with his own portfolio even though last year’s offensive coordinator Tony Sparano is now coaching the offensive line in Oakland. Per Cimini, Jets coaches are “toying” with the idea of using rookie Geno Smith as a change-of-pace quarterback if he doesn’t win the starting job with a package of plays centered on the read-option. The idea is to make use of Smith’s speed while also giving him game experience he wouldn’t get otherwise, although Cimini points out one potential stumbling block in Smith’s limited history of success on designed runs while in college. While the Jets offense can surely use any wrinkle that makes it more successful, the notion of shuttling quarterbacks in and out of the game only underlines how badly the Jets need to find a quarterback that they aren’t willing to take off the field for chunks of the game. The Jets presumably selected Smith in the second round of the draft because they felt he had the potential to be that kind of player and they’ll likely be best served by keeping him focused on attaining that goal as quickly as possible rather than returning to a well that bore no water last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKlecko Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Actually, that could not be a more accurate description of exactly what it is. What's wrong with that? To begin with, we don't know how Mark has treated Smith behind the scenes. Secondly, Mark deserves no respect for his QB play. None. Three, it's a business and we're talking about Smith's livelihood. He's letting Sanchez know that he's gonna do his best to take his job away from him and has no interest in becoming buddy-buddy with him. Four, there's absolutely nothing positive Smith could gain from Mark Sanchez. Zilch. Nada. Sanchez is a doofus. Smith may prove to be a bust too, but I'd rather he take his chances sans Mark Sanchez' involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Report: Jets “toying” with using Geno Smith to change pace Posted by Josh Alper on July 15, 2013, 10:10 AM EDT Geno SmithAP When the Jets traded for Tim Tebow last year, many speculated that they would use him as a change-of-pace quarterback with his own package of offensive plays that the team would use to expand their options when they had the ball. Tebow only played sparingly on offense in 2012 and the Jets were roundly ridiculed for the way they deployed him. According to a report from Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com, however, the team hasn’t totally given up the idea of having a backup quarterback with his own portfolio even though last year’s offensive coordinator Tony Sparano is now coaching the offensive line in Oakland. Per Cimini, Jets coaches are “toying” with the idea of using rookie Geno Smith as a change-of-pace quarterback if he doesn’t win the starting job with a package of plays centered on the read-option. The idea is to make use of Smith’s speed while also giving him game experience he wouldn’t get otherwise, although Cimini points out one potential stumbling block in Smith’s limited history of success on designed runs while in college. While the Jets offense can surely use any wrinkle that makes it more successful, the notion of shuttling quarterbacks in and out of the game only underlines how badly the Jets need to find a quarterback that they aren’t willing to take off the field for chunks of the game. The Jets presumably selected Smith in the second round of the draft because they felt he had the potential to be that kind of player and they’ll likely be best served by keeping him focused on attaining that goal as quickly as possible rather than returning to a well that bore no water last season. lololololololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 What's wrong with that? To begin with, we don't know how Mark has treated Smith behind the scenes. Secondly, Mark deserves no respect for his QB play. None. Three, it's a business and we're talking about Smith's livelihood. He's letting Sanchez know that he's gonna do his best to take his job away from him and has no interest in becoming buddy-buddy with him. Four, there's absolutely nothing positive Smith could gain from Mark Sanchez. Zilch. Nada. Sanchez is a doofus. Smith may prove to be a bust too, but I'd rather he take his chances sans Mark Sanchez' involvement. Spot on, Smith is here to Win the job, not be Marks buddy, I'd snub him also, if Sanchez was Drafted today he'd be out the league in 3 years under the new CBA. He was lucky (for him, not us) that he was Drafting under the old Kings Ransom for unproven Rookie system. If Smith is a bust its no skin, if he turns out to be a Good Q.B then great, we get some cheap years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Spot on, Smith is here to Win the job, not be Marks buddy, I'd snub him also, if Sanchez was Drafted today he'd be out the league in 3 years under the new CBA. He was lucky (for him, not us) that he was Drafting under the old Kings Ransom for unproven Rookie system. If Smith is a bust its no skin, if he turns out to be a Good Q.B then great, we get some cheap years. The funny thing is that I flipped on Jets Nation for a few minutes and they were talking about this exact topic and all of them fully supported Geno not showing up, most emphatically of all was Ray Lucas who was rather adamant that he would have done the same if he were in Geno's shoes. They also pointed out the fact that neither McElroy nor Simms went either, which was ignored by many in the media when trying to make Geno out to be so evil for skipping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Judging by what Jets West has produced over the last few years, you'd think they were handing out full frontal lobotomies there. Why the **** would anyone go there? It's like going to Chernobyl to buy sod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Jets west- bonding of Jets players led by Mark Sanchez. How could anyone resist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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