could jets trade for Sam Bradford & dump Ryan Fitzpatrick ? ? ?

[drdetroit]

22 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

Literally NONE of this. 

The contract would be for $7M ish this year, and a reasonable restructured amount for next year.  If the contract were to stay in place for next year tho it would sill be less than what Fitzy (a five year older, similarly injury prone, less accurate QB) is reportedly requesting.  

The only thing you said above that makes any sense is the "creating of another hole" by trading Harris.  That in itself is arguable.  Henderson/Carter/Lattimore/draft pick.  In another thread I suggested drafting Jordan Jenkins (Georgia) and having him play an interchangeable ILB/OLB role, and then signing the Edge rusher we're complaining about in the 3rd round.  But if you think about the defense we run, HOW often are we running two ILBs anyway?  It makes more sense to play a third safety/CB and/or an extra OLB than to have Harris.  And if it means signing a potential franchise QB to "get faster" on defense.  Sign me up.   

When you make an assumption(here you assume Crapford will be willing to restructure when he already has $26 million guaranteed) you make an ass out of u an me

[shawn306]

IF the Jets made a deal for Bradford I would question their sanity.

The guy has made a ton of money and has done nothing.

[drdetroit]

24 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

IF the Jets made a deal for Bradford I would question their sanity.

The guy has made a ton of money and has done nothing.

Cha Ching Bingo

 

Forget the injuries.  Bradford is wildly overrated.

 

[Greenseed4]

46 minutes ago, drdetroit said:

When you make an assumption(here you assume Crapford will be willing to restructure when he already has $26 million guaranteed) you make an ass out of u an me

I'm used to feeling like an ass.  And I'm okay with our financials guys can do the financials.  I'm better at the hypotheticals.  In this case, I think Sam would be willing to restructure for a longer contract with more money on the table, on a team where he is looked at as the future, moving forward. Do you disagree?  As it stands he's a UFA in 2018.  A simple restructure sounds incredibly reasonable to me. 

[Greenseed4]

42 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

The guy has made a ton of money and has done nothing PLAYING FOR THE RAMS, and the talent-gutted Eagles. 

 

[kelly]

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 0:42 PM, PatsFanTX said:

Jets need to do what it takes to grab Lynch.

Fitz, Bradford, Hoyer, Glennon, Geno, etc. are not the answer.

..just an fyi,.. Lynch is not the answer either    

[drdetroit]

10 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, kelly said:

..just an fyi,.. Lynch is not the answer either    

Take it easy on Tx he has his new cause célèbre now that's he finally gotten tired of posting endlessly about how we should have never signed Revis and we should have been happy just watching Kyle Wilson and Phil Adams get torched daily

[kelly]

9 hours ago, drdetroit said:

 

 

Take it easy on Tx he has his new cause célèbre now that's he finally gotten tired of posting endlessly about how we should have never signed Revis and we should have been happy just watching Kyle Wilson and Phil Adams get torched daily

ok..

 

[bassmaster2]

Cut the over paid Revis , give Mo his money because he been a good Jet ,do not like either Friz who choke in the Bills game or Bradford who always hurt . 

[drdetroit]

1 hour ago, bassmaster2 said:

Cut the over paid Revis , give Mo his money because he been a good Jet ,do not like either Friz who choke in the Bills game or Bradford who always hurt . 

It will be so much fun watching the 2014 Jets secondary again.

[Villain The Foe]

On 4/23/2016 at 8:42 PM, PatsFanTX said:

I would never do that.

Lynch has all the physical skills to excel in the NFL.

Unless he is dumber than a door nail, he should have a very solid NFL career.

I never understand this point of view. We're talking about the "best on earth". All of these guys "have the physical tools", its what you do with those tools that make the difference. Looking at Paxton at his pro day you can obviously see that he has the physical tools. However looking at his games its like "wtf is he doing with his physical tools"? 

Generally, all of these guys have the physical tools at this level. Its way beyond that. And he doesnt even have to be dumber than a door nail not to be successful, he could simply just not be as good as his peers....which is what it looks like when I watch him. He has his moments on tape, but when I think about NFL football....dude does not look ready for that, at all. 

[joewilly12]

The Eagles reportedly have been informed by quarterback Sam Bradford that he wants out, and he won't report for work until he is traded. 

[kelly]

clayton re bradford..

>     http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15356848

[CrazyCarl40]

14 hours ago, bassmaster2 said:

Cut the over paid Revis , give Mo his money because he been a good Jet ,do not like either Friz who choke in the Bills game or Bradford who always hurt . 

Cutting Revis creates 25 million of dead money and still costs 8 million against the cap, with no savings. Other than that, good plan! (note: sarcasm)

[JoJoTownsell1]

I'm no fan of Bradford, but he is still an upgrade over Fitz. If Fitz wants 14 mill a year and the cap hit for bradford is going to be less, than why not? The injuries are a concern, but hopefully guys like Petty or a rookie would use that time to showcase their skills. 

Bradford last year passed for 3,700  yards, 65pct completion with 86.4 passer rating in 14 games. He did that with Jordan Matthews/Nelson Agholor/Celek and a washed up Demarco Murray. 

Fitz had Decker/Marshall/Ivory and put up 3900  yards, 59.6 comp pct with a 88 QB rating in 16 games.

 

Even if Bradford gets knocked out for the season, it could potentially enable us to draft a QB at the top of the draft next year. There is no reason to cave into the demands of one journeyman when you can go out and get another journeyman for cheaper.

[kelly]

At one level, Eagles quarterback Sam Bradfordgoing public (through his agent) with a desire to be traded could make it harder to force a deal, since it reduces Philly’s leverage by making the whole thing a mess. At a deeper level, perhaps Bradford’s agent has decided that taking a public stand is the best way to soften things up for a trade.

Case in point: The Eagles apparently have opened negotiations by taking a hard line.Mike Klis of 9News.com reports, citing a “prominent NFL source” (I won’t speculate on who that may be, but I can’t stop the audience from doing it) that the Broncos reached out to the Eagles about a trade for Bradford, and that the asking price was too high.It’s important to note that the Eagles didn’t laugh and hang up the phone. They articulated a price. It was just too much.

So what’s the best way to force the price down? Back Philly into a corner by taking the fight public, perhaps.The high road sometimes doesn’t get to the preferred destination. Eventually, the low road becomes the only option. That’s quite possibly why Condon has decided to tell the world that Bradford wants out — and it’s quite possibly why Bradford is now committed to staying away from voluntary workouts.

The question becomes whether the Eagles will stay on the high road, or whether they’ll resort to the low road, too. It may not be the smoothest way to head into the 2016 season, but it may be the best way to remind everyone in the locker room that the days of getting a one-way ticket out of town by not “buying in” are over.

>     http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/25/report-broncos-called-about-sam-bradford-but-price-was-too-high/

[Big Blocker]

45 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I'm no fan of Bradford, but he is still an upgrade over Fitz. If Fitz wants 14 mill a year and the cap hit for bradford is going to be less, than why not? The injuries are a concern, but hopefully guys like Petty or a rookie would use that time to showcase their skills. 

Bradford last year passed for 3,700  yards, 65pct completion with 86.4 passer rating in 14 games. He did that with Jordan Matthews/Nelson Agholor/Celek and a washed up Demarco Murray. 

Fitz had Decker/Marshall/Ivory and put up 3900  yards, 59.6 comp pct with a 88 QB rating in 16 games.

 

Even if Bradford gets knocked out for the season, it could potentially enable us to draft a QB at the top of the draft next year. There is no reason to cave into the demands of one journeyman when you can go out and get another journeyman for cheaper.

I basically agree here although I would not call Bradford a journeyman.  He still has significant upside, and with the Jets O could be a top ten Qb by the numbers.

[Irish Jet]

1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I'm no fan of Bradford, but he is still an upgrade over Fitz. If Fitz wants 14 mill a year and the cap hit for bradford is going to be less, than why not? The injuries are a concern, but hopefully guys like Petty or a rookie would use that time to showcase their skills. 

Bradford last year passed for 3,700  yards, 65pct completion with 86.4 passer rating in 14 games. He did that with Jordan Matthews/Nelson Agholor/Celek and a washed up Demarco Murray. 

Fitz had Decker/Marshall/Ivory and put up 3900  yards, 59.6 comp pct with a 88 QB rating in 16 games.

 

Even if Bradford gets knocked out for the season, it could potentially enable us to draft a QB at the top of the draft next year. There is no reason to cave into the demands of one journeyman when you can go out and get another journeyman for cheaper.

He will not be cheaper.

Bradford is going to cost a high draft pick. A third rounder would be where I'd draw the line but by the sound of how they dealt with Denver that wont be enough. They're not eating $11m of a hit just to get a low round pick, not without looking like total amateurs who essentially fleeced themselves.

[kelly]

Now that we know Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Sam Bradford has demanded a trade and won’t report for the team’s offseason activities, there’s a decent chance he will be traded at some point during this week’s draft.Bradford’s reported request comes on the heels of Philadelphia moving up to the No. 2 overall pick in the 2016 draft — a move that will lead it to taking a quarterback in that slot.With Bradford now clearly on the trade block, there is another starter-caliber quarterback for those in need of an upgrade.

Here’s a look at the four most likely destinations for the former top pick.

~ ~ New York Jets

Would the Jets be willing to give Bradford the money they don’t seem to want to give to Ryan Fitzpatrick? On the surface, that seems a bit ridiculous.What we do know is that Bradford could be considered more of a long-term option than the 33-year-old Fitzpatrick. His upside as a potential franchise guy is also much higher than Fitzpatrick’s.

Just $3.3 million under the cap, New York would have to do something in order to be able to land Bradford. That could come in the form of sending defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson to the Eagles in a deal that would send Bradford and picks to the Jets. Again, this is pure conjecture.Linked to Paxton Lynch with the 20th pick, do the Jets want to sit back and see if the Memphis quarterback falls to them? Will they look to trade up into the top 10 to select the signal caller? These questions will definitely be posed in the team’s war room during the draft. Bradford would be a cheaper option from an asset standpoint.

rest of above article : 

>     http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/4_potential_landing_spots_for_sam_bradford/s1_12680_20772067

[kelly]

The Sam Bradford situation was not handled well, by the Philadelphia Eagles or by Bradford’s camp.

That much is obvious as Bradford skips voluntary workouts a week after the Eagles traded up in the draft with their eye on a quarterback.But there are reasons for all of this, and each side would do well to keep that in mind when evaluating the other.

The reality: Bradford chose to sign a new contract with the Eagles before he reached free agency. It seems incumbent upon the Eagles to give Bradford a clear picture of what he was signing up for.Let’s be clear here. The NFL is a business and sometimes a pretty cold one. But teams have a tendency to treat their quarterbacks differently from players at other positions. Think of the way guys like Tom Brady and Tony Romo have restructured their contracts to give their teams more flexibility when it comes to the salary cap.

The team and its quarterback are in a partnership as much as the quarterback is an employee of the team. It is a unique relationship in all of sports. The only thing close is the relationship between an elite NBA player – LeBron James, Steph Curry – and his team.Given all that, the Eagles owed Bradford a little insight into what they were planning before he committed to a new contract. But there is a catch here.

The deeper story: In early March, when the Eagles negotiated Bradford’s new deal, they held the No. 13 pick in the first round of the NFL draft. They were hoping to take a quarterback, and trying to figure out a way to move up in the draft to do it.But they simply didn’t know for sure if they would be able to do that. If Howie Roseman could have told Bradford and his agent that he planned to draft Carson Wentz with the No. 2 pick in the draft, he probably would have. For that matter, if Roseman had known for sure he would be able to get Wentz, he might have handled the Bradford situation differently.

This is an important point.

The Eagles did not know they could get Wentz when they had to make decisions on Bradford and Chase Daniel. The trades that led them to the No. 2 pick had not been worked out yet.Roseman moved up to No. 8 with one trade. That happened the week Bradford signed. At that point, Roseman had to plan as if he had the eighth pick. He continued trying to work out the trade with Cleveland that was finally completed last week.When that trade was finalized, Roseman did his best to maintain the public posture that the original plan was still in effect. He opened his press conference to announce the trade by announcing that Bradford remained the Eagles’ starting quarterback.But the reality was that everything had changed. Once the Eagles’ ability to draft Wentz went from an idea to a concrete reality, Bradford went from a franchise quarterback to a placeholder QB. And that is where the breakdown started.

Tom Condon, Bradford’s agent, said on SiriusXM Radio that Bradford has signed in the belief that he would have a chance to earn the starting QB job. He did not foresee being a temporary fill-in until Wentz could be trained.That is a very real distinction for Bradford. He is 28. He was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 draft. His career has been hampered by instability in St. Louis and by two torn ACLs.If he is the Eagles’ QB, he has the chance to be Drew Brees or Carson Palmer, an elite quarterback who didn’t hit his peak until changing teams.

If Bradford becomes the placeholder QB for Wentz, the picture is different. He is more likely to become Mark Sanchez or Brian Hoyer, one of those unmoored QBs who drift around the league, waiting for someone to get injured for a chance to play.That is why Roseman went on television Monday and said that the Eagles still “support” Bradford. The aim is to convince Bradford that he is still has the status of a franchise quarterback, that the team considers him a partner.But actions speak more clearly than words, in this case. The Eagles’ commitment will eventually shift to Wentz. That is the course of action they began taking with last week’s trade.

Bradford may not be entirely right in his reaction. He signed his contract and he has an obligation to his employer. But his reaction is more understandable if you look at the whole picture. The Eagles would be smart to do just that.

>      http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/202624/sam-bradford-situation-not-handled-well-for-a-reason

[Jack The Meatloaf]

Guys Whats Up?? First Time Long Time

Quick statement and question and I'll hang up and listen.

What's the point in signing Bradford? The guy is made out of glass and will more than likely be hurt come mid season.  If we're gonna sign Bradford and not sign Fitz we might as well just play Geno cause he'll end up playing anyway if Bradford is signed to start.  First priority is clearly Fitz and if we MUST sign a qb other than the bearded wonder I'd take a look at Foles.  Thanks for the call guys big fan

[kelly]

Is Sam Bradford the Quarterback the Jets Have Been Looking For ?

With $11 million in bonus money already paid by the Eagles, Bradford would cost the Jets only his base 2016 salary of $7 million—the low end of the range they reportedly offered Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

The Jets have failed for years in their quest to land a “quarterback of the future.” It’s unlikely to happen this year either—the Jets own the 20th pick in Thursday’s NFL Draft—but maybe they can have more success with another one-year plan at the quarterback position.

With only $3.3 million in salary-cap room, according to OverTheCap.com, general manager Mike Maccagnan is hard pressed to give last year’s starter and current free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick the money Fitzpatrick desires. The main reason Fitzpatrick wants more than the Jets are willing to pay is that another quarterback with whom he compares very nicely, the Eagles’ Sam Bradford, was set to make $18 million this year (including his signing bonus).But now, in the wake of Philadelphia’s trade for the No. 2 pick in the draft last week, presumably to select a top quarterback, Bradford is reportedly unhappy and may even want out of Philadelphia.

With $11 million in signing bonus money already paid by the Eagles, Bradford, who signed a two-year, $36 million deal in March, would cost the team that acquires him only his base 2016 salary of $7 million—the low end of the range the Jets reportedly offered Fitzpatrick.

Long story short : The Jets couldn’t sign Fitzpatrick for what they thought he was worth because of Bradford’s contract, but now, bizarrely, they  could conceivably trade for Bradford and pay him exactly that amount. This is all because the Eagles can’t seem to follow any plan at the position, first signing Bradford for the market rate for a starting quarterback and then signing a backup, Chase Daniel (77 career pass attempts) for $21 million before ultimately trading up to the No. 2 spot and announcing they intended to draft a QB.

The Eagles say that Bradford is still their starting quarterback despite sending every signal that they want him starting for as short a time as possible. He’s been about Fitzpatrick’s statistical equal throughout his five-year NFL career. He’s also about five years younger, though with a much thicker medical file (two reconstructive left knee surgeries since 2013). But if the Jets like what Fitzpatrick gave them and don’t want to turn the team back over to Geno Smith or a first-year starter, Bradford seems capable of filling the hole—for a year.

> http://www.wsj.com/articles/is-sam-bradford-the-quarterback-the-jets-have-been-looking-for-1461627057

 

[kelly]

Let’s run through a few Sam Bradford stats: A 63-63 record in his six NFL seasons. In only two of those did he play all 16 games. In one of those seasons he didn’t play any games. He’s never finished a season with more wins than losses. He’s yet to make an appearance in the playoffs.

In all Sam Bradford is a decent, injury-prone quarterback who, through a combination of good timing (he signed a $76 million contract the year before  the rookie salary cap was introduced) and good luck (his price has been driven up by the dearth of good quarterbacks around him) is piecing together a lucrative NFL career. In the right situation he could perhaps make the next step and thrive as a late-bloomer.

 

Philadelphia is the right situation for Bradford, though he doesn’t seem to think so. On Monday, rumors circulated that Bradford was demanding the Eagles trade him away after his organization traded away five picks to jump up to the second overall spot, presumably so they can draft a quarterback.

In all Sam Bradford is a decent, injury-prone quarterback who, through a combination of good timing (he signed a $76 million contract the year before  the rookie salary cap was introduced) and good luck (his price has been driven up by the dearth of good quarterbacks around him) is piecing together a lucrative NFL career. In the right situation he could perhaps make the next step and thrive as a late-bloomer.Philadelphia is the right situation for Bradford, though he doesn’t seem to think so. On Monday, rumors circulated that Bradford was demanding the Eagles trade him away after his organization traded away five picks to jump up to the second overall spot, presumably so they can draft a quarterback.

From an Eagles perspective, this isn’t as crazy as some would have you believe. Yes, there’s an inherent risk (especially because the quarterback class this year looks rather underwhelming), but with Bradford already on the books and signed-on for the next two years, it’s a calculated one.

Philly are going to draft Carson Wentz and spend the next year-and-a-half coaching him up. If they like what they see, they’ll bid Sam Bradford adieu and phase-in Wentz. If Bradford blossoms into an elite-level quarterback, Wentz becomes a valuable trade asset. If they both bomb-out, Philly cut ties and start again.

On no planet is this not a fair deal for Sam Bradford.

If these reports are to be believed, it’s breathtakingly delusional for Bradford to think he deserves to be the unquestioned franchise quarterback — his middling play aside, his penchant for injuries rules that out of the equation.

What Bradford has in Philly is a fantastic opportunity, and he’s getting paid a fortune for the pleasure. He has two years to prove he is what he thinks he is, and if it doesn’t work out, both parties can move on amicably, a fair deal having concluded.

In asking for a trade, Bradford feels entitled to something he hasn’t earned and, at his level, doesn’t really exist. If he thinks he’s a franchise quarterback, he needs to grow up, come back to reality and prove it.

>       http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/sam-bradford-trade-philadelphia-eagles-carson-wentz

[kelly]

Sam Bradford does not want to re-join Chip Kelly, Jets don't want Bradford

 

the trade market for Sam Bradford appears to be down to, well, not many teams. NFL Network reporter Jeff Darlington said on the radio that the New York Jets are not interested in Bradford, and Bradford is not interested in a reunion with Chip Kelly. This follows a Monday evening report that said the Broncos had inquired about Bradford, but felt the Eagles asking price was too high.And so, much like with Colin Kaepernick's trade request, Sam Bradford is not going anywhere for the time being. The differences between these two requests is two-fold: 1) Bradford has already been paid $11 million and the Eagles would have to eat that deadmoney, while 2) the Broncos want either Kaepernick to take a pay cut for 2016, or the 49ers to pay some portion of his salary. Both situations are nice and awkward.

Just for the heck of it, I've dropped in a poll below. I don't actually think Colin Kaepernick and Sam Bradford will be traded for each other, but I might as well include it as an option.

>     http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/4/26/11513514/sam-bradford-does-not-want-to-re-join-chip-kelly-jets-dont-want

[kelly]

Round 1 takeaways: Kaepernick, Bradford could be stuck

 

Laremy Tunsil's bizarre night was the story of the NFL draft Thursday night, but it wasn't the only takeaway from Round 1.

(The headline above should have told you that!)

We're going to run through the rest of them below, now that I've already posted some thoughts on Tunsil and his unfortunate social-media mayhem. (In short: I don't think it was the primary reason he fell to the Miami Dolphins at No. 13 overall.)

On with it ...

1. Resolution at hand for three veteran quarterbacks

Colin Kaepernick is seeking a trade from the San Francisco 49ers, but he lost his most obvious landing spot Thursday night. So did Sam Bradford, who wants to get away from the Philadelphia Eagles, and Ryan Fitzpatrick, a free agent who is trying to get the New York Jets to raise their offer.

Alas, the trio's primary leverage moved aggressively to draft a quarterback. TheDenver Broncos traded up five spots to No. 26, grabbing Memphis' Paxton Lynch. The move left the Broncos with both a quarterback of the future and a bridge veteran in Mark Sanchez, eliminating the need for acquiring Kaepernick or Bradford.

If the Broncos wanted Fitzpatrick, they would have signed him already. It appears he'll need to take the Jets' offer if he wants to play in 2016. Kaepernick's best bet is to compete for the 49ers' job, or wait to be released, while Bradford might have to endure a season with rookie Carson Wentzlooking over his shoulder.

rest of above article : 

>     http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/202884/resolution-for-colin-kaepernick-sam-bradford-among-takeaways-from-first-round-nfl-draft