Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Nothing too worthwhile and would be rendered useless if i said it You're gonna die. Say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan. Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 It has nothing to do with feeling right now. Read my post above, its a pure logic play at this point. You don't lynch the claimed investigative role first in this scenario. ESPECIALLY since he can give his results after he dies. Lynch CTM, if he's scum, we let AVM track one more time and he probably gets NK, but he can gives us an additional report. If CTM is town, we kill AVM tomorrow for an easy lynch. Either way, we retain the advantage, but the prior scenario gets us an additional report. I knowwww, lol. It's frustrating, though. Numbers wise, even if there is some sort of lynch avoidance, would we still be okay? Does that make it really close to end game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 It has nothing to do with feeling right now. Read my post above, its a pure logic play at this point. You don't lynch the claimed investigative role first in this scenario. ESPECIALLY since he can give his results after he dies. Lynch CTM, if he's scum, we let AVM track one more time and he probably gets NK, but he can gives us an additional report. If CTM is town, we kill AVM tomorrow for an easy lynch. Either way, we retain the advantage, but the prior scenario gets us an additional report. No, you idiot.. pur logic is what did the town in when slats was scum.. sheesh.. you even dsaid to me that i play by the books too much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 My opinion. We lynch CTM and if he's town vig kill AVM? ftr, you got an innocent on CTM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I knowwww, lol. It's frustrating, though. Numbers wise, even if there is some sort of lynch avoidance, would we still be okay? Does that make it really close to end game? IF there's a lynch avoidance we're at 7-3 still. Lynch CTM (if I'm scum) and you're 6-3. NK by scum makes it 5-3. No lynch (avoidance) makes it 5-3, and the NK 4-3. Then you know to speed lynch me the next day. Scum still wouldn't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 10 players alive. I'm guessing there were 5 scum, meaning 3 are left. 7 town, 3 scum. Lynch me now, that puts you at 6 and 3 (if I'm town). Tonight scum kill, it's 5 and 3. Tomorrow you speed lynch CTM, 5 and 2. Another mislynch would put it at 4 and 2 that night, then 3 and 2 the next day. You can afford two mislynches...so lynch me first, prove me as town, and lynch CTM. Either way, towns still ok. since you are scum, i'll take your word for it.. 7 versus 3 lynch me today and a nk makes it 5 versus 3 lynch avm, anotehr nk 4 versus = lylo this is ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 10 players alive. I'm guessing there were 5 scum, meaning 3 are left. 7 town, 3 scum. Lynch me now, that puts you at 6 and 3 (if I'm town). Tonight scum kill, it's 5 and 3. Tomorrow you speed lynch CTM, 5 and 2. Another mislynch would put it at 4 and 2 that night, then 3 and 2 the next day. You can afford two mislynches...so lynch me first, prove me as town, and lynch CTM. Either way, towns still ok. With no SK in the game, I was assuming 4 scum - especially if they have a GF, silencer, double-voter and bomb. Town so far: Cop, Doc, Vig, 1-time double-vote and maybe a Tracker. Basic set of town roles really - but scum is souped up. Anyway, I do agree that town still retains a decent numbers advantage - and CTM is the right lynch here, given the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 It has nothing to do with feeling right now. Read my post above, its a pure logic play at this point. You don't lynch the claimed investigative role first in this scenario. ESPECIALLY since he can give his results after he dies. Lynch CTM, if he's scum, we let AVM track one more time and he probably gets NK, but he can gives us an additional report. If CTM is town, we kill AVM tomorrow for an easy lynch. Either way, we retain the advantage, but the prior scenario gets us an additional report. + 1 to this. Plus it will be oh so fun to kill CTM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 since you are scum, i'll take your word for it.. 7 versus 3 lynch me today and a nk makes it 5 versus 3 lynch avm, anotehr nk 4 versus = lylo this is ftw You left out the Vig kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 ftr, you got an innocent on CTM? Not important. I want an answer on CTMs role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Innocent result townie lol. How cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Oh whatever he's scum. Kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 You left out the Vig kills. maybe they have a roleblocker and have narrowed him down to me and him, maybe the vig can only kill odd days.. thsi isn't a no brainer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan. Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 You left out the Vig kills. I don't think we should count on any vig kills ... there may be some limitation. Have they been happening every night? Or they could NK the vig, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 since you are scum, i'll take your word for it.. 7 versus 3 lynch me today and a nk makes it 5 versus 3 lynch avm, anotehr nk 4 versus = lylo this is ftw would be 4 vs 2. We have 2 mislynches left, not 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 The alternative downside to that is we kill off the watcher. Not that it matters too much; he's dead tonight if he's telling the truth. My take is that, if AVM is ballsy enough to make a move like this as scum, you tip your hat to him and move on. Worrying about a lynch avoidance just isn't a big enough deterrent to taking out CTM. In this worst case scenario, after lynching AVM twice its at worst what, 5 to 2 for the town? Definitely not an impossible situation. No, you don't just tip your cap when you can actually read a player's gameplay... For starters, scum has been shown to each have pretty decent powers at this point, and Hess has recycled some roles for scum that has been used before. Lynch avoidance has been pretty common of late, don't see why it's crazy to expect that at this point. Also, how do we know this isn't a one-shot vig kill. There hasn't been multiple deaths yet until now..and it's been what, four or five nights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 HE IS SCUM KILL HIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 would be 4 vs 2. We have 2 mislynches left, not 1. 4 versus 2 is 1 mislynch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 would be 4 vs 2. We have 2 mislynches left, not 1. 4 versus 2 is 1 mislynch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I don't think we should count on any vig kills ... there may be some limitation. Have they been happening every night? Or they could NK the vig, too. I'm not counting on them. He just left that variable out while "running the numbers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 maybe they have a roleblocker and have narrowed him down to me and him, maybe the vig can only kill odd days.. thsi isn't a no brainer!! This is what's driving me crazy. Sure, you can be scum and this is all moot, but people who are taking this as a slam-dunk easy decision have their heads up their asses right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 HE IS SCUM KILL HIM. you know you have an innocent result on me an this? queer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 you know you have an innocent result on me an this? queer I don't have that. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 so did Vicious NOT get a result then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm not counting on them. He just left that variable out while "running the numbers". I did not you stupid **** i think they either think i'm the vig or that if it's not me it has to be someone else.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 No, you don't just tip your cap when you can actually read a player's gameplay... For starters, scum has been shown to each have pretty decent powers at this point, and Hess has recycled some roles for scum that has been used before. Lynch avoidance has been pretty common of late, don't see why it's crazy to expect that at this point. Also, how do we know this isn't a one-shot vig kill. There hasn't been multiple deaths yet until now..and it's been what, four or five nights? There have been two vig kills (Jack D on D3, JIF on N4) - here is the breakdown of all deaths: Jets Voice of Reason (Town, killed in opening of game) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1832361 WWWWombat (Town, lynched D1) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1832656 (N1, no NK) Jetsfan80 (Town, lynched D2) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1834233 Verbal (Town, silenced D2, killed N2) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1834331 Jack D (Town, vigkill on D3) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1835051 Pac (Town, lynched D3) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1835684 Jetscode (Town, killed N3) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1835816 Smash (Scum bomb, lynched D4) Slats (Town Doc, killed by Smash/BOMB D4) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1836206 Vicious89x (Town Cop, killed N4) JiF (Scum 1-time doublevote, vigkill N4) http://www.jetnation.com/forums/index.php?/topic/98553-hell-house-mafia-game-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1836383 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I don't have that. Sorry. So you have a scum investigation on him? Sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I did not you stupid **** i think they either think i'm the vig or that if it's not me it has to be someone else.. If You were the big you would've visited JIF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 If You were the big you would've visited JIF. 1) Avm is lying and 2) I'm not the vig i think they think i am, or have narrowed it down to me and 1 other person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 So you have a scum investigation on him? Sweet. I said kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 No, you don't just tip your cap when you can actually read a player's gameplay... For starters, scum has been shown to each have pretty decent powers at this point, and Hess has recycled some roles for scum that has been used before. Lynch avoidance has been pretty common of late, don't see why it's crazy to expect that at this point. Also, how do we know this isn't a one-shot vig kill. There hasn't been multiple deaths yet until now..and it's been what, four or five nights? Jack was shot earlier in the game too, though it was a day-kill I think. Could be multiple 1-time killers like the 1-time double voters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 So you have a scum investigation on him? Sweet. that's impossible.. i think he's just bored with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 They were two quick votes and he's probably rocked by what happenned to jif... they're on the run I found AVM scummier than CTM. Tough choice, as a numbers game it doesn't seem to work for them - unless they think their last member (s?) are really well hidden. My gut, this feels like a play. CTM on that team, he's going to do the kill instead of transparent JiF? Just don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 that's impossible.. i think he's just bored with this Helluva time to be bored. Vic, what is your opinion of your fusion brother AVM? Do you think he's scum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 1) Avm is lying and 2) I'm not the vig i think they think i am, or have narrowed it down to me and 1 other person So what's your role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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