Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 hours ago, TBJ said: Then why did he draft Zach Wilson? It was a terrible pick. But even the best GMs get enamored by the wrong QB in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 3 hours ago, TBJ said: Then why did he draft Zach Wilson? Zach Wilson is a historical bust who cost the Jets the 2nd overall plus the package just given up for Rodgers, which includes missing out on an OL this draft. Many hated the pick at the time it was made and called Zach as a bust. He was a fast-riser soon before the draft whose rise in mock drafts was largely due to the Jets’ rumored interest. Probably the biggest bust in Jets history — the guy is the Vernon Gholston of QBs who would’ve barely seen the field if he wasn’t a QB. He just can’t play. It is obvious just from watching him. He has no feel for it whatsoever. All that being said, drafting terrible QBs happens to everyone. Evaluating college QBs and extrapolating their performance to the pro game is the hardest thing to do it sport. So much is mental and psycho-emotional that we have not yet developed the tools to measure. Gardner Minshew is a better professional player than Wilson. Wilson can throw a football through a steel plate and Gardner can’t throw it through a wet paper towel. Evaluating college QBs is like really hard, and stuff. But I do believe JD deserved criticism for going “all eggs in one basket” and abjectly refusing to roster a credible QB2. In fact he filled out the rest of the QB room with guys specifically chosen to not threaten Wilson or breathe down his neck for the starting role (yet all those guys outperformed him anyway). He coddled Wilson and left the team vulnerable and it cost us the playoffs last year. And he’s about to make the same mistake again by leaving Zach as QB2 and not bringing in a steady-arm vet to fill in for Rodgers if he misses a handful of games. Prioritizing Zack’s confidence over having Rodgers-injury insurance in a playoff-or-bust year. Ugh. If Rodgers goes down for a spell and this team misses the playoffs due to games started — and lost — by Wilson, for that JD should be fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Zach still has the potential to be a historically good pick ... the book is not closed yet ... as much as many here would like that to be the case. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Dunnie said: Zach still has the potential to be a historically good pick ... the book is not closed yet ... as much as many here would like that to be the case. Agree. Its such a strange this that the majority of jet fans rush to bash a 23 year old kid. We have 2 years to see how he develops behind the scenes. Why not be positive or even neutral? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Agree. Its such a strange this that the majority of jet fans rush to bash a 23 year old kid. We have 2 years to see how he develops behind the scenes. Why not be positive or even neutral? It's pretty simple. The GM needs to see several steps and years ahead. The sooner you can make a judgment on a player the better. That does not mean that things don't change. Those of us that like to play armchair GM will like to crow when we are correct and determine how to hide or fix our mistakes. A lot of people didn't like that pick so they are going to bash Wilson. Not sure why it has to be personal, besides the fact that his mentality/confidence seems to be a pretty huge part of his issues. Being positive about Wilson is fine, but not to the point where you stop looking for QBs. He is unlikely to improve to the point of being a viable starter and that makes relying on him negligence. OTOH, his contract means he is here and there is no reason to cut him beyond him becoming a douche/distraction. That may or may not have contributed to moving Moore. The main thing is that people come here for fun. If somebody can make us laugh, fine. Wilson makes enough money to live with it. For his salary I would go to the office and let people yell insults at me for 9 hours and then go home. Hell, that is pretty much what I do now and I don't get paid quite that much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Dunnie said: Zach still has the potential to be a historically good pick ... the book is not closed yet ... as much as many here would like that to be the case. The book may not be completely closed on him as a player but it is on him being a busted pick. He cost the Jets a 2nd overall plus his guaranteed salary plus the trade package for Rodgers plus the cash we will pay Rodgers. No way he can return that value during the life of his first contract and it’s highly unlikely that he is here for his second. 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: Agree. It’s such a strange this that the majority of jet fans rush to bash a 23 year old kid. We have 2 years to see how he develops behind the scenes. Why not be positive or even neutral? First of all, “bashing” is a leading characterization. Second of all, one can hope positively but believe negatively. They don’t need to be perfectly aligned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBJ Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: It was a terrible pick. But even the best GMs get enamored by the wrong QB in the draft. Ok, but why go down with the ship? No back-up last year, no back-up this year either. Perhaps JD does not see him as a terrible pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, TBJ said: Ok, but why go down with the ship? No back-up last year, no back-up this year either. Perhaps JD does not see him as a terrible pick. For the 3% chance Zach turns it around and then the dopamine rush of being proven right on a messageboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, TBJ said: Ok, but why go down with the ship? No back-up last year, no back-up this year either. Perhaps JD does not see him as a terrible pick. No back up last year? Last year they had a Super Bowl MVP and a guy who just got a fairly solid contract from Miami. This year they brought in the guy who was the primary backup to Rodgers for Hackett's years in GB (playoff teams expected to do damage where having a backup that could win a game might mean the difference in having a home game or bye) and was the primary backup in Detroit in 2021. Additionally, you are ridiculously equating going with the kid as the unquestioned starter as being the same indicator of his ability as having him as a backup to a HOF QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, TBJ said: Ok, but why go down with the ship? No back-up last year, no back-up this year either. Perhaps JD does not see him as a terrible pick. Then that's a fireable offense on its own. Self-awareness is important in this field. Too big of an ego can be an enormous downfall. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Agree. Its such a strange this that the majority of jet fans rush to bash a 23 year old kid. We have 2 years to see how he develops behind the scenes. Why not be positive or even neutral? He already wasted 2 years of our fandom and you want us to be patient? F**k that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtomm Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Dunnie said: Zach still has the potential to be a historically good pick ... the book is not closed yet ... as much as many here would like that to be the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: He already wasted 2 years of our fandom and you want us to be patient? F**k that. I don’t understand the inability to adjust to information. The Jets should be looking at contingencies for Rodgers retiring after one year and that contingency should be far away from “hope Zach Wilson develops”. Look to keep Zach but also sign a high priced vet seems like a no brainer if the Rodgers experience falls apart. Assume the kid is a sunk cost and expect nothing from him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, kdels62 said: I don’t understand the inability to adjust to information. The Jets should be looking at contingencies for Rodgers retiring after one year and that contingency should be far away from “hope Zach Wilson develops”. Look to keep Zach but also sign a high priced vet seems like a no brainer if the Rodgers experience falls apart. Assume the kid is a sunk cost and expect nothing from him. Agreed, but the problem with the bold is they're already devoting an awful lot of cap dollars to Rodgers and Wilson, which will make it difficult to bring in a 3rd pricey QB option. It's probably also why they went cheap with the Tim Boyle signing as their current other vet on the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 JD is learning, growing into the job and improving. When you hire first time GM after first time GM that’s what you are looking for. The jets have 7 million in cap space and they have to redo Rodgers contract, make a decision on Quinnen, sign the rookies and find about 9 million for signing street free agents during the season to back fill for injuries. He’s basically about 2 million in the red and he still has to do 75 million of work lol. If he gets to week 1 without having to trade CD or Quinnen he has to be in the running for executive of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: He already wasted 2 years of our fandom and you want us to be patient? F**k that. Yeah fajuck that. This is the most talented Jets team since 2010. Don’t waste it on Blech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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