BroadwayJoe12 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 According to Mike Mayock and Michael Lombardi, the former whom I think extremely highly of, he is. Both NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Michael Lombardi agreed on Path to the Draft Wednesday night that Syracuse DE Chandler Jones is the best defensive player in the 2012 draft. "I'm gonna make a statement," said Mayock. "Three years from now, I'm gonna say Chandler Jones is the best defensive player to come out of this draft." Chimed in Lombardi, "I think what Mike Mayock said is right. He is the best defensive player in the draft." Mayock recently bumped Jones to No. 9 overall in his top-100 rankings, and to No. 1 among defensive ends. Lombardi went so far as to suggest Jones could be a top-ten pick. www.rotoworld.com This is an extremely bold statement, from someone who knows his defensive players. He's usually spot on with dbacks, but his overall analysis is pretty accurate. Jones and Whitney seem to be flying up the draft board as of late and there's definitely going to be an OLB available at our slot; Coples, Ingram, Whitney, Jones etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Stay put and draft either Coples, Jones or Whitney. Thats what I want. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 A dude who I know who lives and dies with SU football is absolutely puking at the idea of the Jets drafting Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 A dude who I know who lives and dies with SU football is absolutely puking at the idea of the Jets drafting Jones. Really? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Really? Why? Workout warrior who never produced during game action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Workout warrior who never produced during game action. I have no respect for Lombardi, but if Mayock believes in the guy, count me in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Workout warrior who never produced during game action. Interesting. It wasnt eye popping production. But he's a freak. Could be this years JPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Mayock thought Robert Ayers was going to be absolutely dominant. He's good with DB's, not so sure about defensive linemen. From what I've watched of Jones, I dunno. Long arms but he looks like a straight line guy, don't know if he can move that well laterally and he didn't really produce in college or put up great physical numbers. If he had a huge combine people would be freaking because he's a workout warrior with no production, but he's not even that. These guys obviously know a lot more than I do, but aside from the long arms I don't know what the fascination is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Interesting. It wasnt eye popping production. But he's a freak. Could be this years JPP. Not true. JPP was a legit freak who was poorly coached. SportsScience did a thing on his lower body strength and basically called him superhuman. I don't know if Jones tests like that and I'd imagine that Mayock is worried about missing out on a JPP-ish prospect again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Not true. JPP was a legit freak who was poorly coached. SportsScience did a thing on his lower body strength and basically called him superhuman. I don't know if Jones tests like that and I'd imagine that Mayock is worried about missing out on a JPP-ish prospect again. Thats really putting yourself out there with that kind of statement though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Thats really putting yourself out there with that kind of statement though... He said Matt Ryan was Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I have no respect for Lombardi, but if Mayock believes in the guy, count me in I don't know who decided to let Lombardi comment on personnel matters--the guy was part of, and fired from, some historically bad teams. I like Mayock, too, but all of these draft gurus are talking out of their asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I don't know who decided to let Lombardi comment on personnel matters--the guy was part of, and fired from, some historically bad teams. It really is amazing. Anytime you need a jowly mook to make an unsubstantiated bad-faith claim that practically insults the listener with its bald-faced falsity , Mike Lombardi will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I have no respect for Lombardi, but if Mayock believes in the guy, count me in http://nyj.scout.com/2/728861.html Mayock had Gholston ranked #5 just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 He said Matt Ryan was Tom Brady. I dont recall that...but he's not? http://nyj.scout.com/2/728861.html Mayock had Gholston ranked #5 just sayin Look at how sh*tty the top end of that draft was...Jake Long, Matt Ryan and a pile of poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 It really is amazing. Anytime you need a jowly mook to make an unsubstantiated bad-faith claim that practically insults the listener with its bald-faced falsity , Mike Lombardi will be there. Didnt Lombardi pick Jemarcus Russell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Jones looks a lot like Bryan Thomas. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I don't know who decided to let Lombardi comment on personnel matters--the guy was part of, and fired from, some historically bad teams. I like Mayock, too, but all of these draft gurus are talking out of their asses. Mayock takes some fliers...No one is like Mel. He literally lives and dies the draft. But Lombardi has a Foxboro slant, and seems to have an agenda....F-him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 http://nyj.scout.com/2/728861.html Mayock had Gholston ranked #5 just sayin Lets be honest...Everyone had Gholston that high.....Literally thought Parcells was going to take him. You put yourself out there enough, you'll be wrong. Of all the guys on TV, seems to me Mayock is one of the better analysts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Lets be honest...Everyone had Gholston that high.....Literally thought Parcells was going to take him. You put yourself out there enough, you'll eventually be wrong. Of all the guys on TV, seems to me Mayock is one of the better analysts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 i dont buy Chandler Jones at any 1st round pick, let alone the Jets at 16. He doesn't flash when you watch Syracuse. There's nothing about his game that necessitates using that high of a pick. he's got injury concerns, he's got limited production. Basically what you are drafting him for is bloodlines (brother arthur on the ravens and brother Jon in the MMA) and wingspan. Pass. Big time pass. I'd personally take Coples, Ingram, Mercilus, Perry or Upshaw over Jones.And maybe Vinny curry too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I see lots of mocks having Coples fallling at least to us and past....I'd love the Jets get this guy...even moreso than Melvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I see lots of mocks having Coples fallling at least to us and past....I'd love the Jets get this guy...even moreso than Melvin people say Coples only plays when he wants to... ok well when he wants to he's completely dominant. like Johnny Abe plus 30 pounds. if Coples had the motor of Vinny Curry he'd be a top 3 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 people say Coples only plays when he wants to... ok well when he wants to he's completely dominant. like Johnny Abe plus 30 pounds. if Coples had the motor of Vinny Curry he'd be a top 3 pick. People said Peppers took off plays when he was coming out. If Coples is there, you take him and dont look back. That's what I'm hoping for at this point or Whitney or Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanBe_Tweetin Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I get a bad feeling the jets would pass on coples for ingram or pass on coples entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamont_jordan_rules Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 ... do not want ... l_j_r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 so i just went back and watched some jones clips on youtube. to see If I was being overly harsh. I don't think I was. He doesn't do a whole lot on film. I like him in rd 2 or 3 developmental prospect but i don't see the appeal in rd 1. please let this whole thing be a huge smoke bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I hope it's a smokescreen. Jones anywhere in round 1 and taking DeCastro and moving him to RT are the two scenarios that seem to be on the table that I just don't want to happen at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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