Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I feel like the defense has some say in that, merciful as the Steelers may be. I don't think the Steelers ever felt putting 30 up was a magic number in this game. The first drive of the 2nd half left any doubt to the outcome of this game, over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I have read in this thread a couple of times now how great it was that the defense gave up only 19 points, especially since the offense turned the ball over a couple of times. I readily understand the concept that turnovers CAN make it harder on a defense. I fail to see how the 2 Jet turnovers put the defense in bad shape on Sunday. They were both deep in Pittsburgh territory, and the last one was with 1:50 on the clock. The Steelers best starting field position all day was their own 36 (2nd half first drive, where they went on to score a TD). The Jets defense did not have its back against the wall at all. The Steelers scored 19 on the day, but the Steelers certainly weren't under the gun to run up the score and take chances. The Steelers left points on the field. Not sure how anyone can say that was a great defensive performance, that was hurt by offensive turnovers Let's ignore that people were only praising the D in response to Ape calling for Ryan's head based on this allegedly horrific defensive performance. Nobody thinks this defensive performance was great, but they weren hardly dominated. They gave up 19 points and 7 appeared to be directly on Cromartie blowing chunks. Revis is gone, Cromartie is hurt, and the #2 CB (Milliner) is out and #3 (Wilson) got hurt during the first half. Could these have contributed to the Steelers having a surprisingly good day passing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Let's ignore that people were only praising the D in response to Ape calling for Ryan's head based on this allegedly horrific defensive performance. Nobody thinks this defensive performance was great, but they weren hardly dominated. They gave up 19 points and 7 appeared to be directly on Cromartie blowing chunks. Revis is gone, Cromartie is hurt, and the #2 CB (Milliner) is out and #3 (Wilson) got hurt during the first half. Could these have contributed to the Steelers having a surprisingly good day passing? It would be nice if a supposed dominant defense could cause a turnover. And, if we need there to be great players at every position in order for this defense to succeed, what do we need Rex for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Let's ignore that people were only praising the D in response to Ape calling for Ryan's head based on this allegedly horrific defensive performance. Nobody thinks this defensive performance was great, but they weren hardly dominated. They gave up 19 points and 7 appeared to be directly on Cromartie blowing chunks. Revis is gone, Cromartie is hurt, and the #2 CB (Milliner) is out and #3 (Wilson) got hurt during the first half. Could these have contributed to the Steelers having a surprisingly good day passing? Revis is a buc, it's not like Cromartie has never been burned before, Milliner hasn't done crap, Wilson has been a bust since he was drafted, so I'm not sure how any of that changes the Jets into a good to great defense. That is their defense. Going forward not much is going to change in the secondary. Walls is young, Cromartie looks old and hurt, Revis is long gone, Milliner is hurt and wasn't good when he played, and Wilson has never been any good. So if a good QB beats them down, will it be the same excuse? And really this isn't a Rex issue, more like personal they've signed or picked over the years issue. And if Milliner continues to struggle or not play, he becomes another Wilson issue. And honestly, big ben completed almost 80 percent of his passes Sunday, that is just a terrible job by a defense. And while the defense had something to do with keeping them out of the end zone, there were also a dropped TD pass, bad plays, and so on that had a lot to do with the final score being 19-6 instead of 31-6. The Steelers just looked like a bad team. The Jets just had a bad game on both offense and defense. So while 19-6 looks good on paper, the reality was the jets just didn't show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Revis is a buc, it's not like Cromartie has never been burned before, Milliner hasn't done crap, Wilson has been a bust since he was drafted, so I'm not sure how any of that changes the Jets into a good to great defense. That is their defense. Going forward not much is going to change in the secondary. Walls is young, Cromartie looks old and hurt, Revis is long gone, Milliner is hurt and wasn't good when he played, and Wilson has never been any good. So if a good QB beats them down, will it be the same excuse? And really this isn't a Rex issue, more like personal they've signed or picked over the years issue. And if Milliner continues to struggle or not play, he becomes another Wilson issue. And honestly, big ben completed almost 80 percent of his passes Sunday, that is just a terrible job by a defense. And while the defense had something to do with keeping them out of the end zone, there were also a dropped TD pass, bad plays, and so on that had a lot to do with the final score being 19-6 instead of 31-6. The Steelers just looked like a bad team. The Jets just had a bad game on both offense and defense. So while 19-6 looks good on paper, the reality was the jets just didn't show up. They gave up 19 ******* points. Give me a ******* break. Find me the post that described it as dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I have read in this thread a couple of times now how great it was that the defense gave up only 19 points, especially since the offense turned the ball over a couple of times. Not sure how anyone can say that was a great defensive performance, that was hurt by offensive turnovers no one said the defense played great. What I said was that 19 points allowed is good enough to win in this league. Any threads focusing on the defense are missing the headline. the Jets weren't gonna win 6-0. that's not how this league works anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 no one said the defense played great. What I said was that 19 points allowed is good enough to win in this league. Any threads focusing on the defense are missing the headline. the Jets weren't gonna win 6-0. that's not how this league works anymore. There should be a realization, based on reality, that if thejets even threatened on offense on Sunday, the Steelers were going to be putting up more than 19 points. Don't sit back and say "the defense did its job" by only giving up 19 points. They looked bad in doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 There should be a realization, based on reality, that if thejets even threatened on offense on Sunday, the Steelers were going to be putting up more than 19 points. Don't sit back and say "the defense did its job" by only giving up 19 points. They looked bad in doing it. Let the offense threaten and then we can discuss it. Bad offenses tend to get a little tighter when they HAVE to make plays. The Steelers barely had to make any. It works both ways. Agree that the defense did not look "good" but they did not look "bad" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Let the offense threaten and then we can discuss it. Bad offenses tend to get a little tighter when they HAVE to make plays. The Steelers barely had to make any. It works both ways. Agree that the defense did not look "good" but they did not look "bad" either. We agree there. This was a mediocre at best performance. Tempered with a horrible offensive day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Let the offense threaten and then we can discuss it. Bad offenses tend to get a little tighter when they HAVE to make plays. The Steelers barely had to make any. It works both ways. Agree that the defense did not look "good" but they did not look "bad" either. This whole backlash on the defense is hysterical if you ask me. How many fans in the league would be furious with their defense for giving up 1 TD and holding a team in the teens against a team who had 2 weeks to prepare? Meanwhile, the offense failed to cross the endzone. lmfao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 This whole backlash on the defense is hysterical if you ask me. How many fans in the league would be furious with their defense for giving up 1 TD and holding a team in the teens against a team who had 2 weeks to prepare? Meanwhile, the offense failed to cross the endzone. lmfao. We KNEWt hat the offense was going to be bad. On this particular day, the defense was no better than mediocre. You know, the reason Rex is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 We KNEWt hat the offense was going to be bad. On this particular day, the defense was no better than mediocre. You know, the reason Rex is here. I didnt know the offense was going to be 6 pts bad. And that not bad, thats pathetic, like you'll never win a game type sh*t. Holding a team to 1 TD and 19pts is better than mediocre. You're going to win more than you lose in that scenario. Unless of course, you cant score a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I didnt know the offense was going to be 6 pts bad. And that not bad, thats pathetic, like you'll never win a game type sh*t. Holding a team to 1 TD and 19pts is better than mediocre. You're going to win more than you lose in that scenario. Unless of course, you cant score a TD. The fact that the Jets "only" gave up 19 points isn't reflective of the defense they played. Because the Jets offense was non-existent, the Steelers went into a shell. They ran the ball 13 of 17 plays in the 4th quarter, when they knew they weren't getting yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The fact that the Jets "only" gave up 19 points isn't reflective of the defense they played. Because the Jets offense was non-existent, the Steelers went into a shell. They ran the ball 13 of 17 plays in the 4th quarter, when they knew they weren't getting yards. Right...so again, the Jets failing to score is the problem...not giving up 1 TD on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Right...so again, the Jets failing to score is the problem...not giving up 1 TD on defense. The entire team looked bad on Sunday to me. If you want to excuse lax defense, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The entire team looked bad on Sunday to me. If you want to excuse lax defense, so be it. I'm not excusing anything...but we're bitching about giving up 1 TD, just seems a little trivial when the offense failed to cross pay dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The fact that the Jets "only" gave up 19 points isn't reflective of the defense they played. Because the Jets offense was non-existent, the Steelers went into a shell. They ran the ball 13 of 17 plays in the 4th quarter, when they knew they weren't getting yards. The Steelers were in a shell the whole first half when they were losing most of it? They only put up 9 points. Maybe if they had to open it up the Jets might get some turnovers you were bitching about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The fact that the Jets "only" gave up 19 points isn't reflective of the defense they played. Because the Jets offense was non-existent, the Steelers went into a shell. They ran the ball 13 of 17 plays in the 4th quarter, when they knew they weren't getting yards. No, 19 points simply isn't reflective of your agenda, therefore you've decreed it doesn't count. Nobody is particularly praising this defensive performance, it's just difficult to take your position too seriously when it's constantly going on about the defense regardless of what happens on the field, including the offense putting up a grand total of 6 points. You clearly don't like Rex and that's certainly your prerogative, but you're not fooling anyone into thinking you're being at all impartial. Ultimately what you're telling everyone here is we're all supposed to count more points against the defense than were scored because you want it to be so. Any points you'd like to add onto the offense's score as well while you're at it to help your argument? Maybe it actually should have been a 45-41 Steelers win. That damn defense!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Antonio Cromartie: -4.3 Cro is playing badly. Ive seen people talk about what they should do about Cro, extend him etc. Please don't make that mistake Jets. You hav e plenty of cap room, eat the salary and say goodbye. He was bad before the injury and he's terrible now. I'd rather see Kyle Wilson and Darrin Walls out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 Cro is playing badly. Ive seen people talk about what they should do about Cro, extend him etc. Please don't make that mistake Jets. You hav e plenty of cap room, eat the salary and say goodbye. He was bad before the injury and he's terrible now. I'd rather see Kyle Wilson and Darrin Walls out there. Certainly don't want to see him playing for his current contract next year, and he won't be, but Cro's hip has been hurt since camp, now the knee. His value will be way down next year. Redo his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The Steelers were in a shell the whole first half when they were losing most of it? They only put up 9 points. Maybe if they had to open it up the Jets might get some turnovers you were bitching about. My comment of "a shell" was about the 4th quarter where they ran 13 of 17 times. Pay attention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 No, 19 points simply isn't reflective of your agenda, therefore you've decreed it doesn't count. Nobody is particularly praising this defensive performance, it's just difficult to take your position too seriously when it's constantly going on about the defense regardless of what happens on the field, including the offense putting up a grand total of 6 points. You clearly don't like Rex and that's certainly your prerogative, but you're not fooling anyone into thinking you're being at all impartial. Ultimately what you're telling everyone here is we're all supposed to count more points against the defense than were scored because you want it to be so. Any points you'd like to add onto the offense's score as well while you're at it to help your argument? Maybe it actually should have been a 45-41 Steelers win. That damn defense!!! And your impartiality is a shining beacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Considering Rex's defense here was built behind one of the best man corners ever....having the guy replace him have all negatively graded game sure doesnt help. The run defense was awesome in 2008 too with Mangini. Seems kinda similar this year. The secondary cant get us off the field on 3rd downs. 1 interception all season, hardly any passes defended. It's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Considering Rex's defense here was built behind one of the best man corners ever....having the guy replace him have all negatively graded game sure doesnt help. The run defense was awesome in 2008 too with Mangini. Seems kinda similar this year. The secondary cant get us off the field on 3rd downs. 1 interception all season, hardly any passes defended. It's a problem. No doubt. And they still held their opponent to 1 TD on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 No doubt. And they still held their opponent to 1 TD on Sunday. Special teams did not give up ANY touchdowns Sunday. What a super, super job they did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I don't think the Steelers ever felt putting 30 up was a magic number in this game. The first drive of the 2nd half left any doubt to the outcome of this game, over. What is this even addressing? Who said anything about 30 being Pittsburgh's magic number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 No doubt. And they still held their opponent to 1 TD on Sunday. Sure. But the compromise with now being a bend but don't break defense is you have to force turnovers. If the defense is going to allow third and longs to be converted Into first downs...you gotta be able to jump some routes and help out an offense that isn't going to see the field as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 No doubt. And they still held their opponent to 1 TD on Sunday. Sure. But the compromise with now being a bend but don't break defense is you have to force turnovers. If the defense is going to allow third and longs to be converted Into first downs...you gotta be able to jump some routes and help out an offense that isn't going to see the field as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Sure. But the compromise with now being a bend but don't break defense is you have to force turnovers. If the defense is going to allow third and longs to be converted Into first downs...you gotta be able to jump some routes and help out an offense that isn't going to see the field as much. The Jets are not a bend but don't break defense. They were bending because they were getting inferior play from the DBs. The fact that 3 of the top 4 CBs were hurt before the half might have something to do with that, but hey, NO EXCUSES! 19 points is too ******* much and 19 points with the Jets offense equals 38 points with the Bears offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The Jets are not a bend but don't break defense. They were bending because they were getting inferior play from the DBs. The fact that 3 of the top 4 CBs were hurt before the half might have something to do with that, but hey, NO EXCUSES! 19 points is too ******* much and 19 points with the Jets offense equals 38 points with the Bears offense. We have one interception all season. Over the past 4 games as dbates pointed out, opposing offenses and QBs are methodically taking their team down the field. 75% completion? That's not good. Teams that have seen Rex's defense before are picking up the blitzes that were once considered exotic. The offense put up a bunch of points against Atlanta and the time of possession was still completely out of wack. It's the defense to start making plays. It's how his team is built anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Sure. But the compromise with now being a bend but don't break defense is you have to force turnovers. If the defense is going to allow third and longs to be converted Into first downs...you gotta be able to jump some routes and help out an offense that isn't going to see the field as much. We're actually one of the best teams in the league on 3rd down defense, it's just that we've seen more third downs than any team in the league next to buffalo. Granted the team needs to start forcing some turnovers, but let's not pretend we're allowing third down completions like the giants, falcons or vikings here (bottom three teams in terms of percentage). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 We have one interception all season. Over the past 4 games as dbates pointed out, opposing offenses and QBs are methodically taking their team down the field. 75% completion? That's not good. Teams that have seen Rex's defense before are picking up the blitzes that were once considered exotic. The offense put up a bunch of points against Atlanta and the time of possession was still completely out of wack. It's the defense to start making plays. It's how his team is built anyways. I'm not arguing effectiveness. This is NOT a bend but don't break defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'm not arguing effectiveness. This is NOT a bend but don't break defense. What kind of defense is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'm not arguing effectiveness. This is NOT a bend but don't break defense. If it were, they'd be creating takeaways. So I agree with you a bit. Its been more bend but dont break though since the earlier Ryan years. The defense has been good against traditional running plays. It needs to improve everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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