Another Mike and Mike Moment

[SoFlaJets]

I happened to be watching this morning and Greenberg was saying he hopes his team loses for draft order-I can't go there I just can't I was never more miserable as a Jets fan that I was when people on the boards had me convinced (for about 3 weeks) that we would be better off losing so we could draft the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ Himself (Reggie Bush)...I want to win out I want the Jets to end up 7-9...I've seen clips of this McFadden kid and from what I've seen he kind of reminds me of Brad Baxter-not worth losing out for...

[nico002]

I like Greeny because hes a Jets fan.

However, he is clueless when it comes to anything related to sports.

[drago]

I happened to be watching this morning and Greenberg was saying he hopes his team loses for draft order-I can't go there I just can't I was never more miserable as a Jets fan that I was when people on the boards had me convinced (for about 3 weeks) that we would be better off losing so we could draft the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ Himself (Reggie Bush)...I want to win out I want the Jets to end up 7-9...I've seen clips of this McFadden kid and from what I've seen he kind of reminds me of Brad Baxter-not worth losing out for...

all of the runs i've seen have him running through the line untouched. I just don't see him get hit and keep moving. We'd be better served getting a RB like Jones-Drew (who can usually be had later) so we have someone for goal line or short yardage.

It's really too bad we have jones, he's killing us in cap space and suckage.

[SoFlaJets]

all of the runs i've seen have him running through the line untouched. I just don't see him get hit and keep moving. We'd be better served getting a RB like Jones-Drew (who can usually be had later) so we have someone for goal line or short yardage.

It's really too bad we have jones, he's killing us in cap space and suckage.

I think it's unfair to judge anybody on this offense until we get a real O-line-that goes from Clemens to TJ

[drago]

I think it's unfair to judge anybody on this offense until we get a real O-line-that goes from Clemens to TJ

when i see Leon putting up the numbers he does, despite his limited carries, it really makes me question TJ.

You saw the Miami game first hand, all the early run plays were stuffed. It was only when Leon came in did things open up (second quarter). Then once LEON tired them out, TJ's runs went from 'terrible' to 'decent'.

As KC goes, he'll be fine, i think we have a winner with our favorite Duck.

[rillo]

when i see Leon putting up the numbers he does, despite his limited carries, it really makes me question TJ.

You saw the Miami game first hand, all the early run plays were stuffed. It was only when Leon came in did things open up (second quarter). Then once LEON tired them out, TJ's runs went from 'terrible' to 'decent'.

As KC goes, he'll be fine, i think we have a winner with our favorite Duck.

TJ is a type of back that needs a lead blocker, we need a real FB and stop this running out of the single back formation. Also Miami has had trouble stopping the run this year so to base it off the Miami game is a bit of stretch. I think TJ will be fine with some improved Oline help and a FB. IMO

[tparich]

I think it's unfair to judge anybody on this offense until we get a real O-line-that goes from Clemens to TJ

You mean now that Chad is out?

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I am not in favor of drafting Darren McFadden and I hope the Jets will be smart and trade down and look to draft 34 OLB Quentin Groves, RT Jake Long or WR DeSean Jackson.

[SoFlaJets]

You mean now that Chad is out?

what the hell is that supposed to mean? Chad isn't the QB anymore-and will probably never be again

[tparich]

what the hell is that supposed to mean? Chad isn't the QB anymore-and will probably never be again

Wan't really meant to be pointed at you like it sounds. I see that now.

More meant at the whole since Chad was being judged on everything he did with the same crap O Line

[drago]

TJ is a type of back that needs a lead blocker, we need a real FB and stop this running out of the single back formation. Also Miami has had trouble stopping the run this year so to base it off the Miami game is a bit of stretch. I think TJ will be fine with some improved Oline help and a FB. IMO

Since miami is bad against the run, don't you think TJ would shine? What happens when he is going against a good defense?

I'm tired the TJ excuses, yeah he makes money, yeah he was supposed to be good...problem is, he isn't even as good as his back up.

Instead of TJ, we should have gotten a back to compliment Leon, even if they split carries, make it look like it did in Atl for a while, Dunn and Duckett, or like Tampa with Alstott and Dunn.

Unless TJ learns to hit the hole as hard as he can, he will always be the Jets' number 2 scat back.

[SoFlaJets]

Wan't really meant to be pointed at you like it sounds. I see that now.

More meant at the whole since Chad was being judged on everything he did with the same crap O Line

ancient history TP...

[rillo]

Since miami is bad against the run, don't you think TJ would shine? What happens when he is going against a good defense?

I'm tired the TJ excuses, yeah he makes money, yeah he was supposed to be good...problem is, he isn't even as good as his back up.

Instead of TJ, we should have gotten a back to compliment Leon, even if they split carries, make it look like it did in Atl for a while, Dunn and Duckett, or like Tampa with Alstott and Dunn.

Unless TJ learns to hit the hole as hard as he can, he will always be the Jets' number 2 scat back.

To be fair, alot of games this year TJ only had like 12-15 carries....that can't happen, we have to commit to the run even if we lose some yards. I've seen too many games this year that we've abandon the run. I'm a huge Leon fan, but this Oline can't even holes for him, also we limit the time he gets on the field also. Lets give it one more year, and lets see if this regime wants to upgrade the Oline and FB before we start calling TJ a bust in green n white. I don't know how you feel about drafting McFadden....but he's not gonna help either.

[SoFlaJets]

To be fair, alot of games this year TJ only had like 12-15 carries....that can't happen, we have to commit to the run even if we lose some yards. I've seen too many games this year that we've abandon the run. I'm a huge Leon fan, but this Oline can't even holes for him, also we limit the time he gets on the field also. Lets give it one more year, and lets see if this regime wants to upgrade the Oline and FB before we start calling TJ a bust in green n white. I don't know how you feel about drafting McFadden....but he's not gonna help either.

why even bother WITH a FB rillo when we don't use one anyway? Darien Barnes should have been playing as a hole opener for our backs-instead he's on the unemployment line now-he was a good FB at Miami but was never given a chance here-when your OL is playing the way ours has all year you NEED another big body back there to block-this is playing to your weakness instead of trying to strengthen what is wrong

[rillo]

why even bother WITH a FB rillo when we don't use one anyway? Darien Barnes should have been playing as a hole opener for our backs-instead he's on the unemployment line now-he was a good FB at Miami but was never given a chance here-when your OL is playing the way ours has all year you NEED another big body back there to block-this is playing to your weakness instead of trying to strengthen what is wrong

I totally agree....I think we have to use a FB in this offense. Along with upgrading the line, if i recall we used Askew last year in this offense.

[DaBrick Wall]

I am not in favor of drafting Darren McFadden and I hope the Jets will be smart and trade down and look to draft 34 OLB Quentin Groves, RT Jake Long or WR DeSean Jackson.

So it wouldn't be smart to draft a RB that is an amazing playmaker, but we should draft a position not in need like WR who isn't even close to McFadden's talent? McFadden would give the Jets playmaking ability that they've lacked for years. And Jake Long is not a RT.

[rillo]

So it wouldn't be smart to draft a RB that is an amazing playmaker, but we should draft a position not in need like WR who isn't even close to McFadden's talent? McFadden would give the Jets playmaking ability that they've lacked for years. And Jake Long is not a RT.

Way to much money tied up in one position, RB isn't a need on this team. Building both lines is a major issue coming into this off season. McFadden might be a amazing playmaker in the NFL, but if no one is making holes for him its a lost cause. Also WR is a need on this team too, however IDK about drafting one in the 1st.

[124]

So it wouldn't be smart to draft a RB that is an amazing playmaker, but we should draft a position not in need like WR who isn't even close to McFadden's talent? McFadden would give the Jets playmaking ability that they've lacked for years. And Jake Long is not a RT.

So with Thomas Jones and Leon Washington we should draft Darren McFadden? Yeah, thats a need alright.

Oh and Jake Long can become a RT. Check out Mr. Levi Brown in Arizona. He's made a transition over there to protect Leinart, well, was protecting him well until he was hurt.

McFadden is not a need. There are three bigger needs on Offense. Actually, four.

1. LG

2. RT

3. #3 WR

4. Veteran back-up Quarterback

Then on Defense you need to look at Nose Tackle because I still don't see Robertson as a 34 NT, no matter how he's played the last few weeks. Also, a 34 OLB pass rushing specialist is a must as well as a #2 Cornerback.

[mudcat21]

So it wouldn't be smart to draft a RB that is an amazing playmaker, but we should draft a position not in need like WR who isn't even close to McFadden's talent? McFadden would give the Jets playmaking ability that they've lacked for years

I totally agree. We can get OL, LBs, and a WR later in the draft. McFadden is a playmaker like Peterson for the Vikes only better.

[DaBrick Wall]

Way to much money tied up in one position, RB isn't a need on this team. Building both lines is a major issue coming into this off season. McFadden might be a amazing playmaker in the NFL, but if no one is making holes for him its a lost cause. Also WR is a need on this team too, however IDK about drafting one in the 1st.

WR isn't a huge need with Cotch and Coles manning the position. I agree that O-line and D-line are much major needs, but I believe in the BPA theory. And there isn't any RT that's worth drafting that high, and only Chris Long is worth drafting up there on defense.

[124]

I totally agree. We can get OL, LBs, and a WR later in the draft. McFadden is a playmaker like Peterson for the Vikes only better.

Darren McFadden will never come close to sniffing Adrian Peterson's jock strap. Ridiculous love affair for this guy on this board and throughout the nation. Cannot wait to see him flop, just hopefully it is not here.

[124]

WR isn't a huge need with Cotch and Coles manning the position. I agree that O-line and D-line are much major needs, but I believe in the BPA theory. And there isn't any RT that's worth drafting that high, and only Chris Long is worth drafting up there on defense.

Coles is getting older by the year and stated I believe this past offseason that he only wanted to play another three years. Also, most successful teams need a third wideout, not only for in case of injury, but to have more than two options if the opposing team has a good starting secondary.

Chris Long? Yeah, great, a 43 DE for the 34, that would be excellent.

****, lets draft Brian Brohm while we're at it too.

[DaBrick Wall]

Darren McFadden will never come close to sniffing Adrian Peterson's jock strap. Ridiculous love affair for this guy on this board and throughout the nation. Cannot wait to see him flop, just hopefully it is not here.

Yeah definitely. Because anyone who runs for 200+ yards against a Top 10 rush defense in LSU absolutely sucks.

[124]

Yeah definitely. Because anyone who runs for 200+ yards against a Top 10 rush defense in LSU absolutely sucks.

Hello. Its college. And Adrian Peterson ran for 200 like it was his job in College. BTW, didn't that Arkansas-LSU game go into 3 OT's? Did he have 200 before the first over-time even? Doubtful.

[DaBrick Wall]

Coles is getting older by the year and stated I believe this past offseason that he only wanted to play another three years. Also, most successful teams need a third wideout, not only for in case of injury, but to have more than two options if the opposing team has a good starting secondary.

Chris Long? Yeah, great, a 43 DE for the 34, that would be excellent.

****, lets draft Brian Brohm while we're at it too.

What are you talking about? Chris Long plays DE in the 3-4 now. ANyway, who do you propose drafting?

[DaBrick Wall]

Hello. Its college. And Adrian Peterson ran for 200 like it was his job in College. BTW, didn't that Arkansas-LSU game go into 3 OT's? Did he have 200 before the first over-time even? Doubtful.

Yeah, it's college. I guess college is absolutely no indication of what potential a player may have.

[124]

What are you talking about? Chris Long plays DE in the 3-4 now. ANyway, who do you propose drafting?

In the NFL, you need your 34 ends to be 300lbs, or damn near close that (295). Chris Long is what? 280? Not a great fit unless he plans to put on another 15-20lbs of muscle. Hard to do.

I propose a trade down and select Quentin Groves, a 6'4, 260lb 43 DE who is a perfect fit in the 34 OLB role as a pass rushing specialist. He is from Auburn and he would be a very safe pick and by trading down a few spots would give us more draft selections, which we very much need.

[drago]

To be fair, alot of games this year TJ only had like 12-15 carries....that can't happen, we have to commit to the run even if we lose some yards. I've seen too many games this year that we've abandon the run. I'm a huge Leon fan, but this Oline can't even holes for him, also we limit the time he gets on the field also. Lets give it one more year, and lets see if this regime wants to upgrade the Oline and FB before we start calling TJ a bust in green n white. I don't know how you feel about drafting McFadden....but he's not gonna help either.

Part of the reason they coudln't keep giving TJ the ball was that he goes down like a two dollar hooker. I would abandon the running game too if i had 'fly girl' back there.

This O-line isn't as bad as some want to believe. Montgomery has been playing well, and i still stand behind Moore. They are both capable, neither are stars, but they can certainly do there job to, or around a decent level.

I'm tired of TJ, but no where near wanted McFadden. Even if he is great would would essentially be paying TJ, 5 million a year (for nothing, i know), McFadden around 7 mil a year, and you can bet Leon will want a new one in a few years. What should we do? tie up almost a fifth of our cap in two RB's?

McFadden could be good, he could even be great, but he will not be a jet. The numbers do not work.

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Yeah, it's college. I guess college is absolutely no indication of what potential a player may have.

Ah but notice you side-stepping away from the fact that the Arkansas-LSU game went into triple over-time and he barely eclipsed 200 yards. Against an LSU defense with a 50% Glenn Dorsey no less.

[drago]

Yeah definitely. Because anyone who runs for 200+ yards against a Top 10 rush defense in LSU absolutely sucks.

Reggie Bush, Curtis Enus, Lendale White...by no means will it make him great...he probably will be good, just not worth 6 mil a year, plus incentives.

[124]

Part of the reason they coudln't keep giving TJ the ball was that he goes down like a two dollar hooker. I would abandon the running game too if i had 'fly girl' back there.

This O-line isn't as bad as some want to believe. Montgomery has been playing well, and i still stand behind Moore. They are both capable, neither are stars, but they can certainly do there job to, or around a decent level.

I'm tired of TJ, but no where near wanted McFadden. Even if he is great would would essentially be paying TJ, 5 million a year (for nothing, i know), McFadden around 7 mil a year, and you can bet Leon will want a new one in a few years. What should we do? tie up almost a fifth of our cap in two RB's?

McFadden could be good, he could even be great, but he will not be a jet. The numbers do not work.

I don't know how you can be sold on Montgomery drago, but I too am sold on Brandon Moore. The areas of need on the line are LG and RT, not LG and RG.

And you're right, the line isn't as bad as some make it out to be, but that is in terms of pass protection. When it comes to running the ball, they are as inconsistent as they come. The Jets very much need a run blocking Left Guard in there who can also hold his own pretty well against the pass (Adrien Clarke can do neither and we havn't seen more than 2 games from Montgomery).

And lastly, you're right, there is NO WAY the Jets will give a quarter or fifth of their salary cap to two running backs.

[rillo]

Part of the reason they coudln't keep giving TJ the ball was that he goes down like a two dollar hooker. I would abandon the running game too if i had 'fly girl' back there.

This O-line isn't as bad as some want to believe. Montgomery has been playing well, and i still stand behind Moore. They are both capable, neither are stars, but they can certainly do there job to, or around a decent level.

I'm tired of TJ, but no where near wanted McFadden. Even if he is great would would essentially be paying TJ, 5 million a year (for nothing, i know), McFadden around 7 mil a year, and you can bet Leon will want a new one in a few years. What should we do? tie up almost a fifth of our cap in two RB's?

McFadden could be good, he could even be great, but he will not be a jet. The numbers do not work.

I totally agree with you on McFadden...I say pass. But we agree to disagree on TJ and the Oline.

[NY JETS 29]

We talk a lot about drafting defense, which i dont disagree with, but we have a HUGGGE gap on our offensive line and Faneca isnt too realistic, looks like he will give Pitt the home town discount. We need to draft on offensive lineman who will compliment ferguson and mangold so we have a good line for clemens for the next few years. i dont know exactly who is available and worth drafting right now, i usually dont start researching draft stuff until february.

[124]

We talk a lot about drafting defense, which i dont disagree with, but we have a HUGGGE gap on our offensive line and Faneca isnt too realistic, looks like he will give Pitt the home town discount. We need to draft on offensive lineman who will compliment ferguson and mangold so we have a good line for clemens for the next few years. i dont know exactly who is available and worth drafting right now, i usually dont start researching draft stuff until february.

If Faneca does indeed stay in Pittsburgh there is always Ryan Lilja (LG from Indianapolis) and Jake Scott (RG from Indianapolis who could possibly be moved to the left side). After those guys the position of Guard is bare on the Free Agent market and we'd have to turn our attention to the draft for one. However, we need to find someone who could step in and be an upgrade and improvment immediately. This team should be in a rebuilding mode. They've lost 5 games by 7 points or less. We could easily have been the 7-5 team entering this Sunday's game.

[SoFlaJets]

I don't like the idea of drafting WR's and expecting them to be good right away-I hope we can con Chad Johnson away from Cincy somehow