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#26 Scott Dierking

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

Was that because they got blown out the week before?


Different circumstance. My rant is that the Jets are "emotionally unstable" from a team psyche standpoint. That means that both lows and highs affect them-kinda like my wife.

That emanates from the HC
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:42 AM

Was that because they got blown out the week before?


Well, actually, before the Jets went into Pittsburgh during the regular season and won, they managed 9pts in 2 games vs. division opponents and lost each game. Then went into a state they've never won in before and pulled off a victory. If you remember, the horrible leader that Rex is, marked their place in the Pitts locker room because he knew they'd be back again in the playoffs.

Ever think that Pittsburgh is just a good team, and a hard place to play, and even harder to win their home twice in 1 year?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:44 AM

Well, actually, before the Jets went into Pittsburgh during the regular season and won, they managed 9pts in 2 games vs. division opponents and lost each game. Then went into a state they've never won in before and pulled off a victory. If you remember, the horrible leader that Rex is, marked their place in the Pitts locker room because he knew they'd be back again in the playoffs.

Ever think that Pittsburgh is just a good team, and a hard place to play, and even harder to win their home twice in 1 year?


The Steelers kicked the living sh*t out of them in the first half. Our best player even admitted the team wasnt ready to play.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:46 AM

Well, actually, before the Jets went into Pittsburgh during the regular season and won, they managed 9pts in 2 games vs. division opponents and lost each game. Then went into a state they've never won in before and pulled off a victory. If you remember, the horrible leader that Rex is, marked their place in the Pitts locker room because he knew they'd be back again in the playoffs.

Ever think that Pittsburgh is just a good team, and a hard place to play, and even harder to win their home twice in 1 year?


The question again is, in the biggest game of the year to date, did the Jets come out flat?
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:46 AM

Actually, I don't think they came out so flat. I think they lost to a better team that matches up well with them. The Steeler defense is tough and tough to run on which put Sanchez on the hot seat - as opposed to Indy and the Pats who try to trade score for score. The D didn't look so hot early, but they got a turnover and were not helped by the O. Rex is so bad with adversity that the team stormed back in the 2nd half and actually made a game of it. I think they got beaten by a superior team, with a seasoned QB.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:47 AM

Actually, I don't think they came out so flat. I think they lost to a better team that matches up well with them. The Steeler defense is tough and tough to run on which put Sanchez on the hot seat - as opposed to Indy and the Pats who try to trade score for score. The D didn't look so hot early, but they got a turnover and were not helped by the O. Rex is so bad with adversity that the team stormed back in the 2nd half and actually made a game of it. I think they got beaten by a superior team, with a seasoned QB.


The Steelers went on a 12 minute drive to start the game. The game was dead there.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

The Steelers went on a 12 minute drive to start the game. The game was dead there.


Oh. I stand corrected. They must have been flat. The game was over before the 2nd quarter. Sometimes the other team is just better.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:50 AM

Oh. I stand corrected. They must have been flat. The game was over before the 2nd quarter. Sometimes the other team is just better.


12 minute drive to start a game with the rights to go to the Super Bowl, the team wasnt ready to play. Missed tackles, Heath Miller blocking Bryan Thomas 20 yards down the field, PI penalties...the Jets were shell shocked and never recovered.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:51 AM

The Steelers kicked the living sh*t out of them in the first half. Our best player even admitted the team wasnt ready to play.


Werent ready to play is just an excuse for getting manhandled. You really think that the team wasnt ready to play at a shot for the SB? Doubt it.

They got pushed around. It happens. Especially against a physical team like the Steelers on the road, in the playoffs, 2nd time visiting their stadium that year, after 2 spectacular defensive efforts vs. 2 of the best QB's of all time.

Plus, people forget, the Steelers came out flat vs. the Ravens the very game before the Jets. They had to make a comeback effort to win, dominated the 2nd half, and the rest is history.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:52 AM

Actually, I don't think they came out so flat. I think they lost to a better team that matches up well with them. The Steeler defense is tough and tough to run on which put Sanchez on the hot seat - as opposed to Indy and the Pats who try to trade score for score. The D didn't look so hot early, but they got a turnover and were not helped by the O. Rex is so bad with adversity that the team stormed back in the 2nd half and actually made a game of it. I think they got beaten by a superior team, with a seasoned QB.


Players said otherwise.

NEW YORK (WFAN) – Jets owner Woody Johnson doesn’t think New York’s AFC Championship game loss was “anyone’s fault.”Cornerback Darrelle Revis has a different opinion.
“On people’s body language, you can kind of see guys just relaxed,” Revis told the NFL Network on Thursday. “Guys are relaxed and didn’t know what was at stake. That’s why we came out so flat and we didn’t finish strong.”

The Jets lost the the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday night, 24-19, thanks in part to New York’s listless first half.

Revis said several leaders, including him, tried to rally the Jets at halftime.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:55 AM

The question again is, in the biggest game of the year to date, did the Jets come out flat?


And thats Rex's fault? Sorry bud, I'm not buying it. I highly doubt Rex's preparation was any different. In fact, I can distinctly remember him saying that Big Ben is one of the hardest people to prepare for in the league and they were as focused as they'd ever been.

Besides, if you're a player, playing on that stage for all the marbles...you shouldnt need motivation from anyone other than yourself. Period.

The Steelers came out extremely physical. The Jets didnt have an answer. It happens. Its not because Rex Ryan didnt have his team ready. I dont buy that. Not after what they did to Manning and Brady in back to back weeks.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:57 AM

And thats Rex's fault? Sorry bud, I'm not buying it. I highly doubt Rex's preparation was any different. In fact, I can distinctly remember him saying that Big Ben is one of the hardest people to prepare for in the league and they were as focused as they'd ever been.

Besides, if you're a player, playing on that stage for all the marbles...you shouldnt need motivation from anyone other than yourself. Period.

The Steelers came out extremely physical. The Jets didnt have an answer. It happens. Its not because Rex Ryan didnt have his team ready. I dont buy that. Not after what they did to Manning and Brady in back to back weeks.


The coach is the one who sets the tone.

If a team comes out flat in a big game, that is on the coach.

That sis what you have a coach for.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:58 AM

Werent ready to play is just an excuse for getting manhandled. You really think that the team wasnt ready to play at a shot for the SB? Doubt it.

They got pushed around. It happens. Especially against a physical team like the Steelers on the road, in the playoffs, 2nd time visiting their stadium that year, after 2 spectacular defensive efforts vs. 2 of the best QB's of all time.

Plus, people forget, the Steelers came out flat vs. the Ravens the very game before the Jets. They had to make a comeback effort to win, dominated the 2nd half, and the rest is history.


Gettting pushed around is coming out flat. Revis admitted it. Team wasn't into that game like they were the week before. Its sports....they put all their eggs in the Patriots basket and felt satisfied. Its unfortunate for the fans, but the players and Rex felt they won the SB that year.

The Sanchez fumble shouldnt have been a TD...and the offense finally got going in the second half....but still the defense just didnt have their usual swagger that game. The last drive was a kick in the nuts.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:01 AM

Gettting pushed around is coming out flat. Revis admitted it. Team wasn't into that game like they were the week before. Its sports....they put all their eggs in the Patriots basket and felt satisfied. Its unfortunate for the fans, but the players and Rex felt they won the SB that year.


They celebrated like kids on Christmas after that Patriots game and felt the hangover the next week.

Maybe Rex is a guy who can only get a team jacked up every so often. He can't have the sustained runs that it takes to win a Super Bowl. Other coaches have created upsets in playoffs, and finished the deal.

Rex does not seem to be one of those guys. He would rather be the guy participating in the party, rather than the one controlling it
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:03 AM

Flat or relaxed? If they won they would have been relaxed.

It's easy to be "into it" when you are running into a buch of finesse pansies and a little tougher in Steeltown when big bodies are roughing you up. I don't give Rex any credit for what happened in Pittsburgh, but to act like it was an unpardonable sin is moronic. The team - not a very good team according to most got farther than they were supposed to. I suppose maybe they are schizophrenic like Dierking says, but he would complain about schizophrenia when discussing Howard Hughes
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:03 AM

They celebrated like kids on Christmas after that Patriots game and felt the hangover the next week.

Maybe Rex is a guy who can only get a team jacked up every so often. He can't have the sustained runs that it takes to win a Super Bowl. Other coaches have created upsets in playoffs, and finished the deal.

Rex does not seem to be one of those guys. He would rather be the guy participating in the party, rather than the one controlling it


The Patriots game is one of my favorite memories as a fan...we all were hungover from that win. You could feel it is a fan even...like holy sh*t we still have another game next week? The Pats game was exhausting. But that's on Rex...he went about that win the entirely wrong way.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

They celebrated like kids on Christmas after that Patriots game and felt the hangover the next week.

Maybe Rex is a guy who can only get a team jacked up every so often. He can't have the sustained runs that it takes to win a Super Bowl. Other coaches have created upsets in playoffs, and finished the deal.

Rex does not seem to be one of those guys. He would rather be the guy participating in the party, rather than the one controlling it


You are so full of sh*t. He can't have deep playoff runs? He did twice. They are doing bad now. He looks like he lost the team now. In 2010 and 2009 he did more with those sh*theads than anybody else could have. I don't give a **** if he was doing blow off of Holmes ass in the lockers - they were winning and they were winning because of him.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

Flat or relaxed? If they won they would have been relaxed.

It's easy to be "into it" when you are running into a buch of finesse pansies and a little tougher in Steeltown when big bodies are roughing you up. I don't give Rex any credit for what happened in Pittsburgh, but to act like it was an unpardonable sin is moronic. The team - not a very good team according to most got farther than they were supposed to. I suppose maybe they are schizophrenic like Dierking says, but he would complain about schizophrenia when discussing Howard Hughes


This is ridiculous. Its easier to get into the Patriots game? It was the AFC title game for christs sakes. I realize these victories dont mean as much to most of the players as it does to the fans.....but the first half of the Steelers game and the no show is forever going to follow Rex.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:08 AM

Flat or relaxed? If they won they would have been relaxed.

It's easy to be "into it" when you are running into a buch of finesse pansies and a little tougher in Steeltown when big bodies are roughing you up. I don't give Rex any credit for what happened in Pittsburgh, but to act like it was an unpardonable sin is moronic. The team - not a very good team according to most got farther than they were supposed to. I suppose maybe they are schizophrenic like Dierking says, but he would complain about schizophrenia when discussing Howard Hughes


Revis said "relaxed" and "flat"

The tackling certainly resembled that. No sense of urgency from a game-calling stand-point, until it was too late.

rex and his stupid "defer until the second half" allowed the Steelers to come at the Jets. If you are going to choose to come out on defense, you better have the unit ready. They were not.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:10 AM

The coach is the one who sets the tone.

If a team comes out flat in a big game, that is on the coach.

That sis what you have a coach for.


No. Leaders on the field set the tone. Rex is on the sidelines. You want him to go out there and tackle?

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Gettting pushed around is coming out flat. Revis admitted it. Team wasn't into that game like they were the week before. Its sports....they put all their eggs in the Patriots basket and felt satisfied. Its unfortunate for the fans, but the players and Rex felt they won the SB that year.

The Sanchez fumble shouldnt have been a TD...and the offense finally got going in the second half....but still the defense just didnt have their usual swagger that game. The last drive was a kick in the nuts.


Meh, Ben was 10-19 w/ 0 tds and 2 picks. They just got pushed around in the first half at the LOS. Something they werent doing all year long. sh*t happens.

Nobody on defense stepped up. I dont blame that on Rex. I highly doubt he took that game lightly. He knew what was at stake and I dont give a **** what Revis says, so did every single player on that team. You're fool to think otherwise, especially since it was the 2nd time in a row in that situation and a 3rd time in a row for Rex.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:11 AM

No. Leaders on the field set the tone. Rex is on the sidelines. You want him to go out there and tackle?

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Meh, Ben was 10-19 w/ 0 tds and 2 picks. They just got pushed around in the first half at the LOS. Something they werent doing all year long. sh*t happens.

Nobody on defense stepped up. I dont blame that on Rex. I highly doubt he took that game lightly. He knew what was at stake and I dont give a **** what Revis says, so did every single player on that team. You're fool to think otherwise, especially since it was the 2nd time in a row in that situation.


Exactly what does Rex do as coach then? Better yet, what does he do well. Serious answers only, please.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

No. Leaders on the field set the tone. Rex is on the sidelines. You want him to go out there and tackle?

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Meh, Ben was 10-19 w/ 0 tds and 2 picks. They just got pushed around in the first half at the LOS. Something they werent doing all year long. sh*t happens.

Nobody on defense stepped up. I dont blame that on Rex. I highly doubt he took that game lightly. He knew what was at stake and I dont give a **** what Revis says, so did every single player on that team. You're fool to think otherwise, especially since it was the 2nd time in a row in that situation.


Why dont you care what Revis says? It was pretty apparent in the first quarter the team wasnt ready to play.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:16 AM

The Jets psyche is schizophrenic, just like their head coach. As a team, they seem unable to control the highs and lows of a individual games, and take time to set a balanced tone.

This stems from leadership. Leadership should be there to maintain and control team temperament and set the pace. What we get is extremes.

You are so full of sh*t. He can't have deep playoff runs? He did twice. They are doing bad now. He looks like he lost the team now. In 2010 and 2009 he did more with those sh*theads than anybody else could have. I don't give a **** if he was doing blow off of Holmes ass in the lockers - they were winning and they were winning because of him.


I'd rather not debate the past...all I'll say...the team was flat against Pittsburgh...expected Rex to learn from it...he has not...but you both hit on points that are spot on...1. Rex's leadership...IMO...Rex hasn't been the same since the whole foot fetish revelation and I wonder if that has affected him...2. Rex and the team both look lost. Rex deserves a major portion of blame here...he valued bravado over leadership...it shows in the construction/play of the team. The other is the complete dysfunction of the offensive unit...moving forward I have zero confidence he can pull us out of this tailspin...time to move on.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:18 AM

Exactly what does Rex do as coach then? Better yet, what does he do well. Serious answers only, please.


He puts them in position to win. Just like they did the 2 games before that. Those game plans were brilliant. Drew Coleman as a DE? He out smarted Manning and Brady and BB for that matter. You ignore that and thats fine because thats your thing. For some reason, you cant grasp how incredibly difficult it is to win with the type of QB play that Rex has had here with the Jets and cant give him credit for what he accomplished his first 2 seasons, again cool, you dont like him and I'm not going to change your mind. But I think your off the mark.

Rex is a good HC. I think he's a great defensive mind. I think he should be fired because of his allegiance to Mark Sanchez, which IMO, is ultimately why the Jets suck. A good QB changes everything, just look at the Colts.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:21 AM

He puts them in position to win. Just like they did the 2 games before that. Those game plans were brilliant. Drew Coleman as a DE? He out smarted Manning and Brady and BB for that matter. You ignore that and thats fine because thats your thing. For some reason, you cant grasp how incredibly difficult it is to win with the type of QB play that Rex has had here with the Jets and cant give him credit for what he accomplished his first 2 seasons, again cool, you dont like him and I'm not going to change your mind. But I think your off the mark.

Rex is a good HC. I think he's a great defensive mind. I think he should be fired because of his allegiance to Mark Sanchez, which IMO, is ultimately why the Jets suck. A good QB changes everything, just look at the Colts.


Is it too much to ask to have brilliant game plans and a team ready to go, 3 games in a row? because, that is what it takes to win a SB. Other teams do it.

If Rex is incapable, and can only string a couple in a row, he is of no use. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, as they say. Rex seems to want to celebrate moral victories.
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