CTM Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, Integrity28 said: I'm scum hunting, you dipsh*t. You've got several people here, Hess standing out most, making comments about how "if not for the Mason thing, I'd vote Lily", except all his energy is going towards helping bail Brett out of the argument. That's curious to me, so I'm pressing a bit to see if I can figure out why. Game is moving. You aren't at the center of it. I guess that's a problem? lol.. no but it's become a focal point of both Brett and your case on one another and it seems silly. Trying to infer what lilly was really thinking is above all of our pay grades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It's important semantics though, because he's using it to defend himself... duh. He tried to make two arguments. One was she lied about not thinking him scummy all game, which I thought was a bigger red flag. That's sorta got disproved by that vote being a reaction test. Whether is was or not, she still didn't actively look at him as scummy with game content. So in that sense, she wasn't lying. The second part, her actual reasoning for voting him is super scummy imo. But whatevs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: I'm participating. I'm not "on edge", I'm trying to arrive at the right decision here. And yes, you are both painting what she said with a different meaning. Maybe you're both stupid, I dunno... but the concept of thinking someone is scum because of how clean they've played is not new. That, I believe, is all she meant. Brett, then you, are running with it as though she said "I don't think Brett is scum, vote Brett". That's just now what I'm looking at. I think Lily is more suspect for getting behind the ape with that vote, than she is for "voting someone she thinks is town" as you dopes are saying. She's basically echoing the weakest part of my case on Brett, and letting me do the heavy lifting here. 7 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It's less about defending, more about me taking a position... I don't believe she meant what she said, the way you guys are interpreting it. Part of my case is that he's been playing too clean, and I believe she is echoing that. It's a semantics thing, and I don't believe the way Brett is defending against her is valid. Just my opinion. So other people are interpreting Lily's words by their content, and it sounds like you are interpreting them by applying your own logic to them. That doesn't sound very logical. Judge people by their actual words, not by what you think those words might mean, unless that person clarifies it. Lily has not clarified it. She has not said "I think Brett may be too clean, so I'm voting him". Perhaps that's what she meant, but that's an assumption. I shall henceforth call this "gaming the interpretation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, CTM said: lol.. no but it's become a focal point of both Brett and your case on one another and it seems silly. Trying to infer what lilly was really thinking is above all of our pay grades eh, my case is in the posts I bumped... to me, something like Lily's comment is worth a bit of debate to see who aligns where. Like I said, I'm scum hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Spoot-Face said: So other people are interpreting Lily's words by their content, and it sounds like you are interpreting them by applying your own logic to them. That doesn't sound very logical. Judge people by their actual words, not by what you think those words might mean, unless that person clarifies it. Lily has not clarified it. She has not said "I think Brett may be too clean, so I'm voting him". Perhaps that's what she meant, but that's an assumption. I shall henceforth call this "gaming the interpretation". I know what I'm doing, putz. I am glad to see some assertiveness from you though... very glad!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: eh, my case is in the posts I bumped... to me, something like Lily's comment is worth a bit of debate to see who aligns where. Like I said, I'm scum hunting. lol, yet it's a bigger focal point then him saying you and lilly are scum mates.. which seems like a way more noteworthy thing but i dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, CTM said: lol, yet it's a bigger focal point then him saying you and lilly are scum mates.. which seems like a way more noteworthy thing but i dunno Just in the last page or so, mostly because it actually has Hess taking a position and I've said for YEARS I have a horrible time reading him... so sorry, I'm trying to use what the game gives me to break him down a bit. I'll go back to wall flowering it, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: I know what I'm doing, putz. I am glad to see some assertiveness from you though... very glad!!!! +1 one for putz. My favorite "clean" insult. My mafia confidence is growing just a tad. It has it's ups and downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, Spoot-Face said: +1 one for putz. My favorite "clean" insult. My mafia confidence is growing just a tad. It has it's ups and downs. It's more fun when you're scum, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: Just in the last page or so, mostly because it actually has Hess taking a position and I've said for YEARS I have a horrible time reading him... so sorry, I'm trying to use what the game gives me to break him down a bit. I'll go back to wall flowering it, whatever. haha, don't be a baby.. the whole thing seems like a giant null tell is my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just now, CTM said: haha, don't be a baby.. the whole thing seems like a giant null tell is my point I'm just matter-of-factly saying I can dial it back down. Not being a baby, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 7 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Just in the last page or so, mostly because it actually has Hess taking a position and I've said for YEARS I have a horrible time reading him... so sorry, I'm trying to use what the game gives me to break him down a bit. I'll go back to wall flowering it, whatever. i am trying to figure out why it's this topic you are discussing and i'm the one pointing out you pushed still lynching lilly day 1 post mason claim... Part of me is wondering if you didn't bring up for fear of hearing wifom.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, StraightCash said: I just want to point out that Lily has a vote on me, because she is reading me as town. She is not reading me as scum, but she still wants to lynch me. Please just let that sink in Are you making a career out of lying? I have a vote on you because of what Ape said. It made sense. I'll quote it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, StraightCash said: 1. Went back to check, she flipped and said it was a 'reaction test'-- never a joke vote 2. Look at the quote above. She says she does not see me as scummy. Try and figure that one out It was my first horribad attempt at a reaction test. It was not a joke vote. Thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: I wouldn't call it a war. I'd call it predictable. I voted him on D1, he took the chill route. I vote him again now, and add the Brett OMGUS's me when town and he's not doing it angle to my case, and as I could have predicted.... he goes OMGUS. Tell me, seriously, if you think he's been playing his townie game. Calm, cool, collected... after 4 games of being a hot, illogical, paranoid mess. Tell me. This is why I'm voting you. You are not acting like town Brett. Since I haven't seen your scum game since you got back, I'm going to assume that this is it, until you give me a reason to think otherwise. So far, nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It's more fun when you're scum, isn't it? I'll let you know in the future, pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 42 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: I'm participating. I'm not "on edge", I'm trying to arrive at the right decision here. And yes, you are both painting what she said with a different meaning. Maybe you're both stupid, I dunno... but the concept of thinking someone is scum because of how clean they've played is not new. That, I believe, is all she meant. Brett, then you, are running with it as though she said "I don't think Brett is scum, vote Brett". That's just now what I'm looking at. I think Lily is more suspect for getting behind the ape with that vote, than she is for "voting someone she thinks is town" as you dopes are saying. She's basically echoing the weakest part of my case on Brett, and letting me do the heavy lifting here. I was waiting for you to say that. What took you so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said: Isn't this called "gaming the mod" or something of the like? Speculating if the mod went "off-script", so to speak, instead of just taking everything at face value? You are right here, but it's equally gaming the mod to say it would be "bastard mod" to call them Mason's but have alignment be scum. I just think it shouldn't be assumed that all 4 mason claims are vetted town, especially with how scummy Lily is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: You wouldn't know this, but I'm a big believer in the idea that the cleanest looking players are usually the dirtiest. Explains why you suck at this game so much. Lynch the scummiest-- usually the best course of action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, StraightCash said: You are right here, but it's equally gaming the mod to say it would be "bastard mod" to call them Mason's but have alignment be scum. I just think it shouldn't be assumed that all 4 mason claims are vetted town, especially with how scummy Lily is So you think that one (I guess then two) of them are lying? That would be pretty ballsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, CTM said: ugh.. i just re read all that mess and am not sure what to make of it. @Integrity28 .. I'm not getting your point on Brett, you have been scum almost every game, so him being on you then and not now as a scum tell doesn't make sense. I'd say this point would be better made at him coming after me, who he's hounded almost every game and i haven't been scum @StraightCash Where does decker fit into this ape and lilly scum team thing. trying to tie lilly to ape is kinda throwing me for a loop here and seems flaily. Lilly worded a vote scummily and tripped over her own day 1, this isn't a surprise In that theory, Decker would be town as is unknowingly aligned with scum. I get its a little more far fetched than how confidently I stated it-- but it had just read a lot like how Jif and Ape over extended to lynch me in Smurfs. I also don't think it should be assumed that all 4 Mason's are town. I just think Ape is scum, and I think Lily is scum. Lily is playing really scummy, and I'm just not willing to write her off based on her claim with Decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: So you think that one (I guess then two) of them are lying? That would be pretty ballsy. At least one, the other Mason (aka Decker) might not know Lily is scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Brett, you're trying way too hard to sell your narrative. Mason is a town role. 80 is not a bastard mod, as far as I know. Our QT says that we are both town. Decker can vouch for that. One of you or Ape is scum. I think it's you. Your flailing isn't sitting well. Stop gaming the mod and play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 So we have seen some input from Brett Ape Lily CTM Crusher Hess Spoot Still want to see more from Decker Ballin Cauldron Leelou Jif AVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 7 minutes ago, StraightCash said: At least one, the other Mason (aka Decker) might not know Lily is scum. That's not called Masons, that's called Neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 Official D2 Vote Count Brett (3) - Ape, CTM, Lily Ape (2) - Crusher, Brett AVM (1) - JiF With 13 alive it takes 7 dumbasses to lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, Lily said: That's not called Masons, that's called Neighbors. I don't need an education on what the terminology means from you. Go read my post about gaming the mod. It's whatever the **** he wants it to be. Maybe he saw what a sh*t show Nolders use of the term "neighbors" caused in Ocean and wanted to avoid it. Or maybe I'm wrong. But quit assuming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 8 minutes ago, StraightCash said: At least one, the other Mason (aka Decker) might not know Lily is scum. As far as I know, Mason is exclusively a town role. Can anyone here recall there ever being a non-town Mason in the history of JetNation Mafia? Unless you are proposing a neighbor scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I can't believe everyone is so quick to assume we could vet 25% of the game on D1 because 80 used the term "mason". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 minute ago, StraightCash said: I don't need an education on what the terminology means from you. Go read my post about gaming the mod. It's whatever the **** he wants it to be. Maybe he saw what a sh*t show Nolders use of the term "neighbors" caused in Ocean and wanted to avoid it. Or maybe I'm wrong. But quit assuming Okay, yeah, town or not, you need some pressure. vote Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Also, why was Ape on Lily's train to lynch her D1, if now he believes that Mason's mean it must be town or else it's bastard mod? Why did he want to kill her yesterday after she claimed and Decker confirmed. Another contradiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckerfan Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I was under the impression that Masons are town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Okay, yeah, town or not, you need some pressure. vote Brett Some pressure? What have I been getting for the past few hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 Official D2 Vote Count Brett (4) - Ape, CTM, Lily, Spoot Ape (2) - Crusher, Brett AVM (1) - JiF Not Voting (6) - Hess, decker, Calder, AVM, Ballin, Leelou With 13 alive it takes 7 dumbasses to lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Okay, yeah, town or not, you need some pressure. vote Brett Another "even if you are town, still want to lynch you" post. Why don't you go take a seat next to Lily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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