viffer Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 8/4/2024 at 12:20 PM, More Cowbell said: I think it will be more accurate. If you look at how they use Hawk Eye in Tennis, they can spot the exact location where the ball lands. This will be a knee and they will know where in the field it hit. In tennis you don't have 6 huge guys on top of the ball when it hits the ground. How does the Hawk Eye spot the ball under a pile of bodies? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, viffer said: In tennis you don't have 6 huge guys on top of the ball when it hits the ground. How does the Hawk Eye spot the ball under a pile of bodies? In football (soccer) they have a microchip in the ball, which allows for very accurate measurements on whether the ball crossed the goal-line etc. Could be something similar to that. Having said that, the system on display on Saturday's game was terrible - it seemed to take forever for the digital measurement to happen. Even the old guys running onto the field with chains is quicker than that, and more entertaining and suspenseful. New system needs work - until it's better, they should stick with the chain gang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 8/2/2024 at 4:26 AM, Sperm Edwards said: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-moving-closer-to-replacing-chain-gang-with-new-technology-to-measure-line-to-gain NFL moving closer to replacing chain gang with new technology to measure line to gain I believe Rodger Godell said it best. "Let put the chain gang back where they belong. Picking up trash on the side of the highway." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 hours ago, viffer said: In tennis you don't have 6 huge guys on top of the ball when it hits the ground. How does the Hawk Eye spot the ball under a pile of bodies? It's 100% where the refs spot it, not the chain gang causing any issue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viffer Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 hours ago, mrcoops said: In football (soccer) they have a microchip in the ball, which allows for very accurate measurements on whether the ball crossed the goal-line etc. Could be something similar to that. In soccer the ball crossing the goal line is all that matters. In football, the most important thing is when the player is down. Unless you put sensors in the uniforms to detect every body part that may count as down, i.e., knees, forearms, etc., knowing the position of the football doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 On 8/12/2024 at 8:48 AM, viffer said: In tennis you don't have 6 huge guys on top of the ball when it hits the ground. How does the Hawk Eye spot the ball under a pile of bodies? Well, it isn't the ball they would have to spot. It would actually be easier if it was. It's a knee or elbow. You can see that part of the body hit before there is any kind of pile up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viffer Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 18 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Well, it isn't the ball they would have to spot. It would actually be easier if it was. It's a knee or elbow. You can see that part of the body hit before there is any kind of pile up. Not true. Yes, on some plays it is visible from above. But how many plays do they need a ground-level view because the knee is so close, or there are bodies underneath and they can't tell if the player with the ball actually touched the ground or was on top of another body? Look, I have been designed tech for many, many years, so I am all in favor of tech where it works. Using tech, however, just for tech's sake I don't agree with. There are too many issues that would have to be addressed, and the Hawk Eye system, designed for a totally different environment, i.e., a clearly visible ball hitting a clearly visible line, is not a viable solution for football. With that said, I do believe eventually there will be a technical solution to solve this problem, probably involving sensors in the ball and the uniforms. I just don't think we have it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 8/14/2024 at 9:09 AM, viffer said: Not true. Yes, on some plays it is visible from above. But how many plays do they need a ground-level view because the knee is so close, or there are bodies underneath and they can't tell if the player with the ball actually touched the ground or was on top of another body? Look, I have been designed tech for many, many years, so I am all in favor of tech where it works. Using tech, however, just for tech's sake I don't agree with. There are too many issues that would have to be addressed, and the Hawk Eye system, designed for a totally different environment, i.e., a clearly visible ball hitting a clearly visible line, is not a viable solution for football. With that said, I do believe eventually there will be a technical solution to solve this problem, probably involving sensors in the ball and the uniforms. I just don't think we have it yet. From what I understand about Hawk Eye, the use a ball that Hawk Eye can see. I would bet that same tech is already in the uniforms if they are using a system like Hawk Eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 8/2/2024 at 4:26 AM, Sperm Edwards said: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-moving-closer-to-replacing-chain-gang-with-new-technology-to-measure-line-to-gain NFL moving closer to replacing chain gang with new technology to measure line to gain Published: Jul 31, 2024 at 11:25 AM Associated Press The NFL is moving closer to replacing the chain gang with new technology to measure line to gain. NFL executive Gary Brantley told The Associated Press the league will test Sony's Hawk-Eye technology during some preseason games. The system most likely wouldn't be ready for full implementation until next season, though it could happen sooner. "We're in the installation phase for all of our stadiums, really getting them calibrated and up to date," said Brantley, the NFL's senior vice president and chief information officer. "We're just really getting to a place where this system is as accurate as possible and really calibrating across our multiple stadiums. ... We have multiple stadiums with multiple dimensions inside of those stadiums with different age. So we're really just going through the installation of putting in the infrastructure and making sure these cameras are installed." Sony, which was named the NFL's official technology partner on Wednesday, has expanded its sports technology through Hawk-Eye Innovations to support officiating and the development of on-field and sideline technologies, including a new coach's sideline headset that will debut in 2025. Its Hawk-Eye tracking services for line-to-gain measurement adds cameras to stadiums to track players, officials and the ball. The optimal tracking system notifies officials instantly if a first down was gained after the ball is spotted by hand. "We're reducing a significant amount of time, 40 seconds for each time of use that basically is making the game that much more impactful," said Neal Manowitz, Sony president and chief operations officer. "And then also the system is accurate down to less than half an inch, which is incredibly, incredibly accurate. Hopefully the fans appreciate the objective view, or at least half the fans each play will be appreciating it." The NFL has long used two bright orange sticks and a chain to measure for first downs. That method would remain in a backup capacity. Beyond new technology for line-to-gain measurement and new headsets for coaches' communication, Sony is partnering with the NFL to enhance sideline photography, broadcast cameras and production, and more. "The NFL has incredibly high standards and really what we're talking about in this relationship is together, at the highest level, how do we change the future of sports," Manowitz said. "How we change line to gain is a great example, and that's where. ... we get the creators of the game, all of the people of the ops team, the coaches, the players, how do we get that community as close as possible to our engineers, and how do we bring them and then ultimately provide a much better experience for fans." As long as it does not get in the way of the refs fixing a game for Patrick Mahomes, I am all for it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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