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#1 Integrity28

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:44 AM

#9 is worth 1350 on the value chart. (The #13 is worth 1150, I'd be down with trading that one instead.)

 

Minnesota and St. Louis have multiple first rounders. 

 

Minny with #23 (760) and #25 (720).

 

St. Louis with #16 (1000) and #22 (780).

 

 

I'd be happy with any combination of a 1st rounder, and the appropriate 2nd and 3rd round pick compensation from either team to load up on more picks. It's an imperative that we have a big draft, with as meek as our roster looks.

 

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Another scenario would be San Fran, who has the #31 (600), and in the second round #34 (560), #61 (292), and in the third #74 (220).

 

I could see us trading #9 for #31, 34 and 74, a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. 

 

That would make the Revis trade look like this:

 

Tampa gets Revis.

 

Jets move back 4 picks from #9 to #13, and add #31, #34, #74 this year, and the conditional 4th next year. That has some serious Hershel Walker gravitas to it.

 

If we traded SF the #13 instead, as has been talked about in another thread, then we get #31 and #34. We might have to kick them a 7th rounder to make up for the slight difference, but I doubt it.

 

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Use this tool to quickly see which teams have what picks, and their value.

 

http://www.drafttek....RequestTeam=min


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:46 AM

more is not necessarily better. if the jets are gonna find good players 9 and 13 are two good places to start looking. trading down for late 1/early 2 is fun on paper but they need top talent. Stick and pick. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:48 AM

Everything I've been hearing and reading lately is that his is going to be an interesting draft with a lot of movement.  Hand full of teams looking to move up, hand full looking to move down.  Definitely think that Idzik should be looking to acquire more picks.  Hopefully, that's the case and they find a suitor.  


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:54 AM

more is not necessarily better. if the jets are gonna find good players 9 and 13 are two good places to start looking. trading down for late 1/early 2 is fun on paper but they need top talent. Stick and pick. 

Agreed. We need to get better and I would rather get 2 or 3 impact players than a bunch of roster filler. Miami is better, New England is better, and believe it or not, Buffalo will compete.  We have to take the best available players


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:56 AM

It's a move you make while you're on the clock. I'd imagine they have a couple names they think are well worth the #9, and if they drop, the Jets will pounce. If not, then I expect they'll do everything they can to move down. The Jets have way too many holes to not be looking to acquire more picks. 

 

Have to believe the Jets would like to position themselves to get an extra 1st or 2nd next year, too. Especially if they're eyeing the 2014 QBs. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:05 AM

I agree with the thread starting monkey!


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:12 AM

+1 to this! 

 

strength of this draft is rounds 2-3, I really hope we can move down from either 9 or 13 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:31 AM

more is not necessarily better. if the jets are gonna find good players 9 and 13 are two good places to start looking. trading down for late 1/early 2 is fun on paper but they need top talent. Stick and pick. 

 

I don't need this pointed out. It's a given.

 

However, because we have exorbitant team needs at positions that don't typically get drafted in the top of the 1st round, I feel that the trade down is relevant for us, and still enables us to accomplish the goal of drafting impact players.

 

We move back and we can essentially draft an OLB at #13, which is where an OLB should be drafted. High. But then we can address OG and TE, or WR with the late 1st rounders.

 

Let's  play it out, assuming we trade the #13 to SF.

 

#9 - Cooper

#31 (from SF) - DJ Hayden or Justin Hunter

#34 (from SF) - Zach Ertz 

#39 - Margus Hunt 

 

I don't have deep knowledge of scouting and what-not, but I'd be happier with a draft sorta like this ^^^ in the first 2 rounds.

 

I think by forfeiting a pick that might be spent on maybe Mingo, we allow gain the picks to take Hayden and Ertz, or other players that have starting potential and should matriculate successfully, and still have the flexibility to take a guy like Hunt.

 

I dunno, I'm just a fan, but it seems logical to me that because we have needs at positions that don't traditionally get drafted early, we can trade a high-pick and still get equal caliber prospects at positions that just get drafted later. My examples above may not be the best at illustrating this, but I'd stand by my logic.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:32 AM

more is not necessarily better. if the jets are gonna find good players 9 and 13 are two good places to start looking. trading down for late 1/early 2 is fun on paper but they need top talent. Stick and pick. 

I absolutely agree. I'd love Jones and Austin. An impact player for each side of the ball.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:34 AM

Agreed. We need to get better and I would rather get 2 or 3 impact players than a bunch of roster filler. Miami is better, New England is better, and believe it or not, Buffalo will compete.  We have to take the best available players

 

 

LOL, so moving from the 13th overall pick to the 31st and 34th = forfeiting an impact player for filler? LMFAO

 

Zach Ertz could make an IMMEDIATE impact on this team, but you don't draft him at #13. You do at #34 though. Some positions grade out just as well, if not better, than the top 15 guys, but because of the position they play, or the quality available at that position in this year's draft, they can be drafted later in the draft. 

 

I dunno... I think my logic is on point. Certainly not an advocation of "roster filler". Pfft... 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:36 AM

I absolutely agree. I'd love Jones and Austin. An impact player for each side of the ball.

 

 

I'd love Jones, Ertz and Hunter more. We need offensive playmakers, I agree, but we need more than just one. :)


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:58 AM

I'd love Jones, Ertz and Hunter more. We need offensive playmakers, I agree, but we need more than just one. :)

Please don't try to get between me and my man crush on Tavon Austin.

 

Can I interest you in a Jones, Austin, Escobar/Kelce?

 

I think I'm still not over desperately wanting Percy Harvin and not getting him, I hope you understand


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:00 AM

If they are gonna go skilled position, trade down w both please.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:07 AM

That would make the Revis trade look like this:

 

Tampa gets Revis.

 

Jets move back 4 picks from #9 to #13, and add #31, #34, #74 this year, and the conditional 4th next year. That has some serious Hershel Walker  gravitas to it.

 

Hershel Walker gravitas? Are you serious? Cowboys received THREE 1st rounders, THREE 2nd rounders, a 3rd rounder, and a 6th rounder along with FIVE players. And the 13th pick that is compensation for Revis, is still there in your scenario, so in theory, Jets gave away Revis for a 1st and a 3rd, just like how it actually happened. Hershel Walker trade was the biggest robbery in the history of the NFL and one can contend we (Jets) didn't even get full value for Revis.

 

But I do agree, we need to trade down. a few spots, not 20+ spots. This draft will run out of first round grade players around the 20th pick.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:09 AM

more is not necessarily better. if the jets are gonna find good players 9 and 13 are two good places to start looking. trading down for late 1/early 2 is fun on paper but they need top talent. Stick and pick. 

 

I agree with your theory there. However, Im ok if Jets trade their 13th pick, move with in 10 spots, and pick an early 2nd day pick. We need talent, thats for sure. But we also need a lot of talent


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:12 AM

I don't need this pointed out. It's a given.

 

However, because we have exorbitant team needs at positions that don't typically get drafted in the top of the 1st round, I feel that the trade down is relevant for us, and still enables us to accomplish the goal of drafting impact players.

 

We move back and we can essentially draft an OLB at #13, which is where an OLB should be drafted. High. But then we can address OG and TE, or WR with the late 1st rounders.

 

Let's  play it out, assuming we trade the #13 to SF.

 

#9 - Cooper

#31 (from SF) - DJ Hayden or Justin Hunter

#34 (from SF) - Zach Ertz 

#39 - Margus Hunt 

 

I don't have deep knowledge of scouting and what-not, but I'd be happier with a draft sorta like this ^^^ in the first 2 rounds.

 

I think by forfeiting a pick that might be spent on maybe Mingo, we allow gain the picks to take Hayden and Ertz, or other players that have starting potential and should matriculate successfully, and still have the flexibility to take a guy like Hunt.

 

I dunno, I'm just a fan, but it seems logical to me that because we have needs at positions that don't traditionally get drafted early, we can trade a high-pick and still get equal caliber prospects at positions that just get drafted later. My examples above may not be the best at illustrating this, but I'd stand by my logic.

Agree with your logic, but then you go guard at 9?

 

9---Trade

 

13---  Jarvis Jones

 

Guard can come late first, early second.

 

Love Hunt but I think his workout puts him late first


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:18 AM

Please don't try to get between me and my man crush on Tavon Austin.

 

Can I interest you in a Jones, Austin, Escobar/Kelce?

 

I think I'm still not over desperately wanting Percy Harvin and not getting him, I hope you understand

 

 

LOL, I feel your pain.

 

And no, I want the addition early 2nd rounder. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:22 AM

Hershel Walker gravitas? Are you serious? Cowboys received THREE 1st rounders, THREE 2nd rounders, a 3rd rounder, and a 6th rounder along with FIVE players. And the 13th pick that is compensation for Revis, is still there in your scenario, so in theory, Jets gave away Revis for a 1st and a 3rd, just like how it actually happened. Hershel Walker trade was the biggest robbery in the history of the NFL and one can contend we (Jets) didn't even get full value for Revis.

 

But I do agree, we need to trade down. a few spots, not 20+ spots. This draft will run out of first round grade players around the 20th pick.

 

Yeah, I know what the Cowboys received. I didn't say "get exactly what the Cowboys got for Hershel Walker" did I? I said Hershel Walker gravitas, meaning trading away one player to rebuild your team in a single off-season. You are reading WAY too into the "gravitas" line... LOL, nothing like that trade will ever happen again. I mentioned it more in terms of the rebuild by trading away your best player strategy.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:24 AM

Agree with your logic, but then you go guard at 9?

 

9---Trade

 

13---  Jarvis Jones

 

Guard can come late first, early second.

 

Love Hunt but I think his workout puts him late first

 

 

Did I not say I don't know what I'm doing with the picks? Who I said we'd take doesn't matter as much as the logic, and the pure truth that we can get top-grade players at low-demand positions later in the first. 

 

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:04 PM

I don't need this pointed out. It's a given.
 
However, because we have exorbitant team needs at positions that don't typically get drafted in the top of the 1st round, I feel that the trade down is relevant for us, and still enables us to accomplish the goal of drafting impact players.
 
We move back and we can essentially draft an OLB at #13, which is where an OLB should be drafted. High. But then we can address OG and TE, or WR with the late 1st rounders.
 
Let's  play it out, assuming we trade the #13 to SF.
 
#9 - Cooper
#31 (from SF) - DJ Hayden or Justin Hunter
#34 (from SF) - Zach Ertz 
#39 - Margus Hunt 
 
I don't have deep knowledge of scouting and what-not, but I'd be happier with a draft sorta like this ^^^ in the first 2 rounds.
 
I think by forfeiting a pick that might be spent on maybe Mingo, we allow gain the picks to take Hayden and Ertz, or other players that have starting potential and should matriculate successfully, and still have the flexibility to take a guy like Hunt.
 
I dunno, I'm just a fan, but it seems logical to me that because we have needs at positions that don't traditionally get drafted early, we can trade a high-pick and still get equal caliber prospects at positions that just get drafted later. My examples above may not be the best at illustrating this, but I'd stand by my logic.

That would be a hell of a draft. Love it.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:13 PM

The problem with this is that everyone wants to trade back and they won't all be able to.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:56 PM

LOL, so moving from the 13th overall pick to the 31st and 34th = forfeiting an impact player for filler? LMFAO

 

Zach Ertz could make an IMMEDIATE impact on this team, but you don't draft him at #13. You do at #34 though. Some positions grade out just as well, if not better, than the top 15 guys, but because of the position they play, or the quality available at that position in this year's draft, they can be drafted later in the draft. 

 

I dunno... I think my logic is on point. Certainly not an advocation of "roster filler". Pfft... 

Uh....yes that is what I am saying we need IMPACT PLAYERS!!!!!  There is a big difference between those picks and please keep in mind SF has 13 picks 1. They don't have enough roster space for all those rookies so they will have to trade some away 2. They are a team that wants to win NOW and are built to do so they will do anything to trade up for the best available player (Tavon Austin @ #9 or #13 and guess who has that pick at your precious #31....you guessed it SF.  Therefore, let's not trade down for quantity this team is not a one year fix.  Well have many holes yes, but we have to fill them with players that are ball players.  Look at every playoff team this past year they ALL have impact players we don't have that nor speed on our team


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:05 PM

LOL, so moving from the 13th overall pick to the 31st and 34th = forfeiting an impact player for filler? LMFAO

 

Zach Ertz could make an IMMEDIATE impact on this team, but you don't draft him at #13. You do at #34 though. Some positions grade out just as well, if not better, than the top 15 guys, but because of the position they play, or the quality available at that position in this year's draft, they can be drafted later in the draft. 

 

I dunno... I think my logic is on point. Certainly not an advocation of "roster filler". Pfft... 

Also, please keep in mind that 3 teams in this years draft have 2 first round picks Rams, Vikings, and Jets and SF with their 13 picks will bridge an even larger gap in players from the #13 pick to the #31 and #34 the Rams want a WR so bad they would make a deal with the devil and the Vikings just dealt Percy Harvin so they too want to trade up. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:11 PM

Uh....yes that is what I am saying we need IMPACT PLAYERS!!!!!  There is a big difference between those picks and please keep in mind SF has 13 picks 1. They don't have enough roster space for all those rookies so they will have to trade some away 2. They are a team that wants to win NOW and are built to do so they will do anything to trade up for the best available player (Tavon Austin @ #9 or #13 and guess who has that pick at your precious #31....you guessed it SF.  Therefore, let's not trade down for quantity this team is not a one year fix.  Well have many holes yes, but we have to fill them with players that are ball players.  Look at every playoff team this past year they ALL have impact players we don't have that nor speed on our team

 

Ugh.

 

When you are a team with 7-8 positions of immediate need, and the draft is not regarded as front-heavy, it's fine to trade back.

 

We need a TE just as bad as we need an OLB. At #9 we are likely to get our #2 or #3 ranked OLB, on our draft board. At #31 we could conceivably get our #3 CB, our #2 TE, our #2 WR. 

 

I'm not advocating trading back to NOT get impact players. Impact players can be had all over the draft. What I am advocating is that we identify the spots in the draft where we can get highly-ranked players at positions we need to address. The front of the draft is where you want to pick if you need a LT, DE or some blue-chip skill player. There aren't really any of the latter in this draft.

 

We can stay put, and we can get 2 players that address our needs. Austin and Mingo perhaps.

 

Or we can trade one of those picks, get Austin, Ertz and Margus Hunt, or something like that. The dropoff from Mingo to Hunt is minimal, imo, when you consider it nets us Ertz. 

 

The reality is, there are no elite players in this draft. So... being a team that has gross needs, we should be looking to trade one of our selections to a contender that is looking for that "one piece" where it's worth the early pick for them... while we focus on adding starters at positions that are not projected to be drafted early this year.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:12 PM

Also, please keep in mind that 3 teams in this years draft have 2 first round picks Rams, Vikings, and Jets and SF with their 13 picks will bridge an even larger gap in players from the #13 pick to the #31 and #34 the Rams want a WR so bad they would make a deal with the devil and the Vikings just dealt Percy Harvin so they too want to trade up. 

 

Now, I have no clue what point you are trying to make - you started out challenging my suggestion, this reads more like you support it. 

 

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