Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 That was a pretty good discussion until it deteriorated into personal attacks. Again. Just wondering if JonE wanted to continue this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildthing2022000 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 With the way Beckett has been pitching I think he could easily become the best postseason pitcher of all-time. Just look at what he did in '03 and '07 and I don't think there is anyone else who has ever done as good as Beckett has in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Beckett had a bad game in I believe 2003 against the Reds that I saw. His peripherals were not very good that day. He is not great, just lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 With the way Beckett has been pitching I think he could easily become the best postseason pitcher of all-time. Just look at what he did in '03 and '07 and I don't think there is anyone else who has ever done as good as Beckett has in the playoffs. Guys like Smoltz, Gibson etc were pretty tough come post season and I am sure with all the Yankee rings their are some pretty gaudy stats from starters mixed in from them as well. I posted about Beckett's talent last year but due to his giving up the long ball in his first AL season was met with lots of resistance. He is too good to not have corrected the issue and honestly, I am hard pressed to name a better big game pitcher this decade. I remember all the DL waiting to happen discussions as well. Hanley and Sanchez for Lowell and Josh sure looks like a good trade for both teams now with the edge going to the Sox due to the Sanchez injury. I will ALWAYS take the proven stud pitcher in those deals anyway. Lowell is also a very nice security blanket at 3B. Bottom line, Beckett is just entering his prime and is a absolute money pitcher. I see a lot of the same make-up in Joba as well but for now Josh is to SP in the post season what Mo is to closers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 With the way Beckett has been pitching I think he could easily become the best postseason pitcher of all-time. Just look at what he did in '03 and '07 and I don't think there is anyone else who has ever done as good as Beckett has in the playoffs. lets put down the crackpipe pal christy mathewson, sandy koufax, JOHN SMOLTZ these guys all had more success check my sig for other great preformers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 One thing to note is that normally NL going to AL pitchers struggle, and Beckett did a little last year. But I think moving to the AL has improved him as a pitcher a helluva lot. I also think having the cast around him that he does has helped: Schilling, Varitek, Wakefield can all give some decent mature, professional guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Beckett had a bad game in I believe 2003 against the Reds that I saw. His peripherals were not very good that day. He is not great, just lucky. Get your facts straight. It was 2005! Beckett has been great this year. 2006 was his only bad year when he gave up 30+ homeruns. He has been beyond dominate so far in the playoffs: 4-0, 30 Innings, 35 K's, 2 BB's and an ERA of 1.61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Beckett is a stud. Sometimes a young guy with great stuff takes some time to come around. This has been the case with Beckett and he's been as good as I've ever seen in the post season. Great deal by Theo to get this guy and anyone who refuses to acknowledge that fact is a damn fool. JMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Beckett is a stud. Sometimes a young guy with great stuff takes some time to come around. This has been the case with Beckett and he's been as good as I've ever seen in the post season. Great deal by Theo to get this guy and anyone who refuses to acknowledge that fact is a damn fool. JMO of course. He looks like Roger Clemens did back in the 80's. Beckett pitches like the batter pissed him off. Last night was a perfect example. Fastball after fastball and then throwing the curve when needed. He's on top of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidhuman Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Right now, Beckett is lights out nobody can touch him. If he keeps it up I willhave no issue acknowledging him as a reat pitcher, but tome it takes more than a season to proe you belong in the same sentence with the greats. No doubt he is great in the playoffs, 2003 and this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 beckett has to have atleast 5 more dominating years before he's ever in the same sentence as Randy or Roger. 10-12 more dominating years before he's on their level. playoff wise he's probably better than both of them though, ironically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 beckett has to have atleast 5 more dominating years before he's ever in the same sentence as Randy or Roger. 10-12 more dominating years before he's on their level. playoff wise he's probably better than both of them though, ironically. Beckett has been better than both of them in his post season career. Not a personal attack but you are a joke sometimes. This thread is mainly based on his post season resume and Randy took years to figure things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Beckett has been better than both of them in his post season career. Not a personal attack but you are a joke sometimes. This thread is mainly based on his post season resume and Randy took years to figure things out. "not a personal attack" but i am a joke? kiss my ass GS. once randy figured things out he became the most dominant lefty possibly of all time and killed my Yanks in the 01 playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 "not a personal attack" but i am a joke? kiss my ass GS. once randy figured things out he became the most dominant lefty possibly of all time and killed my Yanks in the 01 playoffs and Beckett killed em in 03. Man up...he's the real deal despite not being from the dead ball era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 and Beckett killed em in 03. Man up...he's the real deal despite not being from the dead ball era. so i'm supposed to annoint Beckett as the greatest pitcher of all time now? john smoltz > josh beckett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 so i'm supposed to annoint Beckett as the greatest pitcher of all time now? john smoltz > josh beckett Read the thread ....I gave Smoltz kudos but post season...Beckett is better. You're in over your head due to RSox hatred...call a cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Again, I gave Kudos to Smoltz but Becketts numbers are still superior....we both know Smoltz's stats are slightly misconstrued due to his innings as a 1 inning reliever. 2.72 ERA as a starter with a 13-4 record in 188.2 IP 1.96 ERA with 2 wins and a save as a closer in 18.1 IP slightly, sure. doesn't matter to me because it's still a longer resume than Beckett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 2.72 ERA as a starter with a 13-4 record in 188.2 IP 1.96 ERA with 2 wins and a save as a closer in 18.1 IP slightly, sure. doesn't matter to me because it's still a longer resume than Beckett. Yep ...so does Joe Niekro with what 18 innings but yet you ranked him higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Yep ...so does Joe Niekro with what 18 innings but yet you ranked him higher. hahaha thats because i was at school and had to run so i just threw his name in there. Until Neikro gives up his first run my rankings will not change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 That was a pretty good discussion until it deteriorated into personal attacks. Again. Just wondering if JonE wanted to continue this discussion. yeah like that's gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 Blackout- Why is Schilling not in your top ten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I just read on Fox Sports that Josh Beckett is now #1 alltime post season leader in opponents batting ave. (min. 40 innings) . He limits opponents to a .159 BA passing Earnshaw (.174) , Rivera (.176) and Sandy Koufax (.180). Beckett is also #1 in OBP limiting opponents to 0.209. Rivera is next at .211 with Koufax 3rd with 0.223. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I just read on Fox Sports that Josh Beckett is now #1 alltime post season leader in opponents batting ave. (min. 40 innings) . He limits opponents to a .159 BA passing Earnshaw (.174) , Rivera (.176) and Sandy Koufax (.180). Beckett is also #1 in OBP limiting opponents to 0.209. Rivera is next at .211 with Koufax 3rd with 0.223. its Foxsports take it for what its worth wonder where my boy "Big Six" is on that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Blackout- Why is Schilling not in your top ten? forgot him when i made that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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