Hard to believe this was a thing

[slimjasi]

31 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

The Jets are the best looking team on paper ... going on 50 years.

Well, clearly not in 2019 . . . 

[Warfish]

9 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Over 4 drafts, Douglas has made 11 picks in rounds 1-2 (generally considered premium picks). Of those, 8/11 have been on offense.

4/7 first round picks have been on offense (O: Becton, Zach, AVT, G. Wilson, 😧 Sauce, JJ, McDonald)

4/4 2d rounders have been on offense (O: Mims, Moore, Breece, Tippmann) 

Hard to argue we're overallocating draft resources to the D or neglecting the O with our premium picks

So you're saying JD just sucks at building a working Offense, given the level of investment, and the resulting last or near-last ranks?

I agree.

[Doggin94it]

9 hours ago, Warfish said:

So you're saying JD just sucks at building a working Offense, given the level of investment, and the resulting last or near-last ranks?

I agree.

I'm saying that when you miss on a QB as badly as the Jets did on Zach, almost nothing else you do on offense matters unless you get obscenely lucky (see "Brock Purdy in the 7th"). 

[southparkcpa]

2 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

I'm saying that when you miss on a QB as badly as the Jets did on Zach and every other QB since KOB, almost nothing else you do on offense matters unless you get obscenely lucky (see "Brock Purdy in the 7th"). 

added a little depth.....

[bicketybam]

14 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

added a little depth.....

Let's face it. Ken O'Brien had two good years with the Jets and the rest were fair to outright bad. Taking him over Marino was a collosal mistake. 

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

I'm saying that when you miss on a QB as badly as the Jets did on Zach, almost nothing else you do on offense matters unless you get obscenely lucky (see "Brock Purdy in the 7th"). 

Oh, it matters too. 

Saying it doesn't just ignores/excuses the various other mistakes, misfires and outright screwups on offense by JD.

[southparkcpa]

8 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Let's face it. Ken O'Brien had two good years with the Jets and the rest were fair to outright bad. Taking him over Marino was a collosal mistake. 

I was trying to be respectful of all the KO fans. I hated the guy.  Birds would sh*t on him in the pocket because they thought he was a statue.

[FootballLove]

On 3/30/2024 at 9:52 AM, Warfish said:

2019 Jets Offense - ranked 31st in the NFL.

Since then, 32nd, 28th, 29th, 29th.

 

So what ur saying is the Jets aren't the only team with a killer Defense!

[southparkcpa]

30 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

I'm saying that when you miss on a QB as badly as the Jets did on Zach, almost nothing else you do on offense matters unless you get obscenely lucky (see "Brock Purdy in the 7th"). 

 

9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Oh, it matters too. 

Saying it doesn't just ignores/excuses the various other mistakes, misfires and outright screwups on offense by JD.

Warfish wrote a post describing the Jets from 2000 to now as really 2 eras.  Era 1, we had some decent QB play with Penny and Sanchez and as such, would win 9-10 games.  A decent QB, not great, Jets win at least 9-10 games last year. IMO.

[Doggin94it]

8 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

 

Warfish wrote a post describing the Jets from 2000 to now as really 2 eras.  Era 1, we had some decent QB play with Penny and Sanchez and as such, would win 9-10 games.  A decent QB, not great, Jets win at least 9-10 games last year. IMO.

Yep. Which isn't the greatest offensive build in the world, but outside of QB it's not an abject failure; it's just ... average

[jamesr]

22 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Over 4 drafts, Douglas has made 11 picks in rounds 1-2 (generally considered premium picks). Of those, 8/11 have been on offense.

4/7 first round picks have been on offense (O: Becton, Zach, AVT, G. Wilson, 😧 Sauce, JJ, McDonald)

4/4 2d rounders have been on offense (O: Mims, Moore, Breece, Tippmann) 

Hard to argue we're overallocating draft resources to the D or neglecting the O with our premium picks

 

13 hours ago, Warfish said:

So you're saying JD just sucks at building a working Offense, given the level of investment, and the resulting last or near-last ranks?

I agree.

I might be going on poor memory here, but if you look back at the run of draft picks during the Rex era, and I guess the Bowles period also (too short a stay to be an era ), we heavily favored defense over offense at the top of the draft. So you could say that the offense's underperformance was due to lack of investment.

With JD we have invested a lot more draft picks, but still come up well short when it comes to performance. (HITS - Breece, GW, hopefully Tippy; MISSES - Becton, Wilson, Mims, Moore; TBC - AVT w. injury issues). Wilson missing is especially damaging given the importance of that position.

Now you can argue for days about which is worse - not to try; or to try, and fail anyway. But either way, it hasn't been at all good.

EDIT - the actual "HITS" on each side comes out the same - 2 on O, 2 on D, with two that are "too early to tell". In % terms, a far worse hit rate on O than on D.

 

[Warfish]

28 minutes ago, jamesr said:

I might be going on poor memory here, but if you look back at the run of draft picks during the Rex era, and I guess the Bowles period also (too short a stay to be an era ), we heavily favored defense over offense at the top of the draft. So you could say that the offense's underperformance was due to lack of investment.

Yes.

28 minutes ago, jamesr said:

With JD we have invested a lot more draft picks, but still come up well short when it comes to performance. (HITS - Breece, GW, hopefully Tippy; MISSES - Becton, Wilson, Mims, Moore; TBC - AVT w. injury issues). Wilson missing is especially damaging given the importance of that position.

Yes.

28 minutes ago, jamesr said:

Now you can argue for days about which is worse - not to try; or to try, and fail anyway. But either way, it hasn't been at all good.

Yes.