Irish Jet Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Jets To Ask Chad Pennington To Take A Pay Cut? Chad Pennington is well aware that, should Kellen Clemens win the job, his status could be tenuous - much the way his friend and fellow Marshall grad Bryon Leftwich was when David Garrard beat him out for the QB job in Jacksonville. Leftwich was released before last season. Because Clemens is unproven, if Pennington were to lose out for the starting job it's unlikely he'd be released, but the Jets would almost certainly demand he take a pay cut from the $6 million he's scheduled to earn in 2008. Source: NY Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Seems reasonable. $6M for a backup is not a reasonable sum of money if he's lost his job because of play not because of injury. Though I wouldn't want a "you can make it back with incentives" clauses because then it's in his direct financial interest - to the tune of millions of dollars - to see Clemens fail, and to see him fail early. Pennington doesn't come across as being like that, but on paper that's how it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 Seems reasonable. $6M for a backup is not a reasonable sum of money if he's lost his job because of play not because of injury. Though I wouldn't want a "you can make it back with incentives" clauses because then it's in his direct financial interest - to the tune of millions of dollars - to see Clemens fail, and to see him fail early. Pennington doesn't come across as being like that, but on paper that's how it would be. I don't really see how Chad could directly impact Clemens failing at this point TBH. He's not going to take a bat to him after practice or something. I always felt there would be a problem if Chad was a backup, I just don't feel he'll be content in that role to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Sort of makes light to the post that Penny "chose" to stay here. Leave with same money and unfamiliar surroundings, or stay where he's comfortable and take a possible pay cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 I don't really see how Chad could directly impact Clemens failing at this point TBH. He's not going to take a bat to him after practice or something. I always felt there would be a problem if Chad was a backup, I just don't feel he'll be content in that role to be honest. Well I don't think he had to deal with too much BS from Testaverde when he first got the job for good. And he considers that to have been instrumental in his development. He'd have to be a real scumbag to not give Clemens the same help/support that he benefited from with Vinny. I don't see that happening with Chad. But the door would be open for him to start expressing discontent to players like Coles & others he's known for years. That would be very bad. Then again - is there really anything, other than effectively selling a play-action, that you want Clemens to learn from Pennington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 It is very reasonable if he does not beat out Clemens in camp. I can't find one back-up making $6 million a year. Heck, even as a starter he's not worth $6 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Well I don't think he had to deal with too much BS from Testaverde when he first got the job for good. And he considers that to have been instrumental in his development. He'd have to be a real scumbag to not give Clemens the same help/support that he benefited from with Vinny. I don't see that happening with Chad. But the door would be open for him to start expressing discontent to players like Coles & others he's known for years. That would be very bad. Then again - is there really anything, other than effectively selling a play-action, that you want Clemens to learn from Pennington? Penny can read a Defense, I read somewhere (maybe here) that Clemens is struggling with this part of his game. Maybe Penny can teach him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Well I don't think he had to deal with too much BS from Testaverde when he first got the job for good. And he considers that to have been instrumental in his development. He'd have to be a real scumbag to not give Clemens the same help/support that he benefited from with Vinny. I don't see that happening with Chad. But the door would be open for him to start expressing discontent to players like Coles & others he's known for years. That would be very bad. Then again - is there really anything, other than effectively selling a play-action, that you want Clemens to learn from Pennington? Yeah I think Chad could help him with some other things, like maybe reading the D, audibles, clock management, and leaderships stuff. I do not think Chad would cause any problems, and he would support Kellen if he beat him out fair and square. Of course everybody will know Chad wants to play and they should want him to feel that way, but I don't think it will become a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 My concern is that Chad teaches him how to be fearful of downfield passing unless a receiver is wide, wide open. Just like Hackett taught Pennington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 My concern is that Chad teaches him how to be fearful of downfield passing unless a receiver is wide, wide open. Just like Hackett taught Pennington.Let's hope Kellen knows he can not afford to be scared, if he is going to make it, he needs to be able to throw the long ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Why would he take a pay cut if he were looking to be moved? They'd still have to give him more than he'd be worth on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Why would he take a pay cut if he were looking to be moved? They'd still have to give him more than he'd be worth on the open market. Well it doesn't say how much of a pay cut. I doubt they're talking about dropping him from $6M to $1M or anything that drastic. But it could be down to the $3M-ish range. Pennington might or might not get that this year from someone else if he's cut at the end of August. But a cut down to $4M at least still leaves Pennington with more than he should be getting as a backup and saves the Jets $2M. Every little bit helps. Keep in mind after this season there's still that last $3M of his original SB that has to come off the cap. If they can effectively reduce that number to $1M (or less), it would help. That money can then go to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashlite80 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 One thing I am not concerned about is Pennington's attitude if he loses out to Clemmons. Chad is a true professional. He would know that, in spite of a horrible 2007, he was given every chance to win the job. The realization that you have come to the point in your carreer where you are a back-up is hard but there is no question, it would not have been a rash or hasty decision. Next, where would Chad prefer to go? Noone else wants hims as more than a veteran back-up/insurance against a young starters failing. That spels a $1 million doll back-up salary. Finally, if Chad were going to get negative and undermine the team, he had the chance last year. Instead, he took the high road and was very supportive of Clemmons. Chad does have the skills that Clemmons lacks. He needs to read defenses better and a better play-action fake wouldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 I'm not worried about Chad either, I really think he will do the right thing no matter what happens. If he loses out to KC fair and square, he will probably take a cut to stay here, and we would need a back up anyway. I think they should offer him incentives as SE said and I think there are some very important fundementals, that Chad can help Kellen with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 If Chad loses out in camp, he should be cut. No reason to have a potential distraction on your team at the QB position. Not to mention Chads already proven himself to be a massive vageen when benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 If Chad loses out in camp, he should be cut. No reason to have a potential distraction on your team at the QB position. Not to mention Chads already proven himself to be a massive vageen when benched. Right and if KC gets hurt we will just go with what's his name over there right. Chad was supportive of Kellen and he would be again, he could teach him somethings IMO, and we need a veteran back up anyway. If he takes a cut that would be a bonus, unless we can cut him and sign some one else just as good or better for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 Not to mention Chads already proven himself to be a massive vageen when benched. How exactly?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 How exactly?? Oh, I dunno, lets see here. How about when he got benched, he didnt take responsibilty for his sh#tty play. And when Clemens first took over, Chad was standing on the sidelines by himself with his helmet in his hand and a football in the other while Clemens was operating the offense. Total d### move. Sit your a## on the bench, clown. Know your role. Chad just wants to start. He's not interested in being a backup. Like everything else, he cant realize what he is and cant do anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Oh, I dunno, lets see here. How about when he got benched, he didnt take responsibilty for his sh#tty play. And when Clemens first took over, Chad was standing on the sidelines by himself with his helmet in his hand and a football in the other while Clemens was operating the offense. Total d### move. Sit your a## on the bench, clown. Know your role. Chad just wants to start. He's not interested in being a backup. Like everything else, he cant realize what he is and cant do anymore. That is bullsh*t, Chad did not undermine Kellen, he was supportive no matter where he was on the sidelines, and I recall him owning up to not getting the job done too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 That is bullsh*t, Chad did not undermine Kellen, he was supportive no matter where he was on the sidelines, and I recall him owning up to not getting the job done too. Don't give up on us, Baby Don't make our love seem light The future isn't just one night It's written in the moonlight And painted on the stars We can't change ours Don't give up on us, Baby We're still worth one more try I know we put a last one by Just for a rainy evening When maybe stars are few Don't give up on us, I know We can still come through I really lost my head last night You've got a right to start believing There's still a little love left, even so Don't give up on us, Baby Lord knows we've come this far Can't we stay the way we are? The angel and the dreamer Who sometimes play a fool Don't give up on us, I know We can still come through I really lost my head last night You've got a right to stop believing There's still a little love left, even so Just for a rainy evening When maybe stars are few Don't give up on us, I know We can still come through Don't give up on us, Baby Don't give up on us, Baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Don't give up on us, Baby Don't make our love seem light The future isn't just one night It's written in the moonlight And painted on the stars We can't change ours Don't give up on us, Baby We're still worth one more try I know we put a last one by Just for a rainy evening When maybe stars are few Don't give up on us, I know We can still come through I really lost my head last night You've got a right to start believing There's still a little love left, even so Don't give up on us, Baby Lord knows we've come this far Can't we stay the way we are? The angel and the dreamer Who sometimes play a fool Don't give up on us, I know We can still come through I really lost my head last night You've got a right to stop believing There's still a little love left, even so Just for a rainy evening When maybe stars are few Don't give up on us, I know We can still come through Don't give up on us, Baby Don't give up on us, Baby Look I want Clemens to start, but he has to earn it in camp first, if he does not than he is worse than Chad not better, but I do not need to make a bunch of BS up to want Kellen to start either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 If Chad wants out it would be stupid of him to take a pay cut. Demand they pay him, trade him or cut him. Then he can package a pay cut with the trade he wants (like what Moss did) Or sit on the waivers until he gets an offer he likes and take a pay cut to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Give us more money baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 Oh, I dunno, lets see here. How about when he got benched, he didnt take responsibilty for his sh#tty play. And when Clemens first took over, Chad was standing on the sidelines by himself with his helmet in his hand and a football in the other while Clemens was operating the offense. Total d### move. Sit your a## on the bench, clown. Know your role. Chad just wants to start. He's not interested in being a backup. Like everything else, he cant realize what he is and cant do anymore. Wow. I can actually remember Chad going over plays with Kellen and others, he was very suppotive of him and still played the role of team leader despite being on the bench. Would you have preffered he done a LT and sat and sulked?? I know you have a hatred for the guy Barton, but give him a break FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcord1786 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 If Chad loses out in camp, he should be cut. No reason to have a potential distraction on your team at the QB position. Not to mention Chads already proven himself to be a massive vageen when benched. That's real smart. Cut the only veteran QB on the roster & have absolutley no QB depth behing Kellen. If You acutally think Chad would be a distraction, you haven't being paying attention that last few years, he is the ultimate team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 That's real smart. Cut the only veteran QB on the roster & have absolutley no QB depth behing Kellen. If You acutally think Chad would be a distraction, you haven't being paying attention that last few years, he is the ultimate team player. Irony alert. Where were you last year??? He's already proven himself TO BE a distraction, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Irony alert. Where were you last year??? He's already proven himself TO BE a distraction, not the other way around.He was not a distratcion, again there are plenty of legitamite reasons why you could want Clemens to start, there is no reason to make up sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 He was not a distratcion, again there are plenty of legitamite reasons why you could want Clemens to start, there is no reason to make up sh*t. Wake up and smell the coffee. There was a QB controversy every week last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 If Chad loses out in camp, he should be cut. No reason to have a potential distraction on your team at the QB position. Not to mention Chads already proven himself to be a massive vageen when benched. Bad idea, let's spend 80 million in free agency and have a rookie backing it all up. Pass. If Chad gets beat out he is the backup. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Bad idea, let's spend 80 million in free agency and have a rookie backing it all up. Pass. If Chad gets beat out he is the backup. End of story. Ok. But I dont want to hear anyone who wants Chad as a backup critizicing Mangini if the lockerroom splits in 2 and the media causes a QB controversy again. Not to mention signing a vet QB is a complete non issue. IMO, its too big of a risk to KEEP Chad on the roster. Its less of a risk to CUT him. You guys seriously cant see this coming? Wake up, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Irony alert. Where were you last year??? He's already proven himself TO BE a distraction, not the other way around. Wake up and smell the coffee. There was a QB controversy every week last season. I've been responding to you in the other thread, but I remember now that you are simply insane on the subject. There only QB controversy last year was on the boards. Mangini made his decision and stuck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 I've been responding to you in the other thread, but I remember now that you are simply insane on the subject. There only QB controversy last year was on the boards. Mangini made his decision and stuck with it. When the media asks you questions every week about who your starting QB will be this week, you have a QB controversy. Thats what we had last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 When the media asks you questions every week about who your starting QB will be this week, you have a QB controversy. Thats what we had last year.I'm sorry but the QB controversy was the least of the teams problems last year and both QB's stunk. Chad never became a distraction, perhaps you should WAKE UP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 When the media asks you questions every week about who your starting QB will be this week, you have a QB controversy. Thats what we had last year. What are you talking about. After KC was named the starter that was it, Mangini was never going to turn back to Chad unless KC got injured, which he did. The QB controversy started in week 4 and ended when Mangini made the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 You guys are either delusional, stupid or in denial. Yea, after Mangini named Clemens his starter, that was the end of it by the media! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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