Blackout Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 .338 batting average, .603 slugging average, 58 doubles 6 triples 34 HR 63 walks, 391 total bases holy poop on a stick. that'd be one hell of a real full season. do you smell MVP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Better numbers than A-Rod, based on position scarcity Seriously, his wrists are so quick through the zone and he stays on a ball like no one else. He has dramatically improved his fielding, too. If I were to start a team, he would probably be the guy I would start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Utley is the miost dangerous hitter on that team- Pat Burell is having a monster first month of the season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 Better numbers than A-Rod, based on position scarcity Seriously, his wrists are so quick through the zone and he stays on a ball like no one else. He has dramatically improved his fielding, too. If I were to start a team, he would probably be the guy I would start with. LOL lets not take it THAT far .338/.415/.603 isn't as good as .314/.422/.645 but Utley is the ****ing man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 1-alex rodriguez is a HOFer and has been the best player in baseball over the last 12 years, has 3 MVP awards and finished 2nd a few times. chase utley has had 3-4 solid seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 12 years ago is 1996, not 98.... wright certainly looks better than cano this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 The disparity between Rodriguez and Utley is the same as it is between Wright and Cano. You argued position scarcity between Wright and Cano. Same goes for Utley then. You can't use the argument one way, and then turn it around when someone uses the same comparison. But that would mean someone is more valuable than a Yankee. Under Article 3, section 8 of the By Laws of the MLB Constitution, that is not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 But that would mean someone is more valuable than a Yankee. Under Article 3, section 8 of the By Laws of the MLB Constitution, that is not possible. article 2 actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Why somebody turned this thread to Arod I dont know. Utley is awesome, by far the best 2B in the game. But comparing him to a guy who hit 20 more home runs than him last year isnt fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 4, 2008 Share Posted May 4, 2008 Why somebody turned this thread to Arod I dont know. Utley is awesome, by far the best 2B in the game. But comparing him to a guy who hit 20 more home runs than him last year isnt fair. It's because Utley plays the magical position of 2nd base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Oh, okay. Utley is no Rogers Hornsby though. Rogers may have been better than A-rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 Why somebody turned this thread to Arod I dont know. Utley is awesome, by far the best 2B in the game. But comparing him to a guy who hit 20 more home runs than him last year isnt fair. Scott being his usual jackass self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 4, 2008 Author Share Posted May 4, 2008 If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Your habit of turning discussions where you don't really have a defense and turn it into name calling are tiring. I do no such thing. I just bring real talk to this forum. Not weaksauce like some other people... Back on topic, Chase Utley is winning an MVP this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 Has there been a season he hasn't? 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Utley is the miost dangerous hitter on that team- Pat Burell is having a monster first month of the season though. Burell is also a big time Met killer. I hate that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 One can only guess that this only blather from you, as you come to teh table with nothing to back up your claim. Unless you think batting average is more important than other statistics, Cano did not touch Wright in 2006. .342/.366/.525 57 XBH, 126 OPS+ in 122 games .311/.381/.531 71 XBH, 133 OPS+ in 154 games how did he not "touch" him? playing 2nd base certainly makes up for the small OPS+ difference. put the pipe down son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 wright hits 4th cano hits 7th/8th why should i include RBI? what are those worth in this case? slugging average includes HR's in it, not that you would know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 When did positional analysis enter back in? And how do you quantitatively account for that? You conveniently left out HR totals, RBI and SBs Hrs, RBIs, and SBs are clearly useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 precisely. I like your list of reasons for Wright being so much superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 If you want to get picky, Wright hits in a much less hitter friendly park. But we get it Blackout, everyone who plays as a Yankee or on your fantasy team =AWESOME, everyone else=SUCKS. And after that, you will resort to name calling. Its what young kids do,,see the world through homer glasses.. Its a teen thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blackout Posted May 7, 2008 Author Share Posted May 7, 2008 looks like you are correct about Wright batting 5th however, Cano batted 5th 11 times that year. he spent more time at 6, 7 and 8. Wright barely holds an advantage in power (.531 vs .438 and .525 vs .440), which is expected from a 3rd basemen. Wright has a small in run production (7.4 vs 6.6) but nothing dominating. but Cano holds an edge on defense (wright played an average 3rd base, cano played an average 2nd). in conclusion, David Wright is clearly superior in every faccet of the game and I am sincerely apologetic for questioning your authority on the subject of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zeebers Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I love your definition of "slight". My numbers were from baseball-reference in terms of where Cano batted in 2006. According to them, just over half of his at bats came from the 5 and 6 spot. Wright has won a Gold Glove at 3b. While he hardly is a superior fielder, he certainly is above average. He has put on a clinic, just this past week alone. I think Wright gets to the ball as well as anyone I've seen. His biggest issue is his arm is erratic. I don't have any statistics, but I would bet that most of his errors come from his throws to first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 wright is inconsistent at 3b... he's the Oliver Perez of third basemen. He makes some great plays, outstanding plays... then he'll go and throw one away because of a lack of focus. He might be better for us at 1b in the future... like Youkilis did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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