Jets - 2nd highest dead money in league

[Lil Woody]

19 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Maccagnan only says how high he's willing to go, but she does the contract structures.

But that's still "doing" them. As the general manager he sets the parameters for a deal and expects the specialists under him to follow his outline. It's still his signature on the paper. It's not like she's just entrusted to run the cap planning with no oversight.  She can't just decide what a players numbers will be year to year without lining up all of the other contracts and presenting it for approval to the GM. There may be some creative flexibility in how to structure NLTBE and LTBE incentives and roster vs signing bonuses and all that....and I'm sure she is designing the plan with the GM and all that, but it's still on him to determine worth and acceptable cap spending limits for the player..

[SickJetFan]

21 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

News flash: everyone does contracts like that. With the exception of a couple of unique players, nobody guarantees more than 2 years to anybody.

And Maccagnan doesn't even "do" the contracts; he's an overglorified scout. Jacqueline Davidson does them. Maccagnan only says how high he's willing to go, but she does the contract structures.

I see so you get to critize Mac for the bad contracts and her for the good....good plan.

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, SickJetFan said:

I see so you get to critize Mac for the bad contracts and her for the good....good plan.

Hardly. Just that she doesn't seek out the players. 

[Sperm Edwards]

8 hours ago, Lil Woody said:

But that's still "doing" them. As the general manager he sets the parameters for a deal and expects the specialists under him to follow his outline. It's still his signature on the paper. It's not like she's just entrusted to run the cap planning with no oversight.  She can't just decide what a players numbers will be year to year without lining up all of the other contracts and presenting it for approval to the GM. There may be some creative flexibility in how to structure NLTBE and LTBE incentives and roster vs signing bonuses and all that....and I'm sure she is designing the plan with the GM and all that, but it's still on him to determine worth and acceptable cap spending limits for the player..

I think you make light of her job and overstate his, since he's basically a career scout. He sets the basic amounts I'm sure (trade compensation, total amounts, amt more or less guaranteed) and she handles the rest of the negotiation. That's what the team claims her job description is (and it may be more than I'm surmising, if anything). 

Her job is to manage the team's cap after he picks the players, more or less. As far as "lining up all the other contracts..." well duh. There isn't that much to know and too many people make too big a deal of how hard It is; particularly for someone whose job it is to manage it full time.

Likewise, a ridiculously stupid amount of undue credit is given to the roughly 2 yr guarantees given to the contracts, as though this is some unusual innovation invented and singularly employed by Mike Maccagnan. Find me a team that doesn't do this (or less) with pretty much every signing. There are a select few players around the league that command more than 2 yrs gtd & no one else gets it on any team. 

[UnitedWhofans]

5 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I think you make light of her job and overstate his, since he's basically a career scout. He sets the basic amounts I'm sure (trade compensation, total amounts, amt more or less guaranteed) and she handles the rest of the negotiation. That's what the team claims her job description is (and it may be more than I'm surmising, if anything). 

Her job is to manage the team's cap after he picks the players, more or less. As far as "lining up all the other contracts..." well duh. There isn't that much to know and too many people make too big a deal of how hard It is; particularly for someone whose job it is to manage it full time.

Likewise, a ridiculously stupid amount of undue credit is given to the roughly 2 yr guarantees given to the contracts, as though this is some unusual innovation invented and singularly employed by Mike Maccagnan. Find me a team that doesn't do this (or less) with pretty much every signing. There are a select few players around the league that command more than 2 yrs gtd & no one else gets it on any team. 

I don't remember Tannenbaum doing it. I don't see Jerry Reese doing it

[Sperm Edwards]

14 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I don't remember Tannenbaum doing it. I don't see Jerry Reese doing it

That's because you don't know what you're talking about, you haven't looked anything up, haven't been following these figures all this time, and are just blindly flailing punches into the darkness hoping to land a hit.

Go look it up and show me the Giants team - or any - typically guarantees salaries into year 3, and/or doesn't exhibit significant savings by cutting the player after 2 years. It's likely the only player on their roster set up like this was Eli. And even with Eli it only appears that way because it was an extension done in September before the previous contract ended; it was a 4 year extension and there was no more guaranteed money by year 3 of the extension. Snacks: no guaranteed money in year 3; DRC: no guaranteed money in year 3; Vernon: no guaranteed money in year 3; Jenkins: no guaranteed money in year 3; the new JPP contract: no guaranteed money in year 3. Each one of these, if cut after 2 years, would represent cap savings to the team.

The only one exception Tannenbaum did, that was so God-awful in this regard, was the inexplicably-overpaid David Harris, whom Tannenbaum idiotically guaranteed 75% of his previous contract. Even the big-money extensions given to Brick/Mangold after their rookie contracts were a matter of give & take:  though the total guarantees were high, it was a mirage since the team could have gotten out of their big contracts after just one year had they so desired. Their big "fully guaranteed" bumps didn't kick in until year 2, to the point some here (at the time) accused the Jets of screwing over their own.

You are simply dead wrong, as usual.

[UnitedWhofans]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

That's because you don't know what you're talking about, you haven't looked anything up, haven't been following these figures all this time, and are just blindly flailing punches into the darkness hoping to land a hit.

Go look it up and show me the Giants team - or any - typically guarantees salaries into year 3, and/or doesn't exhibit significant savings by cutting the player after 2 years. It's likely the only player on their roster set up like this was Eli. And even with Eli it only appears that way because it was an extension done in September before the previous contract ended; it was a 4 year extension and there was no more guaranteed money by year 3 of the extension. Snacks: no guaranteed money in year 3; DRC: no guaranteed money in year 3; Vernon: no guaranteed money in year 3; Jenkins: no guaranteed money in year 3; the new JPP contract: no guaranteed money in year 3. Each one of these, if cut after 2 years, would represent cap savings to the team.

The only one exception Tannenbaum did that was so God-awful in this regard, was the inexplicably-overpaid David Harris, whom Tannenbaum idiotically guaranteed 75% of his previous contract. Even the big-money extensions given to Brick/Mangold after their rookie contracts were a matter of give & take:  though the total guarantees were high, it was a mirage since the team could have gotten out of their big contracts after just one year had they so desired. Their big "fully guaranteed" bumps didn't kick in until year 2, to the point some here (at the time) accused the Jets of screwing over their own.

You are simply dead wrong, as usual.

I stand corrected. 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I stand corrected. 

Fight me.

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

Fight me.

No. I am perfectly capable to admit that I was wrong when the facts are there. 

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, UnitedWhofans said:

No. I am perfectly capable to admit that I was wrong when the facts are there. 

Since when? 

Fight me!!!

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

Since when? 

Fight me!!!

Since always. When opposing facts are outlined 

[TuscanyTile2]

On 3/16/2017 at 7:22 PM, Maxman said:

The best time to have dead money is when you suck. Feels good cutting those players. If the Jets were good, the dead money would hold them back. That would be painful.

The other best time to have dead money is when you're in the Sam Darnold sweepstakes.  If we didn't have dead money we might be required to sign players to meet the cap floor (possibly we still have to do that btw but I would assume we'll be able to more easily meet the requirement because of the dead money).

[AFJF]

It was time to purge the roster, so they purged the roster.

They could have somewhere in the neighborhood of $70 million in cap space next season.  I couldn't care less about a bit of dead money at a time when spending makes very little sense.

[Maxman]

10 hours ago, AFJF said:

It was time to purge the roster, so they purged the roster.

They could have somewhere in the neighborhood of $70 million in cap space next season.  I couldn't care less about a bit of dead money at a time when spending makes very little sense.

Roll it over and next year you have more cap room. None of it matters until they find a QB. If Hack is the guy, 80 million in free agents next year lol.

[BRONX DUDE]

On ‎3‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 8:40 AM, Sperm Edwards said:

They aren't counting Revis. They've magically eliminated him from our balance sheet. They may have their own reasons, like what would happen if someone else coughed up $6m+ for Revis this year (due to the offset), but as things stand today sportrac is wrong. You know Revis and Fitz alone add up to $11m and they have us at $8m total.

The problem isn't the amounts per se. The problem is the amounts for players unworthy of keeping around. It's no better to throw the money at an unworthy player with no dead money (e.g. Cromartie), as that money could/would/should have gone towards paying down the future cap number(s) of other(s). 

Whether it's dead money in 2017 or idiotic spending in 2016 or 2015 on obviously unworthy FAs, neither is good. The former just appears messier at a glance. 

What's more concerning is the team would have been signing itself up for more of the same, had Hightower agreed to the Jets' offer of more than $12m/year while we're rebuilding. It shows little to nothing has been learned. 

HIGHTOWER was never coming to the Jets.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, BRONX DUDE said:

HIGHTOWER was never coming to the Jets.

We'll never know. We were the highest bidder by $2-3m/yr before we pulled it back. 

[dbatesman]

12 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

That's because you don't know what you're talking about, you haven't looked anything up, haven't been following these figures all this time, and are just blindly flailing punches into the darkness hoping to land a hit.

Go look it up and show me the Giants team - or any - typically guarantees salaries into year 3, and/or doesn't exhibit significant savings by cutting the player after 2 years. It's likely the only player on their roster set up like this was Eli. And even with Eli it only appears that way because it was an extension done in September before the previous contract ended; it was a 4 year extension and there was no more guaranteed money by year 3 of the extension. Snacks: no guaranteed money in year 3; DRC: no guaranteed money in year 3; Vernon: no guaranteed money in year 3; Jenkins: no guaranteed money in year 3; the new JPP contract: no guaranteed money in year 3. Each one of these, if cut after 2 years, would represent cap savings to the team.

The only one exception Tannenbaum did that was so God-awful in this regard, was the inexplicably-overpaid David Harris, whom Tannenbaum idiotically guaranteed 75% of his previous contract. Even the big-money extensions given to Brick/Mangold after their rookie contracts were a matter of give & take:  though the total guarantees were high, it was a mirage since the team could have gotten out of their big contracts after just one year had they so desired. Their big "fully guaranteed" bumps didn't kick in until year 2, to the point some here (at the time) accused the Jets of screwing over their own.

You are simply dead wrong, as usual.