Should The Jets Just Tank 2013 For Higher 2014 Draft Picks?

[Scott Dierking]

True that.  Dude is an awesome head coach.  One of the best in the leagues.  Us Jets fans are lucky to have him.

The Jets will have him for one more year. Then they can move forward properly.

[SenorGato]

Rex has been here for a year? Where do you buy your weed?

 

 

Ooph on the opener already. So you approve of the Jets' routine of hiring and firing every few years until Magic happens? Why is it that smart teams don't seem to practice something similar? 

 

Herp? Derp?

 

 

A quality dodge on JN. So, what other mystical beings are required for the Jets to win? They wouldn't have been a significantly better team in 2011 and 2012 with average QB play? 

 

Woody kept your boy--the shoulda-been-aborted-fetus--Brian Schottenheimer here to avoid burning a million dollars. There's almost no plus-value to bringing in a new coach and saddling him with a bad roster. I realize that many of them have good 40 times, and some have even been known to pwn an occasional cone drill (both Gato standards of excellence) but it's a bad roster relative to the rest of the league. Could Peyton Manning get this team to 9-7? Probably. But Peyton Manning isn't here.

 

 

Unless you heard this personally from Mr. Johnson, I'll call bullsh*t. The guess that makes sense is that Schottenheimer helped drag sh*tdick to two straight playoff appearances, guided him through both of them against some very quality opponents, and remained highly thought of in the world outside of our analysts within the fanbase. There is no plus value to keeping a coach to humiliate him for a year under a new GM. There is absolutely nothing to gain. Peyton Manning would prooobably have this team in the elites right now. 

 

Nobody builds rosters anymore. They just slap players together regardless of age, talent, or price, with no coherent plan or coordination, and hope a championship magically appears at some point. And this is how you've won your last 26 Madden Super Bowls.

 

 

 

T0m, "hire the hot coordinator after humiliating the current HC for a year just for the hell of it" is not a plan. I know in your head it sounds AMAZING, even culture altering, but it's hardly what any rational person without any kind of nonsense agenda (we get it - every coach that fails to win a Super Bowl is an idiot) would call a plan. Both sides are hoping for a championship to magically appear, lets not pretend you are not, and the Jets have tried the "hey he hasn't done it quick enough so lets try someone else" route at least a half dozen times just in the past 20 years. You're not the light at the end of the tunnel, your plan is the same plan this dumbass organization runs to every single time, and it's *never* worked. 

 

Eric Smith is an "NFL caliber player."

 

Yes, he is. As is his equivalent on EVERY roster on every Super Bowl team in history. Are Omar Brown or Sean Considine any better? What are their magic abilities that make them more worthy? Hell, what is Bernard Pollard good at besides maybe some run support and QB injuries? The 3rd or 4th safety is the issue here, REALLY? Fuuuuuuuck oooooooff with that. 

[unbanmadmike1]

True that.  Dude is an awesome head coach.  One of the best in the leagues.  Us Jets fans are lucky to have him.

This is trolling right?

[T0mShane]

Ooph on the opener already. So you approve of the Jets' routine of hiring and firing every few years until Magic happens? Why is it that smart teams don't seem to practice something similar?

Firing a coach every four years isn't a philosophy, it's a practicality that comes about when you determine that your coach stinks. Rex has now lost the team at the end of seasons two years in a row and you're advocating giving him a job in perpetuity? I'm assuming Cowher's glorious reign in Pittsburgh is your ideal of how an organization should be run? Rex is on his third offensive coordinator in five years. Rex's right-hand man at DC just ran screaming from the building. As bad as Sanchez sucked, Rex allowed him to suckle at his teet the past two years, so it's hard to say he was victimized by the eeeeeeeeeeevil Marky.

A quality dodge on JN. So, what other mystical beings are required for the Jets to win? They wouldn't have been a significantly better team in 2011 and 2012 with average QB play?

Significantly? Would Stephen Hill and Chas Schilens and Clyde Gates abd the rugby player become All-Pros because David Garrard? The talent stinks on offense and it's overrated on defense. They were non-competitive against the non-Arizonas of the world last season.

Unless you heard this personally from Mr. Johnson, I'll call bullsh*t. The guess that makes sense is that Schottenheimer helped drag sh*tdick to two straight playoff appearances, guided him through both of them against some very quality opponents, and remained highly thought of in the world outside of our analysts within the fanbase.

Yes. Schottenheimer was kept around on merit. That's plausible. Herm Edwards got the KC job before he quit the Jets job. Was he "highly thought of" as well?

There is no plus value to keeping a coach to humiliate him for a year under a new GM. There is absolutely nothing to gain. Peyton Manning would prooobably have this team in the elites right now.

Peyton Manning wanted zerooooooooooo to do with this organization, this coach, and this roster. Peyton Manning didn't think Peyton Manning could make this team elite.

T0m, "hire the hot coordinator after humiliating the current HC for a year just for the hell of it" is not a plan. I know in your head it sounds AMAZING, even culture altering, but it's hardly what any rational person without any kind of nonsense agenda (we get it - every coach that fails to win a Super Bowl is an idiot) would call a plan. Both sides are hoping for a championship to magically appear, lets not pretend you are not, and the Jets have tried the "hey he hasn't done it quick enough so lets try someone else" route at least a half dozen times just in the past 20 years. You're not the light at the end of the tunnel, your plan is the same plan this dumbass organization runs to every single time, and it's *never* worked.

This argument would work better if any of the superb coaches the Jets "gave up on" in the last twenty years went on to do something anywhere else. Mangini went on to ruin Cleveland. Herm drove KC into the ground. Al Groh got fired from Virginia. Belichick quit. Parcells quit. Kotite lol. Joe Walton lol. The Jets fire coaches because they suck as an organization. Giving Herm or Mangini or Al Groh a decade to coach here wouldn't make them better coaches. They're all out of the league for a reason. Maybe Idzik changes all of this.

Yes, he is. As is his equivalent on EVERY roster on every Super Bowl team in history. Are Omar Brown or Sean Considine any better? What are their magic abilities that make them more worthy? Hell, what is Bernard Pollard good at besides maybe some run support and QB injuries? The 3rd or 4th safety is the issue here, REALLY? Fuuuuuuuck oooooooff with that.

I have zero idea how this results in any defense of the state of the Jets roster. They simply do not have enough quality players.

[SenorGato]

Firing a coach every four years isn't a philosophy, it's a practicality that comes about when you determine that your coach stinks. Rex has now lost the team at the end of seasons two years in a row and you're advocating giving him a job in perpetuity? I'm assuming Cowher's glorious reign in Pittsburgh is your ideal of how an organization should be run? Rex is on his third offensive coordinator in five years. Rex's right-hand man at DC just ran screaming from the building. As bad as Sanchez sucked, Rex allowed him to suckle at his teet the past two years, so it's hard to say he was victimized by the eeeeeeeeeeevil Marky.

 

 

I don't believe he's lost the team at all. I believe the QB sucks. I believe that swapping out Sanchez for Tebow or McElroy does not gain anything, though I guess there's some possibility with Tebow.

 

 

Significantly? Would Stephen Hill and Chas Schilens and Clyde Gates abd the rugby player become All-Pros because David Garrard? The talent stinks on offense and it's overrated on defense. They were non-competitive against the non-Arizonas of the world last season.

 

Yes. I know you're just a high standards kind of guy, but Clyde Gates, Chaz Schilens, and Stephen Hill don't have to be All Pros. That isn't the standard. The QB of the offense stinks, and retards (at best) the entire operation. They were competitive in all but two games (49ers and 2nd Pats) last year, and luckily the NFL is FULL of Arizonas. 

 

Yes. Schottenheimer was kept around on merit. That's plausible. Herm Edwards got the KC job before he quit the Jets job. Was he "highly thought of" as well?

 

It's entirely within the realm of possibilities that Edwards was once highly thought of as well. You can't work off the premise that you're smarter than everyone and calling it like it is if everyone is caught up to you at the time. 

 

Peyton Manning wanted zerooooooooooo to do with this organization, this coach, and this roster. Peyton Manning didn't think Peyton Manning could make this team elite.

 

You sure have alot of insider info. You could make a ton of money reporting all these secrets and insider opinions you seem to get your hands on. 
 

This argument would work better if any of the superb coaches the Jets "gave up on" in the last twenty years went on to do something anywhere else. Mangini went on to ruin Cleveland. Herm drove KC into the ground. Al Groh got fired from Virginia. Belichick quit. Parcells quit. Kotite lol. Joe Walton lol. The Jets fire coaches because they suck as an organization. Giving Herm or Mangini or Al Groh a decade to coach here wouldn't make them better coaches. They're all out of the league for a reason. Maybe Idzik changes all of this.

 

So keep it up! SCIENCE. 
 

I have zero idea how this results in any defense of the state of the Jets roster. They simply do not have enough quality players.

 

You have a highly delusional mental image of the kind of rosters teams have won Super Bowls with. The Packers and Ravens and everyone else aren't winning because they have the best third safeties in the league. 

[T0mShane]

This is just your Schottenheimer argument rehashed. Nothing bad is the coach's fault because coaches don't really do anything, but he's a great coach because at some arbitrary point in the past something good happened when that coach was on the payroll.

[SenorGato]

This is just your Schottenheimer argument rehashed. Nothing bad is the coach's fault because coaches don't really do anything, but he's a great coach because at some arbitrary point in the past something good happened when that coach was on the payroll.

 

You realize you've just picked the most recent arbitrary point in time, right? This guy pretty much locks this team into having one of the better to simply the best Ds in the league right? That his pass D, without one of the best pass and general defenders in the league, finished in the top tier anyway? That the D as a whole finished in the top 10 with just a bunch of scrubs? That his team was making deep playoff runs without ever getting better than the 22nd best passer in the league on offense?  These don't matter because the most recent arbitrary point in the past is now the definitive point? 

[T0mShane]

You realize you've just picked the most recent arbitrary point in time, right? This guy pretty much locks this team into having one of the better to simply the best Ds in the league right? That his pass D, without one of the best pass and general defenders in the league, finished in the top tier anyway? That the D as a whole finished in the top 10 with just a bunch of scrubs? That his team was making deep playoff runs without ever getting better than the 22nd best passer in the league on offense? These don't matter because the most recent arbitrary point in the past is now the definitive point?

I'm looking at the trend, skipper. Nice first year, great second year, brutal third year, humiliating fourth year, going into his fifth year with the worst roster he'll have since he's been here.

Pray tell, sir: how long should Rex get, especially--as you've pointed out--there are no viable stud QBs to be had this year or next, so that will still be an excuse for him until 2017(?). He's just not that good of a head coach. It's nice to roll out defenses that will put up numbers (against Ryan Lindley cough), but he's in charge of a team in rapid decline. He's not going to survive, nor should he.

[T0mShane]

Also, he doesn't get to survive on the Sanchez Excuse. Rex drafted him, Rex plays him, Rex refused to bench him. It's also Rex's fault there wasn't a better backup behind Sanchez, so he doesn't get the McElroy Excuse either.

[Bugg]

You realize you've just picked the most recent arbitrary point in time, right? This guy pretty much locks this team into having one of the better to simply the best Ds in the league right? That his pass D, without one of the best pass and general defenders in the league, finished in the top tier anyway? That the D as a whole finished in the top 10 with just a bunch of scrubs? That his team was making deep playoff runs without ever getting better than the 22nd best passer in the league on offense?  These don't matter because the most recent arbitrary point in the past is now the definitive point? 

The defense finished in the top 10 (or some such nonsense) because there was no reason to take risks since the Jets' offense was historically awful. Kinda like slutty high school girls being popular with the fellas. So you wish to give Wrecks credit for a piddling defense no one bothered to challenge but cut him slack for a crappy offense that made the former possible.

 

Keeps coming back to the central problem; Wrecks like his dad really believes in some kind of 1970s 3 yards and a cloud of dust tough guy defensvie football which under these rules isn't merely fighting the tide but totally stupid,; he's an 8 track guy in an ipod world. Further on the occasions it mattered Daddy's 46 defense in the varations run by Wrecks and the Wolfman break sooner rather than later. They've been figured out. it's nothing special, and if your offense cannot score 3 or 4 TDs it's irrelevant, a kid's parlor trick.

[TechJet]

The board has seen some unusual posts and arguments lately.  A fair percentage of the members actually argue against improving the team as much as we can for this year, sayng that at best we can end up in the middle of the pack and thereby cheat ourselves out of the best players in the 2014 draft.

 

Other members disagree, saying you should always try to improve what you can, win as much as you can and let the chips fall where they may in the draft.

 

The same argument appears over and over in various threads-it seems a lot of threads come down to those competing philosophies.

 

So let's get it out in the open.  Do we try the best for this year, or do we just let 2013 pass into history and come back with a big rebuild in 2014?

YES!

[SenorGato]

The defense finished in the top 10 (or some such nonsense) because there was no reason to take risks since the Jets' offense was historically awful. Kinda like slutty high school girls being popular with the fellas. So you wish to give Wrecks credit for a piddling defense no one bothered to challenge but cut him slack for a crappy offense that made the former possible.

 

Hey, there's a shocker. All the bad totally counts, but there's reasons any good occurred and all those reasons are bad for Ryan.

 

I came up with Wrecks. You're welcome. 

 

 

Also, he doesn't get to survive on the Sanchez Excuse. Rex drafted him, Rex plays him, Rex refused to bench him. It's also Rex's fault there wasn't a better backup behind Sanchez, so he doesn't get the McElroy Excuse either

 

Now he's GM Rex? What role didn't this guy play? Maybe Sanchez, Ryan, Tannenbaum, and Johnson are one and the same. 

[Bugg]

Hey, there's a shocker. All the bad totally counts, but there's reasons any good occurred and all those reasons are bad for Ryan.

 

I came up with Wrecks. You're welcome. 

 

 

 

Now he's GM Rex? What role didn't this guy play? Maybe Sanchez, Ryan, Tannenbaum, and Johnson are one and the same. 

Wrecks Ryan, repeatedly, in the face of logic, common sense and basic human observation-

 

"MARK SANCHEZ GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN".

[#27TheDominator]

Wrecks Ryan, repeatedly, in the face of logic, common sense and basic human observation-

 

"MARK SANCHEZ GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN".

 

 

He did.  You keep spouting this, but have you seen those other two ****ers? I have no doubt that Sanchez was our best chance at a super bowl which is all you ****s ever whine about. 

[T0mShane]

He did. You keep spouting this, but have you seen those other two ****ers? I have no doubt that Sanchez was our best chance at a super bowl which is all you ****s ever whine about.

1. It's impossible to play the position worse than Mark did.

2. Rex drafted him.

3. Rex put McElroy on the roster.

It was a bed of his own making.

[JustInFudge]

You realize you've just picked the most recent arbitrary point in time, right? This guy pretty much locks this team into having one of the better to simply the best Ds in the league right? That his pass D, without one of the best pass and general defenders in the league, finished in the top tier anyway? That the D as a whole finished in the top 10 with just a bunch of scrubs? That his team was making deep playoff runs without ever getting better than the 22nd best passer in the league on offense?  These don't matter because the most recent arbitrary point in the past is now the definitive point? 

 

Good post.  Guy does more with less than anyone in the league.  Hands down.  He's a great HC.  

 

Its probably not important to point out that under Rex Ryan, the Jets at one point had the top rushing game in the league despite having the worst QB in the league and a 30+ year old JAG at RB.  I know that offense is all about passing now, but interestingly enough, rushing the Football is still considered part of the offensive strategy.  We all know that anything good that has happened wasnt Rex's doing so this point is probably moot but still figured I'd just say it out loud in case someone is listening.

[Bugg]

1. It's impossible to play the position worse than Mark did.

2. Rex drafted him.

3. Rex put McElroy on the roster.

It was a bed of his own making.

Could've demanded they keep Stanton or get another real backup instead of the tebow mess. And spent all trainin g camp extolling the virtues of Tebow and the wahtevercat; all bullsheet. . And this after having Brunnell take up space for 2 years. Basically akin to allowing  Wrecks to complain about being an orphan after wasting Mom and Dad.This was all his own making, his total indifference to the offense and his love of his defense. IT'S CRAP. He shouldn't ever be a head coach and he probably won't be by January.  

[Bugg]

Good post.  Guy does more with less than anyone in the league.  Hands down.  He's a great HC.  

 

Its probably not important to point out that under Rex Ryan, the Jets at one point had the top rushing game in the league despite having the worst QB in the league and a 30+ year old JAG at RB.  I know that offense is all about passing now, but interestingly enough, rushing the Football is still considered part of the offensive strategy.  We all know that anything good that has happened wasnt Rex's doing so this point is probably moot but still figured I'd just say it out loud in case someone is listening.

Simply not being able to pass effectively means you lose. Everything else is details. But to the Ryans it will always be the 1985 Bears. Do we get a trophy for wonderful defense? When's the parade for that?

[SenorGato]

Wrecks Ryan, repeatedly, in the face of logic, common sense and basic human observation-

"MARK SANCHEZ GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN".

Given full context, like the rest of the Jets, this is a perfectly true statement unless you buy into McElroy or Tebow.

[SenorGato]

Simply not being able to pass effectively means you lose. Everything else is details. But to the Ryans it will always be the 1985 Bears. Do we get a trophy for wonderful defense? When's the parade for that?

The Jets drafted a QB in the top five, gave him a good OL, spent multiple picks on Weaponz, and he actually got worse after his second year. I know Rex is supposed to use Coaching and it's pixie dust effects to fix that, but perhaps at some point you should consider the player/roster in your um...analysis.

[JustInFudge]

Simply not being able to pass effectively means you lose. Everything else is details. But to the Ryans it will always be the 1985 Bears. Do we get a trophy for wonderful defense? When's the parade for that?

Well, the Jets werent able to pass his first 2 years and they won, so, kudos to Rex Ryan for defying the odds. That being said, yeah, you cant win with a Qb as bad as Mark Sanchez, yet Rex has only had one losing season, so kudos to Rex Ryan for defying the odds, again.

Man, the more you guys talk the more I realize how fortunate we are to have a HC as great as Rex Ryan.

Has Rex told you specifically that its all about the 85 Bears? If so, why did he (because Tanny wasnt responsible for anything) move up to draft a QB and then trade for 2 WR's, and spend numerous draft picks on offense and numerous FA's on offense? You'd think it would just be defense defense defense. Thats strange personnel decisions for someone thats all about Defense.

[SenorGato]

Good post. Guy does more with less than anyone in the league. Hands down. He's a great HC.

Its probably not important to point out that under Rex Ryan, the Jets at one point had the top rushing game in the league despite having the worst QB in the league and a 30+ year old JAG at RB. I know that offense is all about passing now, but interestingly enough, rushing the Football is still considered part of the offensive strategy. We all know that anything good that has happened wasnt Rex's doing so this point is probably moot but still figured I'd just say it out loud in case someone is listening.

He and the OC just tailored the offense to its strength - a running game. Since it only ALMOST worked twice it doesn't count. What doesn't/didn't work fully counts against him and everyone in the vicinity.

[T0mShane]

Well, the Jets werent able to pass his first 2 years and they won, so, kudos to Rex Ryan for defying the odds. That being said, yeah, you cant win with a Qb as bad as Mark Sanchez, yet Rex has only had one losing season, so kudos to Rex Ryan for defying the odds, again.

Man, the more you guys talk the more I realize how fortunate we are to have a HC as great as Rex Ryan.

Has Rex told you specifically that its all about the 85 Bears? If so, why did he (because Tanny wasnt responsible for anything) move up to draft a QB and then trade for 2 WR's, and spend numerous draft picks on offense and numerous FA's on offense? You'd think it would just be defense defense defense. Thats strange personnel decisions for someone thats all about Defense.

How awesome was it watching Smexy make the Pro Bowl?

[JustInFudge]

He and the OC just tailored the offense to its strength - a running game. Since it only ALMOST worked twice it doesn't count. What doesn't/didn't work fully counts against him and everyone in the vicinity.

 

Gotcha.  You're much better at this than I am.

 

Thanks for clearing that up!

[T0mShane]

He and the OC just tailored the offense to its strength - a running game. Since it only ALMOST worked twice it doesn't count. What doesn't/didn't work fully counts against him and everyone in the vicinity.

You never answered the question: how long does Rex get?

[JustInFudge]

How awesome was it watching Smexy make the Pro Bowl?

 

I dont watch the pro-bowl. 

[T0mShane]

I dont watch the pro-bowl.

How great is Santonio Holmes?

[JustInFudge]

How great is Santonio Holmes?

 

When healthy?  SUPER GREAT!!!!!

[#27TheDominator]

You never answered the question: how long does Rex get?

 

 

That's an easy one.  The answer is "depends."  The problem is that you and Dierking and Bugg think he is just a sacrificial lamb this year which is stupid.  The keys will be how well he works with Idzik, if he adapts to the new style and if the players buy-in and work with him. It's possible that will not add up to many wins because we have a black hole at QB led by a lame duck, but I don't think it will be hard for an impartial observer to tell.  Haven't seen many of those around here though.

[unbanmadmike1]

That's an easy one. The answer is "depends." The problem is that you and Dierking and Bugg think he is just a sacrificial lamb this year which is stupid. The keys will be how well he works with Idzik, if he adapts to the new style and if the players buy-in and work with him. It's possible that will not add up to many wins because we have a black hole at QB led by a lame duck, but I don't think it will be hard for an impartial observer to tell. Haven't seen many of those around here though.

Do you really think they are going to bring Rex back after the team is bad next year like everyone thinks it will be? He's pretty much set up to fail.

[T0mShane]

That's an easy one. The answer is "depends." The problem is that you and Dierking and Bugg think he is just a sacrificial lamb this year which is stupid. The keys will be how well he works with Idzik, if he adapts to the new style and if the players buy-in and work with him. It's possible that will not add up to many wins because we have a black hole at QB led by a lame duck, but I don't think it will be hard for an impartial observer to tell. Haven't seen many of those around here though.

Adapts to what new style? And if the players--who tuned him out the last two years--all-of-a-sudden buy in to...what?

Personally, I'm rooting for Rex to be fired. I think he's a dolt and a coward with a big mouth who gets knocked down and stays down. The finger-pointing on this team hasn't been this bad since Kotite, and that goes back to the leadership void.

How-evah

Objectively, everyone in the media thinks this is Rex's last year because he's got no players left to carry him to a successful season. He's not surviving 6-10. No young GM is tying their cart to a failed coach who they didn't hire in the first place. This will be like Chicago last year--the new GM let Lovie Smith have one more year, then sacked him, except Lovie Smith is a better coach than Rex.

[#27TheDominator]

Do you really think they are going to bring Rex back after the team is bad next year like everyone thinks it will be? He's pretty much set up to fail.

 

Yes.  He is set up to fail and the entire board WANTS to set him up to fail by tanking the season to get this mythical franchise player.  A couple of flies in that ointment.  First of all, they probably won't be as bad as you think. The everyone you reference is an idiot.  We have seen that countless times. No matter what players you give him, I am willing to bet Ryan fields a decent D.  Then it comes down to Mornhinweg putting up some points.  If the team looks to be headed in the right direction, you don't fire the coach and start over.  Second, we haven't seen what Idzik will do as far as trades and moving money around.  It's just possible that Idzik isn't planning to tank the season.  

[#27TheDominator]

Adapts to what new style? And if the players--who tuned him out the last two years--all-of-a-sudden buy in to...what?

Personally, I'm rooting for Rex to be fired. I think he's a dolt and a coward with a big mouth who gets knocked down and stays down. The finger-pointing on this team hasn't been this bad since Kotite, and that goes back to the leadership void.

How-evah

Objectively, everyone in the media thinks this is Rex's last year because he's got no players left to carry him to a successful season. He's not surviving 6-10. No young GM is tying their cart to a failed coach who they didn't hire in the first place. This will be like Chicago last year--the new GM let Lovie Smith have one more year, then sacked him, except Lovie Smith is a better coach than Rex.

 

Dealing with a GM who is, presumably, in charge.  Keeping a lower profile, as that is what has most people hating him.  We'll see how he does.  Objectively you have all made up your minds and where I come from that is not being objective. 

[unbanmadmike1]

Yes.  He is set up to fail and the entire board WANTS to set him up to fail by tanking the season to get this mythical franchise player.  A couple of flies in that ointment.  First of all, they probably won't be as bad as you think. The everyone you reference is an idiot.  We have seen that countless times. No matter what players you give him, I am willing to bet Ryan fields a decent D.  Then it comes down to Mornhinweg putting up some points.  If the team looks to be headed in the right direction, you don't fire the coach and start over.  Second, we haven't seen what Idzik will do as far as trades and moving money around.  It's just possible that Idzik isn't planning to tank the season.  

The roster is miserable. So even if the Jets don't go 5-11 or 4-12 and go 7-9, 8-8 (which is the highest rational ceiling for the talent level they have right now) you think they are going to give him a contract extension? Because that's what they have to do for him to come back...

[#27TheDominator]

The roster is miserable. So even if the Jets don't go 5-11 or 4-12 and go 7-9, 8-8 (which is the highest rational ceiling for the talent level they have right now) you think they are going to give him a contract extension? Because that's what they have to do for him to come back...

 

 

Oh my!  They have to pay a guy to coach the team?!?! Shocking.  It depends on the 8-8.  There are different kinds  of 8-8 and your "ceiling" and "miserable roster" are a little premature.