JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I'm waiting for super fan #1 JiF's response to these questions before I can comment I'm flattered. Here you go: 1) The New York Jets biggest problem is the QB position. Rex has made a career of winning despite his QB which is probably the most difficult way to win in all of Football. Just go ask the super bowl winning awesome great Head Coach Mike McCarthy how easy it is to rack up wins with out Rodgers. 2) Geno Smith is terrible. Terrible. He's not an NFL QB. Idzik is a moron going into this season with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith and proceeding to surround them with the worst skills players in the league. Nobody in the NFL wins with Geno as their QB and this offense. Nobody. 3) No. You dont extend him based on 11 games. While the coaching has been spectacular thus far you still have to see how they finish the season before extending. I think Rex is top notch and the Jets will be hard pressed to find a better replacement but you dont extend him now. The talent on this team is terrible. The one area that is exceeding is Rex's bread and butter. Find him some offense, but most importantly, a QB and the sky is the limit. He's right for this team. 4) Depends on who's there. The Jets are desperate for talent so just about anything other then DL will help significantly, assuming Idzik doesnt continue to blow the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 His three hobby horses over the past five years have been Sanchez, Holmes, Rex. JiF is a walking skidmark. Just call him a sh*tstain, it's ok. let it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Favorite part of this wise article is when one of the super smart Jets fan says that he's all for breaking the tradition of the run first Head Coach and hiring Darrell Bevell, who runs the ball more than anyone else in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If Rex does go, I want no part of Bevell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Lok at what you got with REX? A never before head coach that has shown he is not a good manager of an entire team Yeah, but he has swagger and acts like a clown. we havent seen that kind of idiocy since Kotite. Kotite circa 1996 ''we have to get back on track'' press answers ''how do you do that when you never were on track'' Kotite ''deer in head light look'' 2013<>1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Favorite part of this wise article is when one of the super smart Jets fan says that he's all for breaking the tradition of the run first Head Coach and hiring Darrell Bevell, who runs the ball more than anyone else in the game. While this is true, shouldn't you be in a parking lot somewhere getting ready to watch FSU hang 90 on UF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 While this is true, shouldn't you be in a parking lot somewhere getting ready to watch FSU hang 90 on UF? He's too busy looking at fat chick profiles on match.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I'm not certain which next head coach is the answer, but we've seen enough of Rex to know that he isn't it. Can he get you to the playoffs and have a great defense? You bet. Can he win you a championship in today's NFL? Only as a coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 While this is true, shouldn't you be in a parking lot somewhere getting ready to watch FSU hang 90 on UF? Yes, I should be...but some unfortunate family stuff came up and I couldnt go. Had to stay in Orlando after Thanksgiving with the fam. Havent missed this game in a long time, guess if there was ever a year to miss it, this is the one. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Can we demote Rex to D coordinator and hire a really smart person (like Jif) to make game/overall decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 To back up T0m, you aren't going to succeed for very long nor often if you're game plan is to hope to get a great QB falling into your lap. Further you aren't winning anything ever if you totally neglect your offense on draft day and then try to hide it's suck with "The Wildcat", the option, wishbone, full house backfields.Above all in the NFL of 2013 NOBODY is winning anything unless they can pass effectively. Fearing throwing a pass. Wreck's stock and trade, is loser Pussyball. This fallacy being perpetuated simply isn't true. Rex said he wants a vertical passing game then went out and hired a guy that passes as much as anyone as well as a heralded qb coach. Geno and the weaponz suck. MM and Lee have about a combined 30 years more experience than freakin bevell. Have patience and watch what happens as phase 2 of the Idzik plan is implemented this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 OK serious question do you want to hire a head coach that has never been one before? no its a leadership executive position. "the decider" harbaugh is perfect. HC with NFL QB experience any of those not named spurrier out there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 This fallacy being perpetuated simply isn't true. Rex said he wants a vertical passing game then went out and hired a guy that passes as much as anyone as well as a heralded qb coach. Geno and the weaponz suck. MM and Lee have about a combined 30 years more experience than freakin bevell. Have patience and watch what happens as phase 2 of the Idzik plan is implemented this off season. Correction: Rex sald he wanted to be more aggressive on offense, then hired Tony Sparano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Rex definitely shaped this roster, and all we need is a QB, RB, Linebackers, safeties, corners, O lineman(plural) receivers, and a few good coaches. Probably take 2 off seasons to get it done right, but if we have a good young team in 2 years, I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 When is this board going to realize it's all about the QB? It doesnt matter who the **** the Head Coach is when you continually roll out the worst QB in the league. When Rex is fired, the next Head Coach is going to be completely dependent on Idzik's ability to find a franchise QB. If Idzik fails, they'll fail with him. The Jets currently have a Head Coach who finds ways to win despite his QB. I'd personally like to see how good he could be with one but if Idzik thinks that No Rex = franchise QB...then sign me up. Unfortunately it doesnt and if the next HC cant win despite his QB like Rex does, then this is going to get a worse. So cool, go get the next new shiny object...Bevell, Wisenhut, Sumlin...whoever...if a QB doesnt come with them, then nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 When is this board going to realize it's all about the QB? It doesnt matter who the **** the Head Coach is when you continually roll out the worst QB in the league. When Rex is fired, the next Head Coach is going to be completely dependent on Idzik's ability to find a franchise QB. If Idzik fails, they'll fail with him. The Jets currently have a Head Coach who finds ways to win despite his QB. I'd personally like to see how good he could be with one but if Idzik thinks that No Rex = franchise QB...then sign me up. Unfortunately it doesnt and if the next HC cant win despite his QB like Rex does, then this is going to get a worse. So cool, go get the next new shiny object...Bevell, Wisenhut, Sumlin...whoever...if a QB doesnt come with them, then nothing changes. The Magic Vacuum QB Theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Rex definitely shaped this roster, and all we need is a QB, RB, Linebackers, safeties, corners, O lineman(plural) receivers, and a few good coaches. Probably take 2 off seasons to get it done right, but if we have a good young team in 2 years, I'll take it. Yes...all Rex's fault that his former GM traded picks like he'd lose them if he didnt and handed out the most ridiculous contracts in the league. And its totally his fault the new GM just had an entire offseason to find 1 good player. You're right. This is all Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If the Jets do go and get an offensive minded head coach I just hope they hire a defensive coordinator with head coaching experience. One that is good and proven. Otherwise they will just have the same problems, but in reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The Magic Vacuum QB Theory Call it whatever you want. It's all about the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yes...all Rex's fault that his former GM traded picks like he'd lose them if he didnt and handed out the most ridiculous contracts in the league. And its totally his fault the new GM just had an entire offseason to find 1 good player. You're right. This is all Rex. What are you talking about? You dont think we had a good offseason? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If the Jets do go and get an offensive minded head coach I just hope they hire a defensive coordinator with head coaching experience. One that is good and proven. Otherwise they will just have the same problems, but in reverse. Luckily for the next DC, the foundation is there on defense to build on. Its really just a revamped secondary away from being dominant. We need someone who can find a QB. If that's the GM, great, the Head Coach doesnt matter. If that's the HC, great, lets sign him, whoever that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Luckily for the next DC, the foundation is there on defense to build on. Its really just a revamped secondary away from being dominant. We need someone who can find a QB. If that's the GM, great, the Head Coach doesnt matter. If that's the HC, great, lets sign him, whoever that is. If they go and get the next Herm Edwards to run this defense it will completely suck, I dont care who is on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 What are you talking about? You dont think we had a good offseason? lol Trade your best player, get 8 picks and come away with only Sheldon Richardson. That's not a good start for a team as depleted as the Jets. Love Sheldon...but my god I hope next draft is better. Much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If they go and get the next Herm Edwards to run this defense it will completely suck, I dont care who is on it. Haha - good point. Has there ever been a scenario where a HC got demoted to a coordinator role and the team found a new HC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Trade your best player, get 8 picks and come away with only Sheldon Richardson. That's not a good start for a team as depleted as the Jets. Love Sheldon...but my god I hope next draft is better. Much better. Oh I totally agree. That was one of the worst Jets offseasons in a very, very long time. I dont know why you go out and hire Idzik to begin with. What has he ever done? Rex and Tannebaum's resumes are better and everyone wants to run them out of town. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Trade your best player, get 8 picks and come away with only Sheldon Richardson. That's not a good start for a team as depleted as the Jets. Love Sheldon...but my god I hope next draft is better. Much better. Yes. Every draft has sucked for five years. The Jets have had a unique power to scout and identify only subpar, uncoachable, irredeemable players. Nothing at all to do with their coaching. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Haha - good point. Has there ever been a scenario where a HC got demoted to a coordinator role and the team found a new HC? Not that I know of. The problem is the potential for the DC to undermine the new head coach. Then again has there ever been a case of a GM being told who his HC is going to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Serious question...anyone here want to make the case for giving Rex another young quarterback? I'm dying to hear it. If we keep Rex I want us to go out and get a veteran, starting-caliber QB. Any young QB we draft should be 2nd on the depth chart unless he plays so well in camp/preseason that he's 100 % the best choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Yes. Every draft has sucked for five years. The Jets have had a unique power to scout and identify only subpar, uncoachable, irredeemable players. Nothing at all to do with their coaching. Nothing. Who had a better first draft? Tannenbaum or Idzik? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Oh I totally agree. That was one of the worst Jets offseasons in a very, very long time. I dont know why you go out and hire Idzik to begin with. What has he ever done? Rex and Tannebaum's resumes are better and everyone wants to run them out of town. Makes no sense. I get not being able to sign FA's...but the draft was a huge swing and a miss. Terrible way to start your career. Yes. Every draft has sucked for five years. The Jets have had a unique power to scout and identify only subpar, uncoachable, irredeemable players. Nothing at all to do with their coaching. Nothing. You just keep pointing that finger at whoever fits your current agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If we keep Rex I want us to go out and get a veteran, starting-caliber QB. Any young QB we draft should be 2nd on the depth chart unless he plays so well in camp/preseason that he's 100 % the best choice. Oh, you mean, like we should have done this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I get not being able to sign FA's...but the draft was a huge swing and a miss. Terrible way to start your career. I agree. I'm not buying the cap thing though either. Bradway and Tannenbaum had similar issues and never had as bad of offseasons as this one was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Who had a better first draft? Tannenbaum or Idzik? Why were Tannenbaum's drafts so much better when Mangini was his head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 This fallacy being perpetuated simply isn't true. Rex said he wants a vertical passing game then went out and hired a guy that passes as much as anyone as well as a heralded qb coach. Geno and the weaponz suck. MM and Lee have about a combined 30 years more experience than freakin bevell. Have patience and watch what happens as phase 2 of the Idzik plan is implemented this off season. The NC is responsible for a gameplan. The gameplans for the last several weeks and also vs. Pittsburgh have been to not throw at all and hope you luck into a TD or 2. Real NFL teams throw the ball. Joe Flacco is on record calling the Wildcat an embarrassment, and he's hardly the only on, merely the only one to say it out loud. Wrecks beleives HIS DEFENSE can win games almost by itself if the offense doesn't turn the ball over. THAT IS CRAP. And it's also unfair to the defense because you're asking them to bail you out and be almsot perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Why were Tannenbaum's drafts so much better when Mangini was his head coach? Vernon Gholston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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