Eli so close to winning game today

[JustInFudge]

22 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

???? I’m glad the closet Eli fans are coming out. Yes I forgot one more thing Eli did manage to do, stay healthy. His streak was impressive, which got him the yards, ect. But How can honestly say only completing 59% of your passes is hall worthy ? A career 84 qbr? The all time list is owned by all current era players do too changing of came to make it a heavily favored passing league. For example Carson Palmer has played in 33 less games than Eli and only trails him by 5k yards. Is Carson Palmer hof too?? He doesn’t have a great td/ int ratio, he has taking a hec of a lot of sacks because he is one of the least mobile qbs in history.

 

I think you have been hanging around two many giants fans Man lol 

Huh?  Eli fan? I could give 2 sh*ts about Eli Manning.  You just said he doesn't get in with stats alone and I pointed out how he's top 10 and could be top 5 when it's all said in done in yards, TD's and completions.  

That's a lot of QB's he's in front of statistically that are in the HOF.  So he's 59%, what if he was 60%?  HOF worthy now? lol

 

[roscoeword]

5 hours ago, nyjunc said:

so what? he was also incredible in the 3 road games to get to the SB and as bad as he was they scored 21 points on offense which was more than any Eli led his O's to in his 2 SBs.

the only reason their #s are close is b/c Eli has played many more games and attempted many more passes.  If all things were equal it wouldn't be close.

 

Eli has attempted 875 more passes, that's almost 2 more seasons worth yet Eli only has 9 more TDs, 53 more INTs, 485 more yds.

 

remember when Ben took over Pitt had gone 6-10 the year before and he was 13-0 as a starter his rookie year, Eli took over w/ team at 5-4 and went 1-6.

Ben won 2004 rookie of the year and was on all rookie team, Eli was not.

Ben has made an all pro team, Eli has not.

Ben made 6 legit pro bowls, Eli only 2(2 more as injury replacement)

Ben won Player of the week 15 times, Eli 4

Players vote of top 100 Ben made it every year(began in 2011) which was 7 times, Eli made it 3 times.  Eli's high was 31, Ben finished 31 or higher 5 times

Ben led a season in pass yds, Eli's highest finish was 4th

Ben has been top 10 in passer rating 9 times, Eli ONCE(7th)

Ben led once in INTs w/ 23, his only season w/ more than 16 INTs.  Eli led THREE times including 25 & 27 INT seasons and he has thrown as many as 16 INTs 7 times

Eli has won playoff games in just 2 postseasons, Ben in 6 postseasons

Eli has led his team to missing 7 of the last 9 postseasons, Ben has only missed 4 times in his career and has played in the MUCH TOUGHER division

Eli has never won a playoff game where his D allowed more than 20, Ben has done it 3 times including in a SB.

Ben has career 94 rating, Eli 83.6

YPA: Ben 7.9, Eli 7

Ben is 135-63 as a starter(again in MUCH tougher division), Eli 110-103

 

The two aren't close, Ben is light years better.  The only area Eli gets the nod in is durability.

Even more than the stats, all you have to do is watch both qb's play, and you can see Ben is much better. He extends plays so much better, he is big and hard to take down, and no less accurate a thrower and no less of a leader than Eli.

[Lupz27]

So what happens when both Darnold, and Rosen go back to school, and S Barkley also goes back to school?  Is Josh Allen your #1 overall pick?

[Jetsplayer21]

5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

So what happens when both Darnold, and Rosen go back to school, and S Barkley also goes back to school?  Is Josh Allen your #1 overall pick?

What are you willing to wager on that ludicrous theory ? Ha. Rosen and Daniel are definately coming out. Imagine if they didn’t, we are definately picking a d-lineman with the 6 or 7th pick ha

[Lupz27]

12 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

What are you willing to wager on that ludicrous theory ? Ha. Rosen and Daniel are definately coming out. Imagine if they didn’t, we are definately picking a d-lineman with the 6 or 7th pick ha

I would not be opposed to drafting a blue chip Edge Rusher, or Blue Chip OT in the 1st round.

[Jetsplayer21]

36 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

I would not be opposed to drafting a blue chip Edge Rusher, or Blue Chip OT in the 1st round.

Ya despite Bowles clammering for early D picks every yr, 2 of our top 3 picks better be O. This BPA sh*t hasn’t worked ha

[nyjunc]

18 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

If Eli only had 1 Super Bowl ring he definately doesn’t get in with his stats alone. His stats don’t come close to “ modern day “ qbs worthy of HOF mention. Being a little bro of top 3 qb of all time will help to. The Hall with think it’s cute two brother qbs share hall together. So Eli will only get in because of giants HOF D, and his brother’s talents. 

The problem is people just look at compiled #s and b/c he has played every snap in this era where rules favor pass offenses people think he was great.  The facts are he put u mostly garbage time #s b/c he attempted so many passes and stayed healthy.  Moronic fans and the media will point to being top 10 all time in certain categories when they should be talking about top 5-10s in individual seasons which he rarely was.

 

Here's a great comparison:

Eli Manning vs. Johnny Uniats

No sane person would ever compare the two but let's see how #s can be manipulated.

 

Pass yards:

Eli 51,550 and counting

Unitas 40,239

Pass TDs:

Eli 338

Unitas 290

 

 

Obviously Eli is so much better, right? Never mind the rules changes for second, let's just simply prorate Unitas' #s based on Eli's # of attempts:

 

Unitas would have thrown for 57,169 yds, almost 6K more yards w/ same attempts

Unitas would have thrown 412 TDs, 74 more w/ same attempts

 

Now let's look at the leaderboards against their peers where it truly matters:

Pro Bowls:

unitas 10

Eli 4(w/ only 2 legitimate, 2 more as injury replacement)

all pro:

Unitas 5x 1st team all pro, 3x 2nd team all pro

Eli ZERO, not even a 2nd team all pro on any of the million all pro lists

Leaguye MVP:

Unitas 3x

Eli ZERO

Completions:

Unitas led 3x

Eli ZERO(highest is currently 5th and we know how horrible he has been this season in mostly garbage time)

Yards:

Unitas led 4x

Eli ZERO(highest was 5th)

TDs:

Unitas led 4x

Eli ZERO(highest was 2nd in another awful, lost season of 2015 thanks to Beckham)

Rating:

Unitas led 3x

Eli ZERO, only ONE top 10 finish coming in at #7 in 2011 which was one of only 2 seasons that can even be discussed as hall worthy in his long career.

record as starters:

Unitas 118-63-4

eli 110-103

Eli has started 28 more games(so far) and has 8 LESS wins w/ 40 MORE losses

 

It's not about compiled #s, Eli has been durable and thrown a lot during this era. He's 6th all time in pass attempts so yeah he should be top 10 in every category but compiling #s does not equal greatness.

 

17 hours ago, JiF said:

Eli Manning is 6th all time in yards and completions and 8th all time in TD's with probably a few more season to add to those stats and jump a few more guys.

He 100% has the resume from a stats perspective.  The rings just make the conversation about when?  First ballot or 2nd time around?   

6th all time in attempts, let's not forget that.  He has been durable and thrown a lot(mostly in meaningless games b/c he can't win games w/o a great team around him) but compiling #s in an era where the rules are skewed to the pass game does not make you a HOFer.

ZERO all pro teams, there are currently ZERO QBs in the HOF that made ZERO all pro teams whether it was the official or unofficial AP teams or 2nd team AP. they all have made multiple AP teams.  That means you are one of the best of your era when you start separating yourself.  Eli has led in only ONE major category and that is INts THREE times.  He has compiled #s that fool people, he was never great outside of some games here and there and there.  The last 2 weeks are what Eli Manning is, one week he could look great and the next can look like a rookie. 

HOF #s aren't compiled, they are about greatness,  Here's another comparison:

Eli vs. Kurt Warner

in compiled #s Eli blows him away:

Yds

Eli 51,550

KW 32,344

TDs

Eli 338

208

again, prorate Kurt's attempts to Eli's and Kurt would have had 58,552 yds(over 7K MORE) and 376 TDs(38 more)

 

against their peers(keep in mind Eli has played 13 full seasons and another half season, Kurt started more than 10 games just 6 times):

All pros:

KW 2x 1st team

EM ZERO

PBs

KW 4x(remember in basically 6 seasons)

EM 4x(in 13 seasons w/ 2 being as injury replacement

league MVPs:

KW 2x

EM ZERO(never even in consideration)

pass yds:

KW led 1x, top 2 3x

EM NEVER led, highest finish 5th)

pass TDs:

KW Led 2x

Eli ZERO

Rating:

KW Led 2x, top 3 4x

EM has been in top 10 ONE time(7th)

records as starters:

Kurt took over for 2 of the worst franchise in the sport.

In 1999 he took over for the Rams, in 1998 the Rams were 4-12.  From 1990-1998 the Rams BEST record was 7-9 in 1995. The 3 years Kurt was primary starter(1999-2001) the Rams went 35-8 w/ 2 conf titles and a SB title as he collected 2 league MVPs. Post Kurt Warner as primary starter 2002-current the Rams best record was 8-8 until the 2017 season.

In Arizona he took over another dreg of the league, when he took over the Cardinals had 2 playoff wins in their HISTORY(the oldest team in the NFL by the way), the closest they ever got to a SB was a double digit loss in the div rd.  Kurt led the Cardinals to a SB and won 4 playoff games.

Eli took over a team one year removed from going 10-6, a team that made the SB 4 years before he got there.  A team that was 5-4 w/ Kurt Warner in 2004 before they changed to Eli and he would lead them to 1-6 to finish the season.

Kurt is a HOFer, he was true greatness, elevating teams and being one of the top QBs in the league during his career.  Eli is a compiler who needed everything perfect around him to win and despite playing 13 full seasons compared to 6 Eli only has playoff wins in TWO postseasons while Kurt had playoff wins in FOUR postseasons. 

Also, Kurt won a playoff game where his defense allowed FORTY FIVE points, Eli never won a playoff game where his D allowed more than 20 points. By the way, Kurt won playoff games where his D allowed 37, 24, 24, 25 and 45.

 

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Eli and Joe, two QB he thinks are overrated.  

I don't think, I know.  Both were/are incredibly overrated.  The difference is Joe is a worthy HOFer based on what he meant to the game not for what he did on the field.  If it was just based on his play he wouldn't be in but he meant so much to the growth of the sport.  Eli doesn't have that to fall back on. 

and as overrated as Joe was he was still better than Eli:

he led league in comp twice, Eli's highest was 5th(this meaningless season)

led in TDs once, Eli never led

led in yards 3 times, Eli's highest was 5th

made 5 legit Pbs, Eli 2

4x 1st team all pro, Eli never came close to even making a 2nd team

league MVP 2x, Eli never even in consideration

Joe is overrated b/c of injuries, if he could have stayed healthy he could have had a great career but Joe was actually great for a brief time.  Eli was never great. 

[Jet Nut]

Joe wasn't overrated.  Before his knees got the best of him he was as good as anyone before or after his time.  It wasn't sustained because of technology back in his day made repair to the knee next to impossible.  But make no mistake, no one was better than Joe when healthy.  You make the same mistake looking at his entire career, most of the time injured and pain riddled.  The same logic you use to knock Eli, to healthy, too many passes, etc.  works both ways.  

[nyjunc]

17 hours ago, JiF said:

Huh?  Eli fan? I could give 2 sh*ts about Eli Manning.  You just said he doesn't get in with stats alone and I pointed out how he's top 10 and could be top 5 when it's all said in done in yards, TD's and completions.  

That's a lot of QB's he's in front of statistically that are in the HOF.  So he's 59%, what if he was 60%?  HOF worthy now? lol

 

He's top 10 b/c he is 6th overall in attempts playing his entire career where rules were in favor of pass offenses.  Not to mention playing the majority of his career in meaningless games where he could pad stats.  Most of the top 20 in attempts come from the QBs of the last 20 years or so. the greats do it annually not over time. 

Eli has NEVER made an all pro team, every single QB in the Hall has made at least 2nd team all pro.  Eli has only led in ONE major category and that's INTs THREE times.  Let's look at modern HOF QBs(QBs that at least played in most of the 1980s):

Fouts: 3x 1st team all pro, 4x 2nd team, led in TDs 2x, yds 4x, 6 real pro bowls, 1982 OPOY & MVP

Montana: 3x 1st team AP, 8 PBs, 2x league MVP, led in comp % 5x, TDs 2x, rating 2x.  In his 3 SB MVP games he led his O 's to 39.7 PPG, In Eli's 2 SB MVP games he led his O's to 18 PPG. 

Kelly: 1x 1st team AP, 2x 2nd team, 5 PBs, led in pass Tds 1x, rating 1x, comp % 1x

Elway: league MVP, 1x 1st team all pro, led in comp and yds

Young: 2x league MVP, 3x 1st team AP, 7x PBer, led in comp % 5x, TDs 4x, rating 6x

Marino: 3x 1st team all pro, 1 league MVP, 9x PB, led in comp 6x, yds 5x, TDs 3x, rating 1x

Moon: 1x AP, 9x PB, led in comp 3x, yds 2xTDs 1x

Aikman: 1x AP, 5x PB, led in comp % 1x

favre: 3x 1st team all pro, 11x PB, 3 league MVPs, led in comp 2x, yds 2x, TDs 4x

Warner 2x 1st team AP, 4 real PBs, 2x league MVP, led in comp 1x, comp % 3x, yds 1x, TDs 2x

 

does Eli Manning belong on a list w/ those QBs? of course not.  It's more than just #s. some of those  guys never won SBs but they never had D/STs like Eli had in those 2 runs.

I have discussed many times how he only has PO wins in just 2 postseasons and has never won a PO game where his D allowed more than 20 pts. let's look at those same QBs in regards to this:

 

Fouts: won PO games in 3 postseasons, won PO games where opps scored 38 and 28

Montana:  won PO games in 7 postseasons, won PO games where opps scored 24, 27, 23, 24

Kelly: won PO games in 6 seasons, won PO games where opps scored 34, 23, 22

Elway: won PO games in 6 seasons, won PO games where opps scored 33,23,21,24,21,24

Young: won PO games in 6 seasons, won PO games where opps scored 28,26,22,27

Marino: won PO games in 7 seasons, won PO games where opps scored 28,21

Moon: won PO games in 3 seasons, won PO games where opp scored 23

Aikman: won PO games in 5 seasons, won PO games where opps scored 21, 27

favre: won PO games in 9 seasons, won PO games where opps scored 24,21,27,

Warner won PO games in 4 postseasons, won PO games where opponent scored 37, 24, 24, 25, 45

 

so not only would he be the only QB in the HOf w/o any all pro selections, he's be the only one w/o ever leading any major positive category, the only one w/ playoff wins in less than 3 postseasons, the only one to never win a playoff game where opponent scored more than 20 points and although I didn't look it up I'd guess he's the only one on this list to miss the playoffs 7 of 9 seasons(in a weak division no less).

 

[nyjunc]

30 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Joe wasn't overrated.  Before his knees got the best of him he was as good as anyone before or after his time.  It wasn't sustained because of technology back in his day made repair to the knee next to impossible.  But make no mistake, no one was better than Joe when healthy.  You make the same mistake looking at his entire career, most of the time injured and pain riddled.  The same logic you use to knock Eli, to healthy, too many passes, etc.  works both ways.  

His career was overrated, he was great for a brief time and yes it was b/c of health but he wasn't great long enough.  his entire career on the field is not Hall worthy, he's in the Hall b/c of what he meant to the game.

[Jet Nut]

45 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

His career was overrated, he was great for a brief time and yes it was b/c of health but he wasn't great long enough.  his entire career on the field is not Hall worthy, he's in the Hall b/c of what he meant to the game.

Please just stop with the Namath talk.  Thanks for repeating exactly what I said but adding it makes him overrated.  WTF is the matter with you?  You come to a jet board and shlt on the teams all time best player, the face of the organization, an AFL icon and expect to convince us that you know better reading a start sheet, that he wasn't as good as we think.  Stop trolling

[JustInFudge]

Haha I don’t really care this much about Eli, simply pointing out he’s top 10 In everything and has time left to keep moving up the list. 

[nyjunc]

40 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Please just stop with the Namath talk.  Thanks for repeating exactly what I said but adding it makes him overrated.  WTF is the matter with you?  You come to a jet board and shlt on the teams all time best player, the face of the organization, an AFL icon and expect to convince us that you know better reading a start sheet, that he wasn't as good as we think.  Stop trolling

I talk realistically about all players regardless of team.  The facts are Joe's career was not great overall.  he had great moments, great seasons but his career was not great. I am sorry the truth bothers you.

[nyjunc]

5 minutes ago, JiF said:

Haha I don’t really care this much about Eli, simply pointing out he’s top 10 In everything and has time left to keep moving up the list. 

he's a classic compiler, he's not and never has been great.  the Hall is supposed to be for the all time greats.  He's not an all time great. 

[Matt39]

9 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

he's a classic compiler, he's not and never has been great.  the Hall is supposed to be for the all time greats.  He's not an all time great. 

The HOF voters have made it clear longevity matters. Curtis Martin got in first ballot. Eli isnt an all timer but hes a lock for the HOF.

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

The HOF voters have made it clear longevity matters. Curtis Martin got in first ballot. Eli isnt an all timer but hes a lock for the HOF.

Curtis Martin was one of the best of his generation and an all time great.    Again, the ONLY major category Eli led in was INts and he did so THREE times.  Curtis has a rushing title, Curtis carried Drew Bledsoe to a SB, he was a 2x 1st team all pro, 5 time real pro bowler, rookie of the year, he finished 2nd in rushing twice, 3rd one time.  Curtis was MUCH better RB than Eli a QB. 

 

Eli is more comparable to Jim Plunkett, both were top picks, struggled early, had few top 10 seasons and won2  SBs.  Plunkett did it by leading his O to more points but they were similar, the only difference is Eli played longer and in this pass happy era where rules favor pass O's.

 

Eli's career #s are: 51,550 yds, 338 TDs

if we prorate Plunkett to Eli's # of attempts:

51, 526 yards, 326 TDs

 

almost identical. 

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Curtis Martin was one of the best of his generation and an all time great.    Again, the ONLY major category Eli led in was INts and he did so THREE times.  Curtis has a rushing title, Curtis carried Drew Bledsoe to a SB, he was a 2x 1st team all pro, 5 time real pro bowler, rookie of the year, he finished 2nd in rushing twice, 3rd one time.  Curtis was MUCH better RB than Eli a QB. 

 

Eli is more comparable to Jim Plunkett, both were top picks, struggled early, had few top 10 seasons and won2  SBs.  Plunkett did it by leading his O to more points but they were similar, the only difference is Eli played longer and in this pass happy era where rules favor pass O's.

 

Eli's career #s are: 51,550 yds, 338 TDs

if we prorate Plunkett to Eli's # of attempts:

51, 526 yards, 326 TDs

 

almost identical. 

If we pro rate they're almost identical?  Lol.  Is that how it works? You make it sound like Plunkett could have had as many attempts but turned them down.  

[Jet Nut]

5 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I talk realistically about all players regardless of team.  The facts are Joe's career was not great overall.  he had great moments, great seasons but his career was not great. I am sorry the truth bothers you.

Realistically?  You think you're realistic when you call Namath overrated?  Sanchez a all time Jet, better than others who were clearly better, when you imagine he was one of the leagues best?  

Dont show pity for anyone, you're the one who just doesn't get it. But guaranteed will keep trying to convince Jet fans that their hero wasn't a hero after all

[nyjunc]

32 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

If we pro rate they're almost identical?  Lol.  Is that how it works? You make it sound like Plunkett could have had as many attempts but turned them down.  

He played in a completely different era, he was the Eli Manning of his era.

29 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Realistically?  You think you're realistic when you call Namath overrated?  Sanchez a all time Jet, better than others who were clearly better, when you imagine he was one of the leagues best?  

Dont show pity for anyone, you're the one who just doesn't get it. But guaranteed will keep trying to convince Jet fans that their hero wasn't a hero after all

When did I say mark was one of the best in the league? when did I say mark was an all time Jet? when did I put him ahead of Namath?

when you have to start making things up it's best to move along.  you have nothing to counter what I wrote.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

He played in a completely different era, he was the Eli Manning of his era.

When did I say mark was one of the best in the league? when did I say mark was an all time Jet? when did I put him ahead of Namath?

when you have to start making things up it's best to move along.  you have nothing to counter what I wrote.

Really, Eli and Plunket were the same player?  No they weren't.  I'm making up your unnatural love of Sanchez?  Ok, I must be wrong, he wasn't a top half of the league QB, ever.  He was a bottom of the league QB who lucked out playing on a very good jet team that carried him.  Love the nonsensical story that Eli was lucky he played with a dominant D can as a way to discredit him but consistently ignore that Sanchez played with a better D, the #1 NFL Draft, had the NFLs best running game, #1, and the league best OL.  And somehow managed to throw 1,000+ fewer yards than Eli and not make a single SB never mind win 2.  Put Eli on those Jet teams were shave a couple of rings.  You'll spin your story, cry about something.  Tell everyone he lacked weapons, lol, the OL want as good as we think and the running as well as the D really weren't best in the league.   Too many rushing yards in 1 game or some nonsense.  

[nyjunc]

14 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Really, Eli and Plunket were the same player?  No they weren't.  I'm making up your unnatural love of Sanchez?  Ok, I must be wrong, he wasn't a top half of the league QB, ever.  He was a bottom of the league QB who lucked out playing on a very good jet team that carried him.  Love the nonsensical story that Eli was lucky he played with a dominant D can as a way to discredit him but consistently ignore that Sanchez played with a better D, the #1 NFL Draft, had the NFLs best running game, #1, and the league best OL.  And somehow managed to throw 1,000+ fewer yards than Eli and not make a single SB never mind win 2.  Put Eli on those Jet teams were shave a couple of rings.  You'll spin your story, cry about something.  Tell everyone he lacked weapons, lol, the OL want as good as we think and the running as well as the D really weren't best in the league.   Too many rushing yards in 1 game or some nonsense.  

Eli is the Plunkett of this generation, a nice, solid starting QB after some early struggles in their careers.

I appreciate what Mark did, he was much better than given credit for but I never once called him a top QB or said he would be one.  He was a QB, much like Eli actually, that a team could win w/ as long as they had the right parts around him.  Eli and mark are very similar as well, the difference btw them is NYG kept adding talent around Eli, NYj stripped Mark of the talent around him and expected him to get better.

The NYG D was MUCH better in their 2 SB runs than our D was in our title game runs.  Our D was grat the WC and div rds then disappeared in title games.  NYG's D(and STs) won BOTH title games, in each title game they set Eli up in FG range to win those games.  At GB they picked off Favre, at SF STs produced a TO on a punt.

at SF in the 2011 title game Eli "led" the Giants to 10 pts in the 2nd half and OT combined, BOTH of those scores were set up by fumbled/muffed punt returns by SF so if he didn't get the ball deep in SF territory then they didn't score.  Eli had TWO possessions in OT before the fumble and couldn't get it done. 

what did our D do in the title games? blew a double digit lead at Indy and allowed 30 points(which could have been a lot more if Indy didn't run clock) then after putting us in a big hole at Pitt and getting the game back to a one possession game w/ 3 mins left and all 3 TOs the D allowed Pitt to run out the clock. 

Switch the QBs for NYG and NYJ and the outcomes are the same for both teams.  NYJ still loses in title games, NYG still wins 2 SBs.

 

[Jet Nut]

It's really hard to be this wrong, this consistently.  Eli is much better than Plunket, their games are completely different.  The Jets had a better defense in 09 than either Giants team, youre lost. 

[nyjunc]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

It's really hard to be this wrong, this consistently.  Eli is much better than Plunket, their games are completely different.  The Jets had a better defense in 09 than either Giants team, youre lost. 

yep we sure did have a better defense which was why they blew a double digit lead in the championship game and gave up 30 points while the Giants faced the greatest QB of all time twice and held him and his high scoring O to 14 & 17 pts.

as far as Eli vs. Plunkett.

Eli has been primary starter for 13 seasons, Plunkett for 9 seasons

top 10 in pass yds:

Plunkett 5x(56%)

Eli 6x(46%)

top 10 pass TDs:

Plunkett 3x(33%)

Eli 10(76%)

top 10 rating

Plunkett 1x(11%)

Eli 1x(.08%)

top 10 INTs

Plunkett 7(78%)

Eli 11(85%)

One and dones:

Eli 4 in 6 postseasons(67%)

Plunkett  1 in 4(25%)

virtually the same player.  Let's look at their SB runs

In 1980 and 1983 Plunkett led O to 25.7 PPG

In 2007 and 2011 Eli led O to 23.1 PPG

In SBs Plunkett led O to 25.5 PPG

Eli led O to 18 PPG

 

[prime21]

Eli will get into the HOF based on

2 Super Bowl MVP awards vs PERHAPS the greatest NFL dynasty including two all time memorable plays

passing yardage

2nd all time consecutive games playing streak

good boy image + family name

 

Its inevitable.

 

[Jet Nut]

Only a fool tries to compare the defenses for two seasons and rank each one off of a couple of games.  With a straight face.  

Nothing alike, I watched them, you read numbers.  Eli threw for basically 2xs the yardage as Plunkett.  Plunkett hardly sat on the bench almost as much as he started.  You're out of your mind, seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

[nyjunc]

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 9:19 AM, prime21 said:

Eli will get into the HOF based on

2 Super Bowl MVP awards vs PERHAPS the greatest NFL dynasty including two all time memorable plays

passing yardage

2nd all time consecutive games playing streak

good boy image + family name

 

Its inevitable.

 

2 SB MVP awards he didn't deserve but they tend to give it to QBs by default.  They won both SBs b/c their D was incredible holding the greatest QB of all time to 14 & 17 points.  That's why they won.

passing yardage in mostly meaningless games thanks to his team not competing b/c of him and thanks to playing entire career in pass happy era where rules were skewed to pass offenses and being so high in attempts.

cons games streak is only aspect of his career hall worthy.

good boy image by selling fake game worn memorabilia?

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 9:26 AM, Jet Nut said:

Only a fool tries to compare the defenses for two seasons and rank each one off of a couple of games.  With a straight face.  

Nothing alike, I watched them, you read numbers.  Eli threw for basically 2xs the yardage as Plunkett.  Plunkett hardly sat on the bench almost as much as he started.  You're out of your mind, seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes only a fool watches a D dominated for 2 postseasons that allows an offense to score 17 & 19 pts to win SBs. 

Eli threw for 2x the yardage b/c the game is completely different today, you may have watched both but you didn't/don't understand what you are watching.  You compare QBs against their era, Plunkett was to his era what Eli has been to this era.  A solid starting QB, nothing more.  The difference is Plunkett did more to help his team win SBs by leading his O to more points.

 

w/ SB talent around them Eli led his teams to 9.5 wins per season, Plunkett 11.5.  Basically every category outside of compiled #s in meaningless games Plunkett comes out on top.

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

2 SB MVP awards he didn't deserve but they tend to give it to QBs by default.  They won both SBs b/c their D was incredible holding the greatest QB of all time to 14 & 17 points.  That's why they won.

passing yardage in mostly meaningless games thanks to his team not competing b/c of him and thanks to playing entire career in pass happy era where rules were skewed to pass offenses and being so high in attempts.

cons games streak is only aspect of his career hall worthy.

good boy image by selling fake game worn memorabilia?

Yes only a fool watches a D dominated for 2 postseasons that allows an offense to score 17 & 19 pts to win SBs. 

Eli threw for 2x the yardage b/c the game is completely different today, you may have watched both but you didn't/don't understand what you are watching.  You compare QBs against their era, Plunkett was to his era what Eli has been to this era.  A solid starting QB, nothing more.  The difference is Plunkett did more to help his team win SBs by leading his O to more points.

 

w/ SB talent around them Eli led his teams to 9.5 wins per season, Plunkett 11.5.  Basically every category outside of compiled #s in meaningless games Plunkett comes out on top.

Just the fact that you can't stop twisting and churning numbers to convince people what they saw, understand that the game has changed completely and refuse to prorate numbers liked you do to make a mindless point makes you even more annoying than when you were a Finsheaven troll. Who was banned for his annoying posts there.

[nyjunc]

another stellar outing for Eli as he helped his team win their 2nd game of the year.  10 of 28, had a rushing attack w/ over 200 yds, got 3 TOs yet could only put up 18 points.  he is just simply amazing, lock Hall of Famer In their 2 wins this year Eli led his O to 18 and 12 pts(9 in regulation).  In all 15 games he led his O to an average of 14.2 PPG but he had almost 2500 yds so he must have been great! 

 

FOURTEEN POINT TWO points per games, to put that in perspective in 2012 w/ Mark Sanchez at QB, Chaz Schilens, Clyde Gates, Stephen Hill as his weapons we scored 15.1 PPG in games Mark started.

 

 

[nyjunc]

9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Just the fact that you can't stop twisting and churning numbers to convince people what they saw, understand that the game has changed completely and refuse to prorate numbers liked you do to make a mindless point makes you even more annoying than when you were a Finsheaven troll. Who was banned for his annoying posts there.

There's nothing to twist and turn, it's reality.

 

ZERO all pros

2 real pro bowls

led team to 9.5 wins per season in 2 SB seasons

led O to 18 PPG in 2 SBs

never led any major category other than INTs(THREE times)

missed playoffs 7 of last 9 seasons

got 2 HCs fired in less than 2 years

 

I don't get wowed by some compiled #s in meaningless games.  HOFers should consistently be great,, they can have down seasons but they need to be great the majority of their career.  Eli has ONE, MAYBE 2 Hall level seasons out of 14.  That's not cutting it, he was never one of the best of his generation so how can he be one of the best of all time?

In 2 SB starts he never led an O to at least 20 pts, let's look at how many QBs that won multiple SBs never led an O to at least 20:

 

ZERO