OK, the Green Kool-Aid is wearing off ...

[JoeWillie]

OK, I like what they did getting under the cap. After all, that was Tannenbaum's area of expertise, so I wasn't surprised.

But I'm not impressed by yesterday, especially the last 3 picks, as I don't think any of those players will be consistent starting players in 2006 or even beyond.

I know Mangini and Tannenbaum are hard workers who have a plan and that's great.

But with the way yesterday went, I think any Jet fan has the right to question whether they have the RIGHT plan.

Let's not forget that no one in the Jets war room, including the "thirty something" GM and HC, had ever run an NFL Draft before yesterday.

I don't think it's outrageaous to think they could have f^'ed up, especially after the last 2 rounds.

And we don't have to wait 5 years to find out.

On THIS team, with 5 picks in the top 100, including 3 in the top 35, you should come out with 3 or 4 starters, including at least 1 impact playmaker.

Not sure we did that yesterday.

Hope I'm wrong.

[stormshadow19]

They did get 3 starters. Granted, Clemens isn't going to start this year, but he's the "future" QB. If the Jets do in fact switch to a 3/4, they needed more ILB depth. They only had Kassel and Vilma. Schlegel provides some depth. Yeah, he doesn't have an eye popping 40, but he was part of that insane linebacking corp that Ohio State had. This might be an unfair comparision, but he could become the Jets Chris Spielman. Spielman didn't have insane numbers or great work outs, but he was a mosnter in the middle. Some points I wanted to call him the best MLB in the league. He wasn't the biggest, strongest, or fastest, but he knew how to play the game.

Smith? He was the only talent on that Spartan defense. They couldn't stop anyone. And, oen guy can't do it all. Was it a reach? In our opinions, yeah. So was Schlegel. But, right now there isn't much else to do but have faith they know what they're doing.

They had a great first two rounds. Then they went and did what the Pats do. They pick football players. Here's a thing for you. The Lions have taken Joey Harrington and Kalimba Edwards in 2002. 2003 took Charles Rogers and Boss Bailey. 2004, Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Teddy Lehman. 2005, Mike Williams and Shaun Cody. Those were all highly reguarded prospects. And, the Lions suck. And they were all picked in the first two rounds. So... would you rather go with the highly reguarded talent, or football players?

Also, the Lions third rounders were Andre Goodman (CB 2002), Cory Redding (DE 2003), Keith Smith (CB 2004), and Stanley Wilson (CB 2005). You can't tell me that any of them are better than what the Jets just drafted.

It's all about perspective.

[ThisYearsModel]

I was surprised to read comparisons of Clemens with Pennington. Especially the stuff about how weak his arm is. I mean, really. All this stuff about the "meadowlands tricky winds" and we pick up a weak-armed QB? I don't get it. Isn't that why we passed on Leinart? As for the last 2 picks......both are categorized as reaches. 3 Ohio State LB's were selected, and we passed on the 2 good ones. Oh well, we can continue to hope. Overall, with the high number of high choices available and all of the skill available in positions we are weak, WR, RB, QB, TE, and so on, we did not move on anyof those positions

[RSJ]

I was surprised to read comparisons of Clemens with Pennington. Especially the stuff about how weak his arm is. I mean, really. All this stuff about the "meadowlands tricky winds" and we pick up a weak-armed QB? I don't get it. Isn't that why we passed on Leinart? As for the last 2 picks......both are categorized as reaches. 3 Ohio State LB's were selected, and we passed on the 2 good ones. Oh well, we can continue to hope. Overall, with the high number of high choices available and all of the skill available in positions we are weak, WR, RB, QB, TE, and so on, we did not move on anyof those positions

From all accounts Clemens has a strong arm.

[GreenBeans]

They did get 3 starters. Granted, Clemens isn't going to start this year, but he's the "future" QB. If the Jets do in fact switch to a 3/4, they needed more ILB depth. They only had Kassel and Vilma. Schlegel provides some depth. Yeah, he doesn't have an eye popping 40, but he was part of that insane linebacking corp that Ohio State had. This might be an unfair comparision, but he could become the Jets Chris Spielman. Spielman didn't have insane numbers or great work outs, but he was a mosnter in the middle. Some points I wanted to call him the best MLB in the league. He wasn't the biggest, strongest, or fastest, but he knew how to play the game.

Smith? He was the only talent on that Spartan defense. They couldn't stop anyone. And, oen guy can't do it all. Was it a reach? In our opinions, yeah. So was Schlegel. But, right now there isn't much else to do but have faith they know what they're doing.

They had a great first two rounds. Then they went and did what the Pats do. They pick football players. Here's a thing for you. The Lions have taken Joey Harrington and Kalimba Edwards in 2002. 2003 took Charles Rogers and Boss Bailey. 2004, Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, and Teddy Lehman. 2005, Mike Williams and Shaun Cody. Those were all highly reguarded prospects. And, the Lions suck. And they were all picked in the first two rounds. So... would you rather go with the highly reguarded talent, or football players?

Also, the Lions third rounders were Andre Goodman (CB 2002), Cory Redding (DE 2003), Keith Smith (CB 2004), and Stanley Wilson (CB 2005). You can't tell me that any of them are better than what the Jets just drafted.

It's all about perspective.

One thing I read about Schlegel was that he was EXCELLENT at the point of attack and could shed the initial blocker. This is exactly opposite Jon Vilma who can play sideline to sideline. The two might just make an interesting tandem in a 3-4 set, especially on running downs. Just a thought - I might be way off base, but I guess we'll find out.

[Bugg]

Re-Clemens: Cimini's Daily News article hint that he has a weak, Pennington-like arm, while Jaworksi's review on ESPN stated he has a strong arm and backed it up with video. I'm not sure, but the tape JAws had showed a guy with a gun, not a limited 15-yard and under arm. Could it be that one misplaced or mistaken blurb as to Clemens' arms strength has talken on a life of it's own?

I'm not knocking Cimini, who's been a straight shooter, but he may not have seen much of Clemens and is relying on something he read? Nobody could see everything.

[SouthernJet]

schegel is a on field QB of defense,, SMART,, will make the defensive play calls,,Vilma was not good at that,, this lets Vilma play and not think,,,

[stormshadow19]

Re-Clemens: Cimini's Daily News article hint that he has a weak, Pennington-like arm, while Jaworksi's review on ESPN stated he has a strong arm and backed it up with video. I'm not sure, but the tape JAws had showed a guy with a gun, not a limited 15-yard and under arm. Could it be that one misplaced or mistaken blurb as to Clemens' arms strength has talken on a life of it's own?

I'm not knocking Cimini, who's been a straight shooter, but he may not have seen much of Clemens and is relying on something he read? Nobody could see everything.

Jaws couldn't say enough how much he loved the pick. It was the concensus among the analysists (save for Kiper), this was a great pick for the Jets. Jaws thought Clemens was the best QB in the draft!

[GreenBeans]

Vilma's not bad at it either, IMO. Vilma's problem is when O-Linemen get their hands on him he's screwed. Schlegel is a solution to that - he is a "secondary" D-Lineman on running downs and should free up Vilma to play his game - speed. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

[Preston Howley III]

You can't judge the picks until you see them actually play. As far as "we could have gotten them in the 5th round" I'm not so sure.

I think they moved down as far as they could and still get them.

They specifically targeted both these players. I'm sure of that. They know how to tackle, they are fundementally sound football players. Can they play in the NFL? Don't know that yet. I know alot of people thought Brian Bosworth and Tony Mandarich could, and didn't wait until the bottom of the 3rd round to grab them.

[BwanaZulia]

Jaws couldn't say enough how much he loved the pick. It was the concensus among the analysists (save for Kiper), this was a great pick for the Jets. Jaws thought Clemens was the best QB in the draft!

I like what Jaws showed and generally Jaws is right on the money.

BZ

[PeterNorth09]

OK, I like what they did getting under the cap. After all, that was Tannenbaum's area of expertise, so I wasn't surprised.

But I'm not impressed by yesterday, especially the last 3 picks, as I don't think any of those players will be consistent starting players in 2006 or even beyond.

I know Mangini and Tannenbaum are hard workers who have a plan and that's great.

But with the way yesterday went, I think any Jet fan has the right to question whether they have the RIGHT plan.

Let's not forget that no one in the Jets war room, including the "thirty something" GM and HC, had ever run an NFL Draft before yesterday.

I don't think it's outrageaous to think they could have f^'ed up, especially after the last 2 rounds.

And we don't have to wait 5 years to find out.

On THIS team, with 5 picks in the top 100, including 3 in the top 35, you should come out with 3 or 4 starters, including at least 1 impact playmaker.

Not sure we did that yesterday.

Hope I'm wrong.

Bro, with all due respect, who in the hell are you to question Mike Tanenbaum? Any move the guy makes is gold. Choosing Ferguson/Clemens over Leinart/Justice or Leinart/McNeill is an amazing move. Instead of getting the best qb prospect and the 2nd best OT prospect in the draft we got the best OT prospect and the 10th best qb prospect who probably won't even start. That's pure genius.

I love how the people on this site consider T-bomb to be this infallible figure. You know, he was around for when Terry Bradway made all those horrible moves. The Jolley move, you don't think Tanenbaum had anything to do with that?

It's going to be like Isiah Thomas. At first, Thomas looked like a genius compared to Scott Layden and who wouldn't? Two years later Thomas is about to get fired because he created a mess. Same thing will happen with Tanenbaum.

[vinnys025]

Bro, with all due respect, who in the hell are you to question Mike Tanenbaum? Any move the guy makes is gold. Choosing Ferguson/Clemens over Leinart/Justice or Leinart/McNeill is an amazing move. Instead of getting the best qb prospect and the 2nd best OT prospect in the draft we got the best OT prospect and the 10th best qb prospect who probably won't even start. That's pure genius.

I love how the people on this site consider T-bomb to be this infallible figure. You know, he was around for when Terry Bradway made all those horrible moves. The Jolley move, you don't think Tanenbaum had anything to do with that?

It's going to be like Isiah Thomas. At first, Thomas looked like a genius compared to Scott Layden and who wouldn't? Two years later Thomas is about to get fired because he created a mess. Same thing will happen with Tanenbaum.

I cant stand you already and you've only been here for less than a month. HAVE SOME PATIENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RSJ]

I cant stand you already and you've only been here for less than a month. HAVE SOME PATIENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter will be back with a new SN in acout 6 months telling us he told us this was the best draft ever.

[SouthernJet]

Peter will be back with a new SN in acout 6 months telling us he told us this was the best draft ever.

ya, 'WHERESMYGERBIL'

[NJ]

Jaws thought Clemens was the best QB in the draft!

I'll put my stock in a guy who actually played the position... successfully....and isn't a crackpot with other agenda's (various NFL players turned analyst) anyday of the week. Jaws has always had solid input best I've seen.

[joewilly]

Re-Clemens: Cimini's Daily News article hint that he has a weak, Pennington-like arm, while Jaworksi's review on ESPN stated he has a strong arm and backed it up with video. I'm not sure, but the tape JAws had showed a guy with a gun, not a limited 15-yard and under arm. Could it be that one misplaced or mistaken blurb as to Clemens' arms strength has talken on a life of it's own?

I'm not knocking Cimini, who's been a straight shooter, but he may not have seen much of Clemens and is relying on something he read? Nobody could see everything.

potw nom..........nail on the head right there bugg, & well said.

[joewilly]

I cant stand you already and you've only been here for less than a month. HAVE SOME PATIENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:) :) :) :)

this is why I don't post much, I live in fear of vinny's responses

[JetsMan57]

I would have went in another direction with the first three picks, but we still got 3 good players so I wont kill it.. The 3rd round, I feel, is where the Jets really screwed up. They could have had a superb draft had they used those picks more wisely. Now, in my opinion, this draft is leaving a lot to be desired. With guys like Pope (who worst case scenario is DEATH to cover in the red zone with his size) Norwood, Demetrius Williams, Max Giles, Gabe Watson on the board we reached for an ILBer who would have fell to the 5th and 6th and a safety who admitted HIMSELF he was shocked that he got drafted in the 3rd round....

[JoeWillie]

I cant stand you already and you've only been here for less than a month. HAVE SOME PATIENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vin - I'll assume you were talking to me, since Pete's been here longer than a month.

And, oh by the way ... it's "patience".

"Patients" usually hang out in hospitals.

[serphnx]

I cant stand you already and you've only been here for less than a month. HAVE SOME PATIENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha, I got banned on TGG because of this guy. Then he followed me here. I have him on Ignore for both sites though, makes things easier.

[serphnx]

Bro, with all due respect, who in the hell are you to question Mike Tanenbaum? Any move the guy makes is gold. Choosing Ferguson/Clemens over Leinart/Justice or Leinart/McNeill is an amazing move. Instead of getting the best qb prospect and the 2nd best OT prospect in the draft we got the best OT prospect and the 10th best qb prospect who probably won't even start. That's pure genius.

I love how the people on this site consider T-bomb to be this infallible figure. You know, he was around for when Terry Bradway made all those horrible moves. The Jolley move, you don't think Tanenbaum had anything to do with that?

It's going to be like Isiah Thomas. At first, Thomas looked like a genius compared to Scott Layden and who wouldn't? Two years later Thomas is about to get fired because he created a mess. Same thing will happen with Tanenbaum.

You're right, let's instead put faith in some poster named after a porn star! We can't possible go wrong!

Oh great Peter North, what numbers should I play for the lottery tomorrow? What do the great experts have in store for me?

[Preston Howley III]

You're right, let's instead put faith in some poster named after a porn star! We can't possible go wrong!

Oh great Peter North, what numbers should I play for the lottery tomorrow? What do the great experts have in store for me?

Pete knows his stuff. One of the smartest people I have ever met on a MB.

[Preston Howley III]

Haha, I got banned on TGG because of this guy. Then he followed me here. I have him on Ignore for both sites though, makes things easier.

Peter North??? I'm surprised, thats not like him at all. He's been nothing but wonderful and gracious since he's been posting here.

[gsnts725]

all i have to say is PeterNorth is a complete *******/idiot.

[serphnx]

Peter North??? I'm surprised, thats not like him at all. He's been nothing but wonderful and gracious since he's been posting here.

joewillie. I guess I misquoted, but someone above was complaining about joewillie. Or atleast, I thought he was. Wasn't PeterNorth around longer than a month?

[shutout]

joewillie. I guess I misquoted, but someone above was complaining about joewillie. Or atleast, I thought he was. Wasn't PeterNorth around longer than a month?

Well yeah,but before then he was known as "GlennFoley"