Luke Cage: the mafia game

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11 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

It's been addressed, yeah. Basically the misfire scene that you quoted referred to a "he". Which is prolly why Zander inferred it wasn't me. But Lee later clarified that the scene was in reference to character, if I recall. 

This is correct and another good sign imo from Nyn that shes paying attention to whats going on.

11 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Bullet proof townie shot dead? 

Ive explained what I think what it could be. LMK what you think please.

11 hours ago, Lizard King said:

What a waste of a shot

Is this a joke?

[Jetscode1]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

So does a normally cerebral player having bloodlust.  I think you just revealed your "true colors".

Blood provides intel...didn't see you make an argument against any of the entrenched powers on his train...just the 80 shuffle...playing the margins.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Jetscode1 said:

Blood provides intel...didn't see you make an argument against any of the entrenched powers on his train...just the 80 shuffle...playing the margins.

That's because Lizzie is an easy person to rack up votes, as I've maintained all game long.  I don't think there's much to glean from the people currently on his train.  Your vote on him and the reason for doing so was disgusting. 

[Jetscode1]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

That's because Lizzie is an easy person to rack up votes, as I've maintained all game long.  I don't think there's much to glean from the people currently on his train.  Your vote on him and the reason for doing so was disgusting. 

whatevs..you're avoiding the heavy lifting...you make zero sense.

[Lizard King]

Just now, Jetscode1 said:

whatevs..you're avoiding the heavy lifting...you make zero sense.

Yeah... dropping a L1 vote after barely participating is heavy lifting in your part. Hope you're wearing your back brace. 

[Jetscode1]

Just now, Lizard King said:

Yeah... dropping a L1 vote after barely participating is heavy lifting in your part. Hope you're wearing your back brace. 

Was your case against Nyn or Zander winning converts?

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11 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

Lee promised a gift to whoever did a VC. Zander did the VC. He openly declared getting a day vig. And even went as far as explaining the "conditions" of it. ie the whole percentage part irt the odds of hitting his target. I don't see how he could have planned this cover seeing as the moddess herself offered a reward openly and kind of out of the blue. Plus I don't see why you need "cover" for a day vig when you can just shoot whoever and no one would be the wiser. So I do believe that Zander earned this shot via the VC. What remains unclear is why it misfired and why Nolder would openly admit that it hit him and then dash off. He hasn't really come back since. So it's hard to make much of it. 

Ive addressed this, if you have questions feel free to ask!!!!

11 hours ago, The Crusher said:

No idea who shot who. Has Luke Cage as his number one scum. This ficking guy. 

Pretty sure this was not Zander's shot. That was awhile ago. 

I only shot the first time at Dice that apparently hit Nolder.

17 hours ago, Leelou said:

Vote Count 

Lizzie (5) - Smash, Crusher, Nyn, Zander, dice
Nolder (1) - 80
Pac (1) - Nol
Nyn (1) - Lizzie
Ballin (1) - JC
JC (1) - JiF
Zander (1) - Pac

Not Voting (1) - Ballin

with 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch 

DEADLINE: Friday 11 am EST

 

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

unvote vote Pac

 

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Pac was pushing Nolder's lynch first and foremost.  Good place to go back to for now. 

ummmm......dude you were voting Nolder before you switched to Pac.

 

Explain?!!?!?!?!?!?!

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11 hours ago, Lizard King said:

You think he would call Nolder scum and then proceed to shoot him? That seems too obvious imo.

 

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Killing off what ended up being a Bulletproof townie?  Hell yeah a scum player would sacrifice themselves to do that any day of the week.

Not even saying this is the case here but its also something he could do to make people think its too obv to be him and try to clear himself from it.

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11 hours ago, Lizard King said:

How would anyone have known that Nolder was bulletproof though?

Because he knew he was shot.  He said it after I made the shot attempt on Dice.

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11 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

Wasn't he voting for Zander?

Wasnt 80 voting Nolder then after he did he voted Pac for voting Nolder???

11 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

What makes you think scum made that shot?

Its not guaranteed but its my most likely guess atp.  It was known he had a vest so i think its most probable Scum would assume he could be an SK.

11 hours ago, Lizard King said:

unvote, vote 80

busted logic and I don't like him misdirecting traffic at Pac right after the Nolder shot.

See first comment

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11 hours ago, Lizard King said:

Also since this is a non-claim game, Pac is now at L2 with no ability to prove himself. Awfully convenient.

I know Im voting him currently, and Ill see whats what when I get caught up but usually not  great sign if theres no viable counter wagon tho.

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11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

See above, Lizzie.  Pac has one vote on him.  Me. 

Dude you were the one ******* voting Nolder not Pac

Pac voting me.

And youre pushing/voting Pac for pushing Nolder while he was actually voting me, while your pushing/voting Pac for voting Nolder, who you were voting at the time when Pac wasnt actually voting Nolder.

Like am I missing something!?!?!?!?!!??

 

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12 hours ago, Lizard King said:

You're misrepresenting what I said. You had a single train of thought that Pac's commentary on the Nolder situation did show his level of interest. Technically you were not wrong that it made Pac an interesting candidate. However you didn't explore the recent shot from any other angles. You jumped on Pac minutes after Nolder was shot. Your logic on adding Pac to a scum list is valid, but not exploring other obvious scenarios is scummy.

Like Scum!80 was sooooo clean last game!!!!

You think its more likely its his Town Meta here????

Or you think he's going for like too scummy to be scummy???

(i was afraid to use the actually acronym because it had the words the cannot be mentioned in it)

lololololol

[Pac]

JC's vote was disgusting.

I don't see the case on Lizzie.

I'm shocked everyone is absolving Zander.  If I'm right about him I will horse whip the lot of you.

Zander, 80, and someone not participating (ballin, smash) are fine kills.

I'd also vote Nyn as she's acting like she's got a guilty on Liz and an innocent on Zander.  Seems to have no doubt about either. 

[Jetscode1]

4 minutes ago, OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! said:

Like Scum!80 was sooooo clean last game!!!!

You think its more likely its his Town Meta here????

Or you think he's going for like too scummy to be scummy???

(i was afraid to use the actually acronym because it had the words the cannot be mentioned in it)

lololololol

you caught up?  yet?

[The Crusher]

Unvote

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12 hours ago, Lizard King said:

My attention to detail and your attention to detail seem to be pretty much at the same level. Assuming you didn't edit in the SK line, you still left it wide open on not questioning having another vig, plus assuming that scum had special seeing powers to know Nolder was bulletproof (is that even a role? + Nyn disqualified it with her Wiki) - essentially you made a weak 2nd option in a SK and then built up a vote on PAC a foundation of absolute crap.

Why would you assume he edited the post?!?!?!

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11 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

I think, from a scum POV (or even SK), it would have made more sense to wait for Nolder to resurface to possibly disclose more information, or even maybe just bury himself. Or to see if he was not gonna show up at all, as in it would be doable to push a lynch there if he was absent, since he was getting attention. Why waste a shot on someone with lynch equity with 24 hours to go to the phase? Scum would benefit from Nolder dying, whether SK or town, but why shoot when you can maybe lynch? The only thing I could think of is maybe to try to draw attention away from the current train. ie a distraction. OR if Lizzie is day vig scum... might as well use it now just in case, if/when he gets lynched (since he's at L-2).

But, I could see a world where this was a town vig who thought there was a good chance that Nolder was SK or Scum, as those roles are normally the ones who get a BPV, and there didn't seem to be a better explanation over why Zander's shot didn't go through coupled with Nolder knowing that he got shot at. He wasn't showing up to explain himself. So yeah, I could see a scenario where a town vig would get impatient and nix him with a high confidence of hitting an antitown role. And I don't see how the existence of a bulletproof townie makes it less likely that there would be a town vig. First of all, we don't know what scum are packing. And secondly, town vigs are usually not considered a huge leverage for town, as probability wise they're more likely to hit town the scum, just from sheer numbers.

 

Never thought of it this way.

Love the in depth analysis and thought process here from Nyn!!!!!!

 

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11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I didn't intend what I said to mean that scum KNEW there was a bulletproof townie.  I'm suggesting they DID likely know more than we do about what town might be packing.  Based on Nyn's wikipedia research, this is an extremely rare and powerful role.  I'd hazard a guess to say Scum (or SK) is also packing some strong abilities to maintain balance. 

Why would it be more likely to be a BP Townie as opposed to an SK?

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11 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

Not a fan of him assuming right off the bat that this was a scum shot. Also don't agree with him saying this couldn't be a town vig shot. Reasoning blows.

I need to read back your recent interaction though cause I think I missed some of it when I was typing up my post.

Well fwiw I thought Scum most likely at first as well.

What is you current read on me and does this fact effect one way or the other and if so which way and why please?

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh man....just realized how fun it's going to be when Zander catches up to everything.  That's gonna be a fun read.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

lolololololololol

11 hours ago, Lizard King said:

@Zander open a Google Doc, compile all your thoughts there, and then make a single LUCID post when you're fully caught up  kthx!

Survey says.....No

[The Crusher]

7 minutes ago, OH NO.....ITS ZANDER!!!!!! said:

Why would it be more likely to be a BP Townie as opposed to an SK?

It's gibberish because anyone watch the show know Luke Cage is bullet proof and they know he is town. Leelou would have to be main lining her glorious green hair dye to not include those details in the game. Simply asinine. 

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11 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Why would a town vig have the ability to kill Nick Cage? That really makes no sense. Sometimes people say scum when they actually mean third power other than town. 

Nick Cage lolololololol

11 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

Yeah... that's not gonna happen. He has been asked so many times and he has ignored each and every request lol

Truth

11 hours ago, The Crusher said:

I'm a Nick Cage expert baby and I'm here for you. Naming my next dog Nick Cage. 

lolololololol

11 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Only when you rub peanut butter on your..... oh wait, um, err, ehh, shut the **** up Lizzie that's gross 

lolololololol

[Lizard King]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vzUh_55x2M&sns=em

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11 hours ago, deckerfan said:

Vote Count 

Lizzie (5) - Smash, Crusher, Nyn, Zander, dice

Ballin (1) - JC

JC (1) - JiF

Zander (1) - Pac

Pac (1) - 80

80 (1) - Lizzie

Not Voting (1) - Ballin

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch 

DEADLINE: Friday 11 am EST

This is not a good lead up into D1 like 12 hours away

 

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11 hours ago, Pac said:

What?  It was  FREE SHOT for posting a vote count...  If I was scum and given a free shot I would spend 3 hours building up to it before blasting away.  

it was a free shot.

i had to ask leelou if it had to be used at night or not.

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10 hours ago, Pac said:

Dude what???

Think...  he was given a free shot on thread to use.  We all saw he was getting get something.  That's an absolutely PERFECT scenario for scum/sk to cavalierly use the shot.  If he "quietly shot" he would be called out for it in a millisecond.  

The question is would town Zander just wildly shoot into the crowd for lulz the very first game day after having lost the last game for town?  That doesn't compute.

She said item itt not shot, i could have claimed it was anything.

And just because I fell guilty about what happened last game dont mean Im gonna change my game man especially when I had the chance to shoot Dice when he have a running joke with it.

 

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10 hours ago, JiF said:

Then why did you vote him? 

I dont recall if he vote him after Nol mentioned it or not.

 

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10 hours ago, Pac said:

go back and read...  I voted Nolder...  caught up..  unvoted Nolder without saying he basically just cleared himself.

not rocket science.

Ill try to look back when I get the chance but if true this makes sense.

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9 hours ago, Lizard King said:

I could more agree with 80s thesis that PAC put himself into a Nolder fray, was going after Nolder as low hanging fruit and then Nolder confirmed losing his vest from the Zander shot. Perfect time for PAC to dial up a plan to shoot him and then return here to wifom it at someone else. He's basically telling us he did it in front of our own eyes. 

Unvote vote Pac

Im not sure about this tbqh.

Its def poss tho.

9 hours ago, Pac said:

Sure he could do it as a townie I just think it's unlikely given the fact he vomited all over the game to end the last one and he supposedly felt bad for destroying the game.

If that's true why would his first order of business as a townie be to wildly shoot into a crowd and giggle like a madman.  THAT'S the part that doesn't compute. 

Id much rather take a chance on being wrong early D1 then be wrong later in the game in some sort of crucial moment or something. 

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9 hours ago, Lizard King said:

Fuuuu that is a good point.

Unvote vote Zander

Plenty of reasons stated throughout this game...have always thought him and Nyn were baiting me

 

9 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Well actually that's a pretty good point. Last game Zander had sad because he sorta blew it as a townie. So for him to just take a shot at Dice for no reasons except for the hell of it as a townie is somewhat incongruent.

Ive addressed this so Ill see what you guys come back with.

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8 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

Guilt doesn't really change his nature. So agree to disagree. Plus I'm pretty sure he was cracking jokes about lynching dice while he was sleeping before he even got the shot. It's this shtick they have. ghey love/hate thing, I dunno lol  I never really got it. 

NynGOAT

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8 hours ago, Lizard King said:

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

lololololololololol

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

lololololololololololol

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7 hours ago, Dicetosser said:

Actually it makes perfect sense in Zanderworld. This is a guy who vigged his top Town read. He would shoot blind.

Darthe's are made for shooting imo!!!!!!!

lololololololol

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7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

LOL

lolololololol

But really can you answer DIce's question please?!!?!?

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5 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

Oh I'm sorry. Obviously I should totally have you as town... with you scrambling last minute to get momentum elsewhere.... agreeing with 80, but then contradicting it and voting 80 for signaling out pac... then voting pac, agreeing with 80, who you were previously voting.. appealing to me to unvote you, even though I'm your top scum read, but then landing on zander as scum, following pac's thoughts... who you were previously also voting lol.... yeah... super super townie. You're just throwing around sh*t and none of it is sticking.

ftr, the reason for my initial suspicion still stands. You can do all the flailing you want now.... won't change it. But keep doing you, Lizzy. Keep doing you =)

Sexy post imo.