Blackout Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 my fantasy team is EXTREMELY disapointed with Jon Lester...a 5.40 ERA is assinine. please refrain from calling WEEI and telling tales of him walking on water until his ERA is below 3.00 kthxbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Sox win. That's all that matters. He'll figure it out eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 He is not yet slaying the world, Mr. CC as you predicted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 He is not yet slaying the world, Mr. CC as you predicted He will be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 He will be alright. Exactly....he'll just get back to being the mediocre pitcher he always has been And I expect Wakefield to keep his Cy Young season going as well:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I was listening to Comcast Sports New England last night and it was said that Red Sox fans should not expect too much of Lester this year because he pitched "too much" last year.....that he carried the pitching staff last year, threw too many pitches/innings last season and now he's tired. They said to expect him to be put on the 15 day DL sometime this season to give him a break and call up Buckholtz. Explain this to me, please. Didn't he have all off season to rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I was listening to Comcast Sports New England last night and it was said that Red Sox fans should not expect too much of Lester this year because he pitched "too much" last year.....that he carried the pitching staff last year, threw too many pitches/innings last season and now he's tired. They said to expect him to be put on the 15 day DL sometime this season to give him a break and call up Buckholtz. Explain this to me, please. Didn't he have all off season to rest? Nolan Ryan should be a guy who has a tired arm. John Lester, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 He's not gonna make it to July, mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I was listening to Comcast Sports New England last night and it was said that Red Sox fans should not expect too much of Lester this year because he pitched "too much" last year.....that he carried the pitching staff last year, threw too many pitches/innings last season and now he's tired. They said to expect him to be put on the 15 day DL sometime this season to give him a break and call up Buckholtz. Explain this to me, please. Didn't he have all off season to rest? Some experts believe in the 40 inning rule, some say its the 30 inning rule. Either way the jist of it is that a young pitcher shouldn't pitch more then 30-40 innings more then he did the prior year. In 2008 Lester pitched 70+(i think) innings more then he did in 2007. He is the leagues highest violator of the 30 inning rule this year. Studies show that pitchers tend to break down the year after they violate the rule. Some believe in it, some don't. But that's the reason they talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 I was listening to Comcast Sports New England last night and it was said that Red Sox fans should not expect too much of Lester this year because he pitched "too much" last year.....that he carried the pitching staff last year, threw too many pitches/innings last season and now he's tired. They said to expect him to be put on the 15 day DL sometime this season to give him a break and call up Buckholtz. Explain this to me, please. Didn't he have all off season to rest? LOL yes, he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Some experts believe in the 40 inning rule, some say its the 30 inning rule. Either way the jist of it is that a young pitcher shouldn't pitch more then 30-40 innings more then he did the prior year. In 2008 Lester pitched 70+(i think) innings more then he did in 2007. He is the leagues highest violator of the 30 inning rule this year. Studies show that pitchers tend to break down the year after they violate the rule. Some believe in it, some don't. But that's the reason they talk about it. Tom Verducci has followed this for a few years now. And he's studied 20-something pitchers, and only 1-2 did as well as the previous year or didn't get injured... EDIT: Here's this year's article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/04/07/yearafter.effect/index.html How much should those guys be worried? Over the previous three years I red-flagged a total of 24 young pitchers at the start of those seasons. Of those 24 at-risk pitchers, 16 were hurt in that same season. Only one of the 24 pitchers managed to stay healthy and lower his ERA: Ubaldo Jimenez of Colorado, a guy I said would be less at risk because of his powerful body type. On his list this year? You guessed it: Lester. He pitched 83 1/3 more innings last year than his previous high. Also on are Cole Hamels, Lincecum, Chad Billingsley, Mike Pelfrey, Dana Eveland, Jon Danks, Clayton Kershaw, Jair Jurrjens, and Jon Niese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Tom Verducci has followed this for a few years now. And he's studied 20-something pitchers, and only 1-2 did as well as the previous year or didn't get injured... EDIT: Here's this year's article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/04/07/yearafter.effect/index.html On his list this year? You guessed it: Lester. He pitched 83 1/3 more innings last year than his previous high. Also on are Cole Hamels, Lincecum, Chad Billingsley, Mike Pelfrey, Dana Eveland, Jon Danks, Clayton Kershaw, Jair Jurrjens, and Jon Niese. All arms are not created equal. Nor all bodies. Just look at the base that a Billingsley pushes off with. He uses his lower body ala Tom Seaver. Every arm, every player will react differently. You can't put magic formulas to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I was listening to Comcast Sports New England last night and it was said that Red Sox fans should not expect too much of Lester this year because he pitched "too much" last year.....that he carried the pitching staff last year, threw too many pitches/innings last season and now he's tired. They said to expect him to be put on the 15 day DL sometime this season to give him a break and call up Buckholtz. Explain this to me, please. Didn't he have all off season to rest? Great point. They try to build the pitchers arm strength to the point it can pitch over 200 innings over a 6 month season without breaking down and needing surgery. From little league through college or low minors, they never pitch that many innings. I liken it to doing your normal workout routine and then increasing the workload 100+% without preparing your body for it. Some experts believe in the 40 inning rule, some say its the 30 inning rule. Either way the jist of it is that a young pitcher shouldn't pitch more then 30-40 innings more then he did the prior year. In 2008 Lester pitched 70+(i think) innings more then he did in 2007. He is the leagues highest violator of the 30 inning rule this year. Studies show that pitchers tend to break down the year after they violate the rule. Some believe in it, some don't. But that's the reason they talk about it. 70? I wish. He went from 71.2 to 237. The are expecting the same thing from Cole Hamels. Even the Rays saw increases in innings pitched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 BECKETT ALSO SUCKS HIS ERA IS 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Great point. They try to build the pitchers arm strength to the point it can pitch over 200 innings over a 6 month season without breaking down and needing surgery. From little league through college or low minors, they never pitch that many innings. I liken it to doing your normal workout routine and then increasing the workload 100+% without preparing your body for it. 70? I wish. He went from 71.2 to 237. The are expecting the same thing from Cole Hamels. Even the Rays saw increases in innings pitched. he threw 90.2 in the minors in 2007 also... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 All arms are not created equal. Nor all bodies. Just look at the base that a Billingsley pushes off with. He uses his lower body ala Tom Seaver. Every arm, every player will react differently. You can't put magic formulas to this. Agreed. I was just pointing out this research, although having a pretty small sample size, is at least something general to consider due to its profound rate of prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 6.51 ERA gave up 5 runs in 5.2 innings to the MARINERS today...yuck he's killing my fantasy team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CrazyCarl40 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 7 IP 2 hits 1 ER 2 BB 11 Ks tonight against Philly. Are you satisfied Blackout? He's been money the last few starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 7 IP 2 hits 1 ER 2 BB 11 Ks tonight against Philly. Are you satisfied Blackout? He's been money the last few starts. No. BO is doing his good luck dance for Burnett today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thai Jet Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 He's not gonna make it to July, mark my words. Wishful thinking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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