joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 3 hours ago, Kleckineau said: I am done watching until next year. Darron Lee sucks. The people that chose to draft him suck. The whole team sucks. Looking for bright spots on this roster or CS is like shining a flashlight into a cesspool. 1 minute ago, Maxman said: Yeah. I am not ready to write him off yet but he hasn't been impressive. A bright spot on a bad team but a very questionable 1st round pick at this point and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 15 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: A bright spot on a bad team but a very questionable 1st round pick at this point and time. I don't think he is playing well enough to call him a bright spot. The Colts are average and they had their way with our defense last night up and down the field. Leonard Williams is the only bright spot I see on defense. They have bigger problems than Lee. Like Wilk is invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Maxman said: I don't think he is playing well enough to call him a bright spot. The Colts are average and they had their way with our defense last night up and down the field. Leonard Williams is the only bright spot I see on defense. They have bigger problems than Lee. Like Wilk is invisible. Wilk and Sheldon seem to have quit on Bowles or Rodgers there is a lot more to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Wilk and Sheldon seem to have quit on Bowles or Rodgers there is a lot more to this story. Trade Sheldon. Hope Wilk is better next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Diminutive Gridiron Midfielder© is diminutive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: Trade Sheldon. Hope Wilk is better next year. Tough decision you trade a proven NFL player for a "what if" 2nd 3rd round draft pick who may not even make the roster. Sheldon is a product of the environment this season my guess is he's frustrated with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 That was a really big hole. Would have been cool in Darron Lee was standing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Lee seemed to try hard on that play. Another big passing first down on someone he was covering. But nice try at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 time to transition back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 -- Darron Lee wasn't going to hide from it. Not at all. He knew he messed up, and was ready to take the blame head-on. In the first half of the Jets' 23-17 victory over the 49ers on Sunday, San Francisco running back Carlos Hyde ran for 141 yards. On just seven carries. Near every time he touched the ball, he broke some form of a long run. Why ? According to Lee, it was because of Lee. "I let my teammates down in the first half," Lee, who finished with five tackles, told NJ Advance Media. "I have to take ownership of it. It was terrible. Arguably the worst half of football I've played in my life." Harsh? Sure. Accurate? Pretty much. It was a tale of two halves on Sunday, and the first is one Lee, along with the rest of the Jets' defense, likely wants to forget. The 49ers totaled 279 yards of offense and 14 first downs. The majority of it came by simply handing the ball off to Hyde.The back averaged 20.14 yards per carry. He had runs of 47, 20, 43 and 18 yards ... in the first two quarters. The Niners marched up and down the field to build a 17-3 halftime lead. They could have scored more points had it not been for two missed field goals. The maddening part ? Lee says his mistakes came on the simplest of tasks. "It was just the basic football stuff," Lee said. "The whole learning curve. That was just not good. Not good at all. I'm not happy. I'm happy we were able to bounce back, but that's all." Bounce back is a bit of an understatement. The 49ers gained just 85 yards, three first downs, and were outscored, 17-0 in the second half. The most notable stat? Hyde ran for only 52 yards on 10 carries. Lee said fellow linebacker David Harris came up to him at halftime to "rally" him. It worked quite well."It was lights out," Lee said. "Everybody was locked in That's how it's supposed to be. Regardless of record. It's the NFL. That was a great, hard-fought team win to be able to come back from being down. "We fight. We keep fighting every single game. We finally played together when we fell behind. It was great." > http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/12/jets_darron_lee_takes_blame_for_carlos_hyde_monste.html#incart_river_index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 minute ago, kelly said: -- Darron Lee wasn't going to hide from it. Not at all. He knew he messed up, and was ready to take the blame head-on. In the first half of the Jets' 23-17 victory over the 49ers on Sunday, San Francisco running back Carlos Hyde ran for 141 yards. On just seven carries. Near every time he touched the ball, he broke some form of a long run. Why ? According to Lee, it was because of Lee. "I let my teammates down in the first half," Lee, who finished with five tackles, told NJ Advance Media. "I have to take ownership of it. It was terrible. Arguably the worst half of football I've played in my life." Harsh? Sure. Accurate? Pretty much. It was a tale of two halves on Sunday, and the first is one Lee, along with the rest of the Jets' defense, likely wants to forget. The 49ers totaled 279 yards of offense and 14 first downs. The majority of it came by simply handing the ball off to Hyde.The back averaged 20.14 yards per carry. He had runs of 47, 20, 43 and 18 yards ... in the first two quarters. The Niners marched up and down the field to build a 17-3 halftime lead. They could have scored more points had it not been for two missed field goals. The maddening part ? Lee says his mistakes came on the simplest of tasks. "It was just the basic football stuff," Lee said. "The whole learning curve. That was just not good. Not good at all. I'm not happy. I'm happy we were able to bounce back, but that's all." Bounce back is a bit of an understatement. The 49ers gained just 85 yards, three first downs, and were outscored, 17-0 in the second half. The most notable stat? Hyde ran for only 52 yards on 10 carries. Lee said fellow linebacker David Harris came up to him at halftime to "rally" him. It worked quite well."It was lights out," Lee said. "Everybody was locked in That's how it's supposed to be. Regardless of record. It's the NFL. That was a great, hard-fought team win to be able to come back from being down. "We fight. We keep fighting every single game. We finally played together when we fell behind. It was great." > http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/12/jets_darron_lee_takes_blame_for_carlos_hyde_monste.html#incart_river_index Once again, willingness to learn is the first step. A ton of Jets fans want finished products, but Darron Lee was never a finished product out of college. From the Vikings pre-draft coverage "Raw, athletic players are sometimes preferred for NFL teams when looking at who to draft. With a player like that, franchises can develop the player to be exactly what they are looking for and not worry about it conflicting with too many other methods they learned in the past. Darron Lee could be the kind of clean slate a team may value highly. The Ohio State linebacker’s performance at the Combine verified what a lot of teams saw from him on tape: a fast, agile, smart player who could do a lot of different things an any defensive scheme. He can catch fast ball carriers, cover a receiver, or even blitz the quarterback effectively" http://thevikingage.com/2016/03/16/2016-nfl-draft-profile-darron-lee-lb-ohio-state/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Once again, willingness to learn is the first step. A ton of Jets fans want finished products, but Darron Lee was never a finished product out of college. From the Vikings pre-draft coverage "Raw, athletic players are sometimes preferred for NFL teams when looking at who to draft. With a player like that, franchises can develop the player to be exactly what they are looking for and not worry about it conflicting with too many other methods they learned in the past. Darron Lee could be the kind of clean slate a team may value highly. The Ohio State linebacker’s performance at the Combine verified what a lot of teams saw from him on tape: a fast, agile, smart player who could do a lot of different things an any defensive scheme. He can catch fast ball carriers, cover a receiver, or even blitz the quarterback effectively" http://thevikingage.com/2016/03/16/2016-nfl-draft-profile-darron-lee-lb-ohio-state/ I said he needed work. He needs work. Ironically I was just hoping he needed work int he passing game. Yesterday proves he needs work all around. Hopefully he ends up being great. Right now though, he isn't. So what I said is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Just now, Maxman said: I said he needed work. He needs work. Ironically I was just hoping he needed work int he passing game. Yesterday proves he needs work all around. Hopefully he ends up being great. Right now though, he isn't. So what I said is true. I didn't mean you particularly. I meant others. And I will say that yesterday was probably his worst half as a Jet. I think he's been a better tackler than people thought he would be, though, despite the rough first half yesterday. I don't think he's great either right now. But he is a solid player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I didn't mean you particularly. I meant others. And I will say that yesterday was probably his worst half as a Jet. I think he's been a better tackler than people thought he would be, though, despite the rough first half yesterday. I don't think he's great either right now. But he is a solid player. He is a work in progress that is very athletic and hopefully can be solid soon. I do like him owning up to the bad game. We live in an excuse filled era, nice to see him own it and just try to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 52 minutes ago, Maxman said: He is a work in progress that is very athletic and hopefully can be solid soon. I do like him owning up to the bad game. We live in an excuse filled era, nice to see him own it and just try to get better. agreed !.. he's " a keeper " cheers ~ ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 -- Darron Lee gets it. He does. After talking of a playoff and Super Bowl run in August, for the Jets to now be 4-9 in December, isn't exactly what fans wanted, or expected.But he has a message for Woody Johnson's paying customers: Things are going to turn around. Just give it time. "For the fans out there that are getting a little impatient, that want immediate results," Lee told NJ Advance Media following the Jets' 23-17 victory over the 49ers Sunday. "Just ride the ship. We'll weather this storm." After finishing the 2015 season 10-6 and within tiebreakers of the postseason, high expectations were set for the Jets this year. The coaching staff was returning, along with most every player.But this season has been one disappointment after another. The offense is abysmal and on its third starting quarterback. The defense is dreadful and littered with underperforming players. The coaching staff has made questionable play calls and decisions throughout the year. It has been bad. Really bad. But Lee says it will get better. There are too many budding stars -- Robby Anderson, Quincy Enunwa, Leonard Williams -- for it not."We have the right mixture here," Lee said. "We have a lot of young guys, a lot of young talent, but also a lot of great leaders. I'm so excited to see what we have going forward." Arguably the biggest criticism of the Jets as of late has been the team's effort. A few times this season, several on the field appeared to cash it in well before the final whistle.That wasn't the case Sunday. After the 49ers built a 17-3 halftime lead, the Jets dominated in the third and fourth quarters, forced overtime, and won on a walk-off, 19-yard Bilal Powell touchdown run. Lee says the effort, desire and fight displayed by the Jets in the second half won't be an anomaly the rest of the way, but rather the norm. "I hope people saw what we're all about," Lee said. "It's what we are about. Regardless of wins and losses, this is who we are. We're fighters. We're going to fight until the end. We're not just going to quit, or lay down, for anybody." > http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/12/darron_lee_has_message_for_jets_fans_well_weather.html#incart_river_index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 Jets rookie Darron Lee learning difference between fast and 'hyper' 11:40 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer Facebook Twitter Pinterest Email print comment FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The good news about Darron Lee is that he's getting a lot of on-the-job training as an every-down linebacker for the New York Jets. He needs it. As he showed last Sunday, it takes more than blinding speed to be a quality NFL linebacker. On the San Francisco 49ers' second series -- four plays, 81 yards and a touchdown -- Lee made a mistake on each play.Missed tackle at the point of attack. Missed tackle in pass coverage. Wrong gap on a 47-yard run. Out of position on a 4-yard touchdown run. Coach Todd Bowles pulled him out of the game for a few plays, giving the rookie a chance to chill."Sometimes he gets a little bit too hyper, and when he gets hyper he blows an assignment here and there," Bowles said. "So we just had to get him out to calm him down and put him back in. He was fine after that. Early in the game, he was a little bit too hyped up. He missed a tackle or two and he got out of a gap one time." The Jets have a lot invested in Lee, whom they selected with the 20th pick in the draft. His production isn't terrible -- he's second on the team with 52 solo tackles -- but he's still learning the nuances of the position. He was thrust into a starting role when Erin Henderson was placed on the non-football injury list in October, and the former Ohio State star is making his share of mistakes. Right now, he's performing at a backup/marginal starter level. But the organization still sees potential. "He’s great; Darron is great," Bowles said. "Darron is going to be a good football player."Lee is lucky to be playing alongside David Harris, a savvy veteran who provides a good example. Harris provided a brief pep talk after Lee's nightmarish start against the 49ers. A Michigan man pumping up an Ohio State guy? Oh, the irony. "He sat next to me on the sideline and you could tell he was thinking about it," Harris said. "I told him, 'Just let it go, move on.' I wanted to settle his nerves a little bit. There was still a lot of football left in the game. You can't be slowed down by something that happens early. That's one of the biggest things for a young guy to understand."Lee's emotions got the best of him again in the fourth quarter, when Jets quarterback Bryce Petty was hit on the boundary by cornerback Jimmie Ward. The Jets' sideline screamed for a late hit, with Lee jumping in Ward's face. Bowles grabbed Lee's jersey and pulled him out of the fray, barking a few words to the rookie. "We were just trying to see whether he was out of bounds or not," Bowles said Tuesday. "It was nothing important."Bowles, who doesn't laugh too much, was laughing when he said it. Translation: He singed the kid's ears. > http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/65645/jets-rookie-darron-lee-learning-the-difference-between-fast-and-hyper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Patience, Full rebuild and development. Three concepts that are not in the Jets fans vocabulary, if this place is to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Patience, Full rebuild and development. Three concepts that are not in the Jets fans vocabulary, if this place is to be believed. Nice to see you finally talking full rebuild. A lot of your previous threads and posts would not look so bad if you came out and said full rebuild from day one but you have been defending the awful, old and lousy players on this team as well as the GM and coaches building on the fly decisions all year. After all Jet fans have been through they would indeed support a full rebuild and have some patience but the jets so far have never shown the desire to do a full rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 20 hours ago, Beerfish said: Nice to see you finally talking full rebuild. A lot of your previous threads and posts would not look so bad if you came out and said full rebuild from day one but you have been defending the awful, old and lousy players on this team as well as the GM and coaches building on the fly decisions all year. After all Jet fans have been through they would indeed support a full rebuild and have some patience but the jets so far have never shown the desire to do a full rebuild. You misconstrued what I said. I would have preferred the full rebuild but I understood why Macc went the competitive route. I think he believed that if he went the full rebuild route, that he would have been driven out of town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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