FidelioJet Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I have no doubt BB is a brilliant Football mind but he will forever live in a tainted world in my eyes. I will always question the validity his accomplishments. And being a great Football mind doesnt always equate to a great HC. He wasnt that before Brady. Agreed though, having a QB helps you take more chances but also helps you bridge the gap seasons too. And way too many coaches are chicken sh*ts. No doubt. I just don't buy the brilliant mind argument. He is well below .500 as a head coach without Brady. I have a hard time getting past that...Even the year before Brady in NE (BB first season there) they were terrible...and were on their way to being terrible again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I just don't buy the brilliant mind argument. He is well below .500 as a head coach without Brady. I have a hard time getting past that...Even the year before Brady in NE (BB first season there) they were terrible...and were on their way to being terrible again... 100% agree. Without his shenanigans (or flat out cheating), BB is an average coach. As soon as Brandy got under center, the O-line got a free pass to hold as much as needed to let him succeed. They didnt do that for Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 100% agree.Without his shenanigans (or flat out cheating), BB is an average coach. As soon as Brandy got under center, the O-line got a free pass to hold as much as needed to let him succeed. They didnt do that for Bledsoe. Bledsoe was a vertical, 5-7 step drop QB who's release took 5+ seconds. The ball is out of Brady's hands in less than 2 seconds. Anybody with a sliver of football knowledge knows the impact of the OLine for each QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Bledsoe was a vertical, 5-7 step drop QB who's release took 5+ seconds. The ball is out of Brady's hands in less than 2 seconds. Anybody with a sliver of football knowledge knows the impact of the OLine for each QB. Bledsoe got beat on every game, hit and sacked alot. Brandy gets 10 seconds of pocket time because the O-line is holding. Anybody with a sliver of 20/20 vision can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I just do not think you can be totally one dimensional and win against a solid defense-whether that comes Sunday or the Super Bowl pats are going down One dimensional? No actual running game. But having carte Blanche on offensive holding pic plays is practically having a run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 One dimensional? No actual running game. But having carte Blanche on offensive holding pic plays is practically having a run game. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Manning v Brady. Again. This sh*t is getting boring. Go NFC. This league. This damn league. They ruined one of the best sports every conceived, changing so many rules over time to just completely bias everything to the point where having any chance at sustained success is entirely dependent on finding an elite player at one position. It's created an incredibly boring league that I am legitimately starting to lose interest in. You really do make a great case there. QB is EVERYTHING in this league. An elite QB will take you to the playoffs with their eyes closed, almost every year regardless of the type of D they have. That's pretty sickening. And the fact we haven't had a franchise QB for 40+ years, our success (or lack of) shows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 You really do make a great case there. QB is EVERYTHING in this league. An elite QB will take you to the playoffs with their eyes closed, almost every year regardless of the type of D they have. That's pretty sickening. And the fact we haven't had a franchise QB for 40+ years, our success (or lack of) shows that. So, should the NFL change the rules for those teams incapable of finding an elite QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Bledsoe was a vertical, 5-7 step drop QB who's release took 5+ seconds. The ball is out of Brady's hands in less than 2 seconds. Anybody with a sliver of football knowledge knows the impact of the OLine for each QB. when you are throwing 5 yd passes using pick plays to get people open, release should only take 2 seconds asshat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 You really do make a great case there. QB is EVERYTHING in this league. An elite QB will take you to the playoffs with their eyes closed, almost every year regardless of the type of D they have. That's pretty sickening. And the fact we haven't had a franchise QB for 40+ years, our success (or lack of) shows that. That's right, because for 40+ years other teams with superstar QBs dominated football. In other words, it's been that way for 40+ years ... :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 brilliant football mind? no doubt about it but that doesn't guarantee you can be a great HC. w/o Brady he has been a mediocre/bad HC. Brady stepping in allowed him to develop into a great coach but he'd be a DC somewhere today if Brady didn't resurrect that franchise and his HC career. This argument works both ways. If Brady was a star QB in college, you'd have a point. If Brady was a Top 5 QB in the draft, you'd have a point. He was neither, a complete unknown, a player that almost didn't get drafted. Teams passed on him 7 times. He was BB's 7th pick overall, second pick in the 6th round. It's safe to argue that BB & Co turned a nobody into a HOFer. It's also realistic to argue if Brady was drafted elsewhere he might've been another Rob Johnson or Brady Quinn story, or possibly less. every time they played Manning had the more talented team and the 2 postseason games he won: 2006 where Brady had Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his main weapons(if manning was QBing that NE team they don't make the playoffs) and in 2013 where he outside of Edelman his leading receivers were 17 time concussion survivor Austin Collie and the great Michael Hoomanawanui. it's not about beating BB D's, teams routinely are able to have success against BB D's in postseason, it's about holding Brady down. BB's D won the last SB, not Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 This argument works both ways. If Brady was a star QB in college, you'd have a point. If Brady was a Top 5 QB in the draft, you'd have a point. He was neither, a complete unknown, a player that almost didn't get drafted. Teams passed on him 7 times. He was BB's 7th pick overall, second pick in the 6th round. It's safe to argue that BB & Co turned a nobody into a HOFer. It's also realistic to argue if Brady was drafted elsewhere he might've been another Rob Johnson or Brady Quinn story, or possibly less. BB's D won the last SB, not Brady. teams make mistakes, Brady was really good in college. he as in a unique situation where they guaranteed playing time to a phenom who was supposed to be what Brady turned out to be. Scouts make mistakes, happens all the time. why couldn't BB & Co turn a pro bowler in Bledsoe into an hofer? why couldn't they turn any of their other QBs into HOFers? BB's D allowed 24 pts the last SB and nearly blew another SB. they got fortunate but Brady and the O won that SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 teams make mistakes, Brady was really good in college. he as in a unique situation where they guaranteed playing time to a phenom who was supposed to be what Brady turned out to be. Scouts make mistakes, happens all the time. why couldn't BB & Co turn a pro bowler in Bledsoe into an hofer? why couldn't they turn any of their other QBs into HOFers? BB could've turned Bledsoe into a HOFer if he stayed with him. Nobody knows. BB won 10 games with Matt Cassel in '08. Nobody knows what might've been with Cassel either. BB's D allowed 24 pts the last SB and nearly blew another SB. they got fortunate but Brady and the O won that SB. Wilson and the O won that SB, BB's D sniped it from their hands. Works both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 BB could've turned Bledsoe into a HOFer if he stayed with him. Nobody knows. BB won 10 games with Matt Cassel in '08. Nobody knows what might've been with Cassel either. Wilson and the O won that SB, BB's D sniped it from their hands. Works both ways. he had a chance w/ Bledsoe. he was 5-13 with him. Cassell took over undefeated team and lost 5 times w/ easier sched then won div title in KC just 2 years later. NE never should have been in that situation but the D allowed Sea to go right down the field then BB mismanaged the clock and they got fortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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