Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here is some numbers for nugent this year. I did not include kickoffs that were: onside kicks, squib, out of bounds or not from the 30. Using these would have skewed the numbers and not give a real representation of what nugent did. Here we go GL-Endzone> 12 kicks 24.73 return avg 23.92 start avg. 1-5 yd line> 20 kicks 24.3 return avg 27.00 start avg. 6-10 yd line> 18 kicks 20.67 return avg 28.61 start avg. 11-15 yd line> 12 kicks 22.17 return avg 34.08 start avg 16-20 yd line> 8 kicks 16.25 return avg 33.5 start avg 20 yd line +> 2 kicks 7.5 return avg 35 start avg. Overall, return avg was 21.70 and start avg was 29.01 One thing to point out is the Jets had no kicks returned for a TD or to their side of the field. Worst starting spot was the 44. Best was 9 yd line. 22 of 72 kicks were outside of the 10 yd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here is some numbers for nugent this year. I did not include kickoffs that were: onside kicks, squib, out of bounds or not from the 30. Using these would have skewed the numbers and not give a real representation of what nugent did. Here we go GL-Endzone> 12 kicks 24.73 return avg 23.92 start avg. 1-5 yd line> 20 kicks 24.3 return avg 27.00 start avg. 6-10 yd line> 18 kicks 20.67 return avg 28.61 start avg. 11-15 yd line> 12 kicks 22.17 return avg 34.08 start avg 16-20 yd line> 8 kicks 16.25 return avg 33.5 start avg 20 yd line +> 2 kicks 7.5 return avg 35 start avg. Overall, return avg was 21.70 and start avg was 29.01 One thing to point out is the Jets had no kicks returned for a TD or to their side of the field. Worst starting spot was the 44. Best was 9 yd line. 22 of 72 kicks were outside of the 10 yd line. When you break it down like that, its nto so bad... only problem is if he could hit touchbacks its on the 20 yd line with no risk. Really though we need to start further back than the 29... 25 would be good. Whats the stats of say... the ravens kicker? Or another TOP team this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here is some numbers for nugent this year. I did not include kickoffs that were: onside kicks, squib, out of bounds or not from the 30. Using these would have skewed the numbers and not give a real representation of what nugent did. Here we go GL-Endzone> 12 kicks 24.73 return avg 23.92 start avg. 1-5 yd line> 20 kicks 24.3 return avg 27.00 start avg. 6-10 yd line> 18 kicks 20.67 return avg 28.61 start avg. 11-15 yd line> 12 kicks 22.17 return avg 34.08 start avg 16-20 yd line> 8 kicks 16.25 return avg 33.5 start avg 20 yd line +> 2 kicks 7.5 return avg 35 start avg. Overall, return avg was 21.70 and start avg was 29.01 One thing to point out is the Jets had no kicks returned for a TD or to their side of the field. Worst starting spot was the 44. Best was 9 yd line. 22 of 72 kicks were outside of the 10 yd line. Thanks for the post. Nice research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here is some numbers for nugent this year. I did not include kickoffs that were: onside kicks, squib, out of bounds or not from the 30. Using these would have skewed the numbers and not give a real representation of what nugent did. Here we go GL-Endzone> 12 kicks 24.73 return avg 23.92 start avg. 1-5 yd line> 20 kicks 24.3 return avg 27.00 start avg. 6-10 yd line> 18 kicks 20.67 return avg 28.61 start avg. 11-15 yd line> 12 kicks 22.17 return avg 34.08 start avg 16-20 yd line> 8 kicks 16.25 return avg 33.5 start avg 20 yd line +> 2 kicks 7.5 return avg 35 start avg. Overall, return avg was 21.70 and start avg was 29.01 One thing to point out is the Jets had no kicks returned for a TD or to their side of the field. Worst starting spot was the 44. Best was 9 yd line. 22 of 72 kicks were outside of the 10 yd line. Just a little side note, on the NFL official stats, we were 9th best in return average, but 29th best in kickoff average... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 When you break it down like that, its nto so bad... only problem is if he could hit touchbacks its on the 20 yd line with no risk. Really though we need to start further back than the 29... 25 would be good. Whats the stats of say... the ravens kicker? Or another TOP team this year? I will have to look into it, just getting the jets #'s took some time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 on the NFL official stats, we were 9th best in return average, That makes me wonder if maybe NUUUGEE is doing it if not on purpose by right at least by luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 When you break it down like that, its nto so bad... only problem is if he could hit touchbacks its on the 20 yd line with no risk. Really though we need to start further back than the 29... 25 would be good. Whats the stats of say... the ravens kicker? Or another TOP team this year? Baltimore used 2 kickers, Stover (FG kicker) and Koch (punter) so I will look at another team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Baltimore used 2 kickers, Stover (FG kicker) and Koch (punter) so I will look at another team Cool, Im curious if we are realy that deficiant in this area or if eveyrone is... and its close to normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 That makes me wonder if maybe NUUUGEE is doing it if not on purpose by right at least by luck... The return average is all fine and dandy but not when the returner is taking it from the 10-15 yd. line instead of the 0-5 yd. line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The return average is all fine and dandy but not when the returner is taking it from the 10-15 yd. line instead of the 0-5 yd. line. True, but Im curious what the AVG starting position is for other teams.. we get them at the 29yd line.. whats the best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyJET2280 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I liked him as our kicker. Do we have to sign him to another contract ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I liked him as our kicker. Do we have to sign him to another contract ? He's only in his 2nd year so we shouldn't need to yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJ06 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 NFL.com - NFL Stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Well, unless my math is off these are some of the better average starting postions. Chicago - 25.7 Jacksonville - 25.8 Atlanta - 25.8 Tampa Bay - 26.2 The thing to keep in mind with these numbers is that it really doesn't say as much for the kicker as it does for the team's kick return coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Well, unless my math is off these are some of the better average starting postions. Chicago - 25.7 Jacksonville - 25.8 Atlanta - 25.8 Tampa Bay - 26.2 The thing to keep in mind with these numbers is that it really doesn't say as much for the kicker as it does for the team's kick return coverage. SO we are only a few yards off from those teams, which must equate to having great coverage on the kicks... now if only w ehad a combo of a kiker who could hang up the kickoff to fall at the 5 and the great coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 True, but Im curious what the AVG starting position is for other teams.. we get them at the 29yd line.. whats the best? These numbers are the official NFL numbers, I subtracted the return avg from kickoff avg and then went from the 30 yd line (normal spot for kickoff) These numbers include onside, squib, not from 30 and out of bounds and thats why the numbers for the Jets is diff. This is just a general view of the stats. To really see where we stand, you need to break down all the individual game stats, which will take some time. But this will give you a general idea of where we stand. Chicago- 25.7 Jacksonville- 25.8 Atlanta- 25.8 Detroit- 26 TB- 26.2 SD- 26.7 Cincy- 27.1 GB-27.4 NE- 27.5 Philly- 27.7 Giants-27.8 Cleve- 28.2 Ariz- 28.4 Houston-28.5 Carolina- 28.7 Baltimore- 28.7 Miami- 28.9 Dallas- 28.9 Denver- 29 Seattle- 29.7 Tenn- 30 Wash- 30.3 SF- 30.4 NO- 30.5 Pitt- 0.6 Jets-30.7 Indy-30.8 KC- 31 St Louis- 31.8 Buffalo- 32.3 Minnesota- 34.1 Oakland- 35.8 Also, my original # for the Jets includes the playoff game with the Pats. These #'s do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 So we are near the bottom but only 5 yards from the top... now is it worth us chasing someone down, or risking messing up Nuge or Grahms kicking motion for 5yds per kickoff? Especially considering we didnt let anyone run one back even to the 50 I think we might be all set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 He's only in his 2nd year so we shouldn't need to yet. He has 2 years left on his original contract (2007 & 2008) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 He has 2 years left on his original contract (2007 & 2008) I wonder if he will be here in 2009? If he makes 20+ in a row consistantly then yes... a couple more Tennesee games... then no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 So we are near the bottom but only 5 yards from the top... now is it worth us chasing someone down, or risking messing up Nuge or Grahms kicking motion for 5yds per kickoff? Especially considering we didnt let anyone run one back even to the 50 I think we might be all set. Thats the question.... We had good coverage on kickoffs according to the numbers, considering we only had 5 kicks not returned (2 TBs, 2 onside, 1 out of bounds). The key to kickoffs is we need good coverage. He did kick 50 of 72 inside the 10... if he can improve that number, he will be all set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 So we are near the bottom but only 5 yards from the top... now is it worth us chasing someone down, or risking messing up Nuge or Grahms kicking motion for 5yds per kickoff? Especially considering we didnt let anyone run one back even to the 50 I think we might be all set. Technically we didnt have one past the 50, but there was one long runback called back for penalty.... Plus, the main thing is not where they start, but how did they do on that drive. If they started at the 35 and stopped them from scoring range, its better than them driving 99 yds and scoring a TD. Wish I had more time to dig into that... too bad I have to be to work at 9 tomorrow morning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Technically we didnt have one past the 50, but there was one long runback called back for penalty.... My heart dropped.... everyone around me in the Stadium was in complete shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I really don't care what the exact numbers are. It is obvious that we need to employ a kickoff specialist next season. Touchbacks make the world go 'round. How many times are they going to NOT get past the 20 whenever Nuge sails it to the 8-yard line? Few and far between. And, whenever he kicks it shorter than that, of course they don't get a great return, but they are still set up in prime field position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I really don't care what the exact numbers are. It is obvious that we need to employ a kickoff specialist next season. Touchbacks make the world go 'round. How many times are they going to NOT get past the 20 whenever Nuge sails it to the 8-yard line? Few and far between. And, whenever he kicks it shorter than that, of course they don't get a great return, but they are still set up in prime field position. Yeah but we are only 5 yards worse than the BEST in the NFL... how much better could bringing someone in make us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Yeah but we are only 5 yards worse than the BEST in the NFL... how much better could bringing someone in make us... 5 yards in field position can make quite a difference. The fact that the numbers aren't TERRIBLE says a lot for our coverage team. Had they allowed a huge return, the numbers would look a lot different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 5 yards in field position can make quite a difference. The fact that the numbers aren't TERRIBLE says a lot for our coverage team. Had they allowed a huge return, the numbers would look a lot different. I agree, if we can find someone and have a spot for them. Lets sign them... but if all they are doing is kickoffs they better be kicking it into the endzone often or its not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 Starting position for kicks to the endzone, 33 21 24 27 20 26 25 32 23 20 27 9 avg start position- 23.9 yd line Starting positions for kicks 11-20 yds 31 25 32 27 37 43 36 34 33 32 42 37 28 33 29 35 35 29 35 44 Avg start position 30.15 Once again, these avg are based off of my adjusted numbers. I really dont have an opinion either way... I would like to see more TB's but at what cost? Is a specialist worth a roster spot? Its time for Westhoff to earn his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 5 yards in field position can make quite a difference. The fact that the numbers aren't TERRIBLE says a lot for our coverage team. Had they allowed a huge return, the numbers would look a lot different. Exactly... one or two big returns and we are as bad as Oakland... To me, the stat that I want to look into more is how does Nugent rank in terms of kicks inside the 10. Is 50 of 72 good or bad??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Exactly... one or two big returns and we are as bad as Oakland... To me, the stat that I want to look into more is how does Nugent rank in terms of kicks inside the 10. Is 50 of 72 good or bad??? I don't think it's very good, especially when you consider that his kicks rarely cross over the goal-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!! His most important and impressive stat is 21 of his last 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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