CTM Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 This sounds very similar to Vicious' role. Is this a counter claim? It's a role cop... I usually see it as an evil role though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Is a scout different than an investigator? Like, Vic would get 'guilty or innocent' and you'd get 'doctor' and 'finder' and 'serial killer'? If you've found a role that's good for the town, you should probably not reveal it. I assume it's player, coach etc and not sure what it will say for the SK.. so far all I've seen is doc. I hope this doesn't spell a MK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 It's a role cop... I usually see it as an evil role though.. I don't think he's counterclaiming me but I don't see how this is beneficial whatsoever to the town.... So he knows who our doctor is, who I am, etc. But what does that do at all for us? Possibly allowing us avoid a bad lynch? Even then he'd have to stop us and then scum KNOWS that person has a role. It'd only benefit the scum, I could be off but that's what I get from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I don't think he's counterclaiming me but I don't see how this is beneficial whatsoever to the town.... So he knows who our doctor is, who I am, etc. But what does that do at all for us? Possibly allowing us avoid a bad lynch? Even then he'd have to stop us and then scum KNOWS that person has a role. It'd only benefit the scum, I could be off but that's what I get from it. This is why it's usually evil.. Unless the mafia has roles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 It's a role cop... I usually see it as an evil role though.. I don't think he's counterclaiming me but I don't see how this is beneficial whatsoever to the town.... So he knows who our doctor is, who I am, etc. But what does that do at all for us? Possibly allowing us avoid a bad lynch? Even then he'd have to stop us and then scum KNOWS that person has a role. It'd only benefit the scum, I could be off but that's what I get from it. I see where both of you are going with this, but I'd be inclined to let him make it thru the day at this point, and see what the night brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I assume it's player, coach etc and not sure what it will say for the SK.. so far all I've seen is doc. I hope this doesn't spell a MK. Unvote: Pac. vote: AVM I'd prefer to vote Norway, but since Pac is voting AVM, at least I know he's not the doc. Odds are Pac gets killed tonight - doc needs to continue protecting vicious. But vic, you may want to consider investigating Pac at some point if he survives. Does anyone want to migrate to Norway with me? (No Homo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I don't think he's counterclaiming me but I don't see how this is beneficial whatsoever to the town.... So he knows who our doctor is, who I am, etc. But what does that do at all for us? Possibly allowing us avoid a bad lynch? Even then he'd have to stop us and then scum KNOWS that person has a role. It'd only benefit the scum, I could be off but that's what I get from it. I tend to agree. Something's odd here. We have a cop (revealed) We have a doc (assuming) We have a role revealer (revealed) We have a vig/SK (assuming) How many mafia are there and what are their powers? There might be some power mafia roles out there (JVoR) was a nobody. This is only a 16 player game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 This is why it's usually evil.. Unless the mafia has roles.. Which they could... but then they'd have to have roles in which they wouldnt' turn back "guilty" or something to me i.e multiple godfathers. I don't know what to think on this. I know we're not supposed to "talk" about it but we can let him live and I can investigate him tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I don't think he's counterclaiming me but I don't see how this is beneficial whatsoever to the town.... So he knows who our doctor is, who I am, etc. But what does that do at all for us? Possibly allowing us avoid a bad lynch? Even then he'd have to stop us and then scum KNOWS that person has a role. It'd only benefit the scum, I could be off but that's what I get from it. I've seen it benefitting the town. The role can work like a symp does for the mafia - subtly deflecting attention away from known roled lynch candidates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I've seen it benefitting the town. The role can work like a symp does for the mafia - subtly deflecting attention away from known roled lynch candidates So then once he's revealed, he's useless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodyPaige Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I see where both of you are going with this, but I'd be inclined to let him make it thru the day at this point, and see what the night brings. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Which they could... but then they'd have to have roles in which they wouldnt' turn back "guilty" or something to me i.e multiple godfathers. I don't know what to think on this. I know we're not supposed to "talk" about it but we can let him live and I can investigate him tonight. I wouldn't investigate him tonight, necessarily. But I'd definitely investigate him soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Unvote: Pac. vote: AVM I'd prefer to vote Norway, but since Pac is voting AVM, at least I know he's not the doc. Odds are Pac gets killed tonight - doc needs to continue protecting vicious. But vic, you may want to consider investigating Pac at some point if he survives. Does anyone want to migrate to Norway with me? (No Homo) Pac has had only 1 night to investigate someone, so I presume his sole investigation/role finding turned up the doc. Thus, he shouldn't have any info on AVM. BUT ... Pac, can you get role reveals during the day phase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I see where both of you are going with this, but I'd be inclined to let him make it thru the day at this point, and see what the night brings. So here's the thing with him and vic exposed and the doc now potentially known to scum, one of Pac or Vic should die tonight. (Most likely pac, if he's innocent) The doctor should still protect Vic, unless Pac can explain how his role is useful for the town (other then confirming innocents and roleclaims) If Pac lives and continues to live, we have to assume he's guilty at some point.. --- if he' being honest about his role and lieing about his alignment, the downside is that we let him live and he finds other town power roles that the mafia will then NK. They already know vic, they claim to know doc, so I'm not sure what else he will find to be honest.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I tend to agree. Something's odd here. We have a cop (revealed) We have a doc (assuming) We have a role revealer (revealed) We have a vig/SK (assuming) How many mafia are there and what are their powers? There might be some power mafia roles out there (JVoR) was a nobody. This is only a 16 player game. perhaps there's more mafia than the 4 you've been assuming all game. I never said my role is the most important but i just am playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodyPaige Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I've seen it benefitting the town. The role can work like a symp does for the mafia - subtly deflecting attention away from known roled lynch candidates Unfortunately it wont be subtle now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 So then once he's revealed, he's useless? Not necessarily. A smart player can also use it to direct the mafia to NK roleless players once he's out in the open by "deflecting" attention from people he's investigated as roleless. Mix it up, and you can actually do both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Pac has had only 1 night to investigate someone, so I presume his sole investigation/role finding turned up the doc. Thus, he shouldn't have any info on AVM. BUT ... Pac, can you get role reveals during the day phase? no. submit a name each night yada yada. I didn't want to reveal because with Vic being the cop it obviously puts me in a precarious position but I guess it's better to go out with honor over night than it is have potential teammates lynch me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Unvote Pac for now, until I get some feedback on my last post. THis post is innocent looking to me. He's one of the top choices, and unvotes the TOP choice based on vote pattern. Scum wouldn't do that unless to wifom, and if you are doing that already I tip my cap to you.. unvote vote AVM He says he's roleless, and he could be the SK, which makes a lot of sense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Not necessarily. A smart player can also use it to direct the mafia to NK roleless players once he's out in the open by "deflecting" attention from people he's investigated as roleless. Mix it up, and you can actually do both Damn, that screws us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Unfortunately it wont be subtle now. Basically- the difference between him and I in favor of the town is if I say STOP it's not like the mafia doesn't know who's innocent or not. If he yells stop... yea that person dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 So here's the thing with him and vic exposed and the doc now potentially known to scum, one of Pac or Vic should die tonight. (Most likely pac, if he's innocent) The doctor should still protect Vic, unless Pac can explain how his role is useful for the town (other then confirming innocents and roleclaims) If Pac lives and continues to live, we have to assume he's guilty at some point.. --- if he' being honest about his role and lieing about his alignment, the downside is that we let him live and he finds other town power roles that the mafia will then NK. They already know vic, they claim to know doc, so I'm not sure what else he will find to be honest.. If he's lying, he's likely lying about knowing the doc. If the doc dies tonight, we lynch Pac tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Damn, that screws us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 If he's lying, he's likely lying about knowing the doc. If the doc dies tonight, we lynch Pac tomorrow. Or he's trying to spook the doc into protecting himself instead of the COP, so they have a free shot at the cop tonight.. I think Pac should live and we'll see where it goes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Unvote: Pac. vote: AVM I'd prefer to vote Norway, but since Pac is voting AVM, at least I know he's not the doc. Odds are Pac gets killed tonight - doc needs to continue protecting vicious. But vic, you may want to consider investigating Pac at some point if he survives. Does anyone want to migrate to Norway with me? (No Homo) Vic's already said he's going to investigate Pac tonight. I'm willing to give it the night for this to happen. Since no one seems to be willing to go SMC with me, I'll stay in my top 3, and go with you on AVM. Tomorrow morning should reveal some very interesting results, in what's got to be a crazy night of WIFOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Vote Count: AVM (5) - WoodyPaige, Jets Things, Pac2566, Doggin94it, CTM Sharrow (2) - Norway'sWaddlingMarmaloof, SMC Pac2566 (2) - AVM, Dan X SMC (1) - Vicious89x With 13 players remaining, it takes 7 votes to cut. MOD NOTE: You can't unvote people you never voted for... dumbasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 If he's lying, he's likely lying about knowing the doc. If the doc dies tonight, we lynch Pac tomorrow. I also thought it was a pretty lucky shot to turn up the Doc on his first night out. Pac, are you a Jet player? Or do you have the name of a Jet scout? I don't want the name, mind you, I was just under the impression from the beginning that everyone was assigned a player's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'll go with AVM, he's still in my top 3. Vote AVM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 He could check vicious for us tonight, of course if he's dead tomorrow, it won't do us any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I also thought it was a pretty lucky shot to turn up the Doc on his first night out. Pac, are you a Jet player? Or do you have the name of a Jet scout? I don't want the name, mind you, I was just under the impression from the beginning that everyone was assigned a player's name. bradway or clinkscales he'd have to be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Vote Count: AVM (6) - WoodyPaige, Jets Things, Pac2566, Doggin94it, CTM, EY Sharrow (2) - Norway'sWaddlingMarmaloof, SMC Pac2566 (2) - AVM, Dan X SMC (1) - Vicious89x With 13 players remaining, it takes 7 votes to cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Vic's already said he's going to investigate Pac tonight. If Vic said that someone should punch one of his vulva's... If true, the mafia kills Pac, and we lose a power role and confirmed innocent.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Damn, that screws us. funny... that's another reason I didn't want to reveal and was playing up the inexperience.. I don't necessarily know the best way to proceed with my results. I've avoided it because I just wanted it to be fun but I guess I'll have to read up on that Wiki Mafia page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Vic's already said he's going to investigate Pac tonight. I'm willing to give it the night for this to happen. Since no one seems to be willing to go SMC with me, I'll stay in my top 3, and go with you on AVM. Tomorrow morning should reveal some very interesting results, in what's got to be a crazy night of WIFOM. I don't really want to. They could just kill him off anyways because it's feasible he can find their godfather (if there is one) and I have a wasted investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 If he's lying, he's likely lying about knowing the doc. If the doc dies tonight, we lynch Pac tomorrow. bradway or clinkscales he'd have to be.. If I was assigned Bradway, I would've voted for myself with my first post. If it's not odd to others that he's not a player, I'll let it slide I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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