flgreen Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Ivory Set for Green Light Posted 6 hours ago Eric Allen Sr. Reporter/Director, Internet ProgrammingEmail @eallenjets On the Inside You can only imagine the way Jets running back Chris Ivory feels right now. After the 6’0”, 222-pounder was acquired in a draft weekend trade with the New Orleans Saints, he wasn’t permitted to hit anyone throughout 10 OTAs and a three-day minicamp. But contact will be encouraged next week at SUNY Cortland as the Jets will unleash their new-look run game and a capable RB stable at training camp. “I like to vertical,” Ivory said this spring. “Not too many cuts — just one or two moves and I want to get straight up the field. I’m real physical and I think that is something that I bring to the game is my physicality.” Ivory, who has a career-average of 5.1 yards a carry, could only do so much during the spring practices. Offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg viewed the offseason sessions as “passing camps” because linemen were required to stay on their feet and there were no bruising runs. “Ivory is not going to shine until you put the pads on. He is a physical style back,” said head coach Rex Ryan. “So we’re really not going to see what he’s all about until we really start putting the ball under his arm and letting him run.” In 24 career games with the Saints, Ivory averaged 10.7 rush attempts. Stuck down on the depth chart and limited to just 12 contests the past two seasons, Ivory believes he has an opportunity for a career-breakthrough with the Green & White. “As long as I get out there and do all the things I know I can do,” he said. “As long as I’m given the opportunities to carry the ball — 10 carries a game — I believe in myself, and I believe I can make some great things happen.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 10-12 carries a game is just about right for Ivory. If he gets more then that with his running style, he'll get beat up and wear down quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 10-12 carries a game is just about right for Ivory. If he gets more then that with his running style, he'll get beat up and wear down quickly Agreed and that's why I like this stable of RBs as a whole, all things considered, as I feel like they compliment each other well. In addition to Ivory, Goodson brings a different dynamic to the position, the one they had been hoping to get out of McKnight when they drafted him. And speaking of McKnight, if he can stay healthy and be more consistent, he has shown playmaking ability in the past as well. But beyond that, the forgotten man with this offseason's acquisitions has been Powell, who I think is actually the ideal complimentary back. After last season, I'd say he's a solid player who is a jack of all trades and master of none, which may not be what you want out of your top runner, but is a nice thing to have on the depth chart, as he has the ability to step in and spell any of the other players regardless of the down. His superior health record compared to his fellow RBs isn't a bad thing to have around either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 10 carries a game, at 5.1 yards a clip would be a laughable misuse of his talents. I thought he was supposed to be our starting RB, our feature-back, our "poor man's Marshawn Lynch". I thought HE was going to carry the team, God knows our passing game isn't going to do it. 10 carries a game!? He might as well be a 4th stringer in New Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 While the Jets gave up a draft pick for Ivory, don't forget that they gave a larger contract to Goodson. They're going to want to get him on the field, too. A lot. While most of this board seems really excited about Ivory, it's Goodson I'm more excited to see. He represents true breakaway speed in the backfield, and given the lack of receiving weapons, gives the Jets a dimension they haven't had but really needed in the passing game, too. I hope the two backs come close to splitting time equally. I think we might see McKnight split out a little, too. Again, lack of WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Although I am optimistic the position has been improved from last season lets not forget both these guys were down the depth chart on their previous teams (one of which was a worse team than the NYJ). PLUS......the right side of the o-line needs to improve a bunch if these guys are going to excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Agreed and that's why I like this stable of RBs as a whole, all things considered, as I feel like they compliment each other well. In addition to Ivory, Goodson brings a different dynamic to the position, the one they had been hoping to get out of McKnight when they drafted him. And speaking of McKnight, if he can stay healthy and be more consistent, he has shown playmaking ability in the past as well. But beyond that, the forgotten man with this offseason's acquisitions has been Powell, who I think is actually the ideal complimentary back. After last season, I'd say he's a solid player who is a jack of all trades and master of none, which may not be what you want out of your top runner, but is a nice thing to have on the depth chart, as he has the ability to step in and spell any of the other players regardless of the down. His superior health record compared to his fellow RBs isn't a bad thing to have around either. I'm not sure we've seen everything Powell can offer, its kind of hard to when you're spelling a slug and you're team has zero threat to pass. I dont think he'll ever be a feature back, but he could have a long complimentary back type career. He reminds me a little of Kevin Faulk. Does everything well, nothing great but could also carry the load if needed in a pinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 10 carries a game, at 5.1 yards a clip would be a laughable misuse of his talents. I thought he was supposed to be our starting RB, our feature-back, our "poor man's Marshawn Lynch". I thought HE was going to carry the team, God knows our passing game isn't going to do it. 10 carries a game!? He might as well be a 4th stringer in New Orleans. if you give a RB like Ivory 20-25 carries a game, by week 6 that 5.1 average will drop to 3.5. Just from attrition. Jets like most teams in the league right now, won't have a true feature back. In the article's last line he says “As long as I get out there and do all the things I know I can do,” he said. “As long as I’m given the opportunities to carry the ball — 10 carries a game — I believe in myself, and I believe I can make some great things happen.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Ugh. The guy averaged more than 10 carries per game with the ******* Saints. He'd better get more than that here. I'd imagine 15 is more where we'd like him to end up, unless MM is going to throw 45 times per game like with Foles. Still don't see what anybody likes in Powell. Nothing against him, but I don't feel any better about him than I felt about Cedric Houston. He might pan out, but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 if you give a RB like Ivory 20-25 carries a game, by week 6 that 5.1 average will drop to 3.5. Just from attrition. Jets like most teams in the league right now, won't have a true feature back. In the article's last line he says “As long as I get out there and do all the things I know I can do,” he said. “As long as I’m given the opportunities to carry the ball — 10 carries a game — I believe in myself, and I believe I can make some great things happen.” Idk, 10 carries a game seems like a light workload for our feature back. But you're right, 20-25 seems a little heavy. I'd imagine his sweet-spot is going to be somewhere in the middle. Like #27 said, 15 carries a game sounds more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Ugh. The guy averaged more than 10 carries per game with the ******* Saints. He'd better get more than that here. I'd imagine 15 is more where we'd like him to end up, unless MM is going to throw 45 times per game like with Foles. Still don't see what anybody likes in Powell. Nothing against him, but I don't feel any better about him than I felt about Cedric Houston. He might pan out, but I doubt it. Except Houston couldn't block or catch and was retiring at this point of his career. Nobody is saying Powell is an all-world talent, just that it's nice to have a solid do-everything type available to come off of the bench. Especially when all of your other backs have the injury histories these guys do. If anything, I'd say he's more in the Thomas Jones mold in that regard, but admittedly without the benefit of the OL Jones got to play behind in his last two years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Except Houston couldn't block or catch and was retiring at this point of his career. Nobody is saying Powell is an all-world talent, just that it's nice to have a solid do-everything type available to come off of the bench. Especially when all of your other backs have the injury histories these guys do. If anything, I'd say he's more in the Thomas Jones mold in that regard, but admittedly without the benefit of the OL Jones got to play behind in his last two years here. Well I ******* hated Thomas Jones, so there is that. Houston had more yards and has Powell beat 7 TDs to 4 despite playing behind a worse line. Hell in 2005 the QB was probably worse too. I don't think Powell is horrible, I just haven't seen anything to make me think he'll be worth anything. I can be wrong, but on a board that HATES Shonn Greene, to talk up Bilal Powell seems odd. If he becomes Shonn Greene I will be one happy MoFo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Well I ******* hated Thomas Jones, so there is that. Houston had more yards and has Powell beat 7 TDs to 4 despite playing behind a worse line. Hell in 2005 the QB was probably worse too. I don't think Powell is horrible, I just haven't seen anything to make me think he'll be worth anything. I can be wrong, but on a board that HATES Shonn Greene, to talk up Bilal Powell seems odd. If he becomes Shonn Greene I will be one happy MoFo. Not sure what your point is in the Houston stat comparisons other than the fact that Powell hardly played in his rookie year. As far as Greene goes, the board loved him when he was doing well as a change of pace back to Jones his rookie year, it was simply that everyone grew tired of his constant mediocrity when given numerous opportunities to be the lead back, including losing the starting job that was handed to him in 2010 after only 2 games. Powell, on the other hand, is set to be the #3 RB in what is looking likely to be a committee scenario. They're very different situations with very different expectations. Not to mention, when given the opportunity on the same squad, I think most would agree Powell looked better than Greene out there last year. I'm also not sure how referring to Powell as nothing more than solid in a variety of areas really qualifies as talking him up. Trust me, if the Jets hadn't signed, traded or drafted anyone else at the RB position and were just going with the one-man Powell show, it would not be going overly particularly well on this board right now. And I'm just curious, given your defense of Greene and seeming dislike for Powell, is it that you got that convinced by their respective rookie years? I only ask because Greene clearly regressed after that while Powell has shown progress (not that it really took much for him to do so). Oh, and Bollywood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanchez. Yeah, I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I don't like him. That's what I'm getting at. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anything to make me expect much contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'd imagine 15 is more where we'd like him to end up, unless MM is going to throw 45 times per game like with Foles. If M2 throws wants to throw 45 times a game this year, we wont have the ball long enough for all the backs on the roster to get 1 carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 If M2 throws wants to throw 45 times a game this year, we wont have the ball long enough for all the backs on the roster to get 1 carry. They'd need about 22 possessions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Well I ******* hated Thomas Jones, so there is that. Houston had more yards and has Powell beat 7 TDs to 4 despite playing behind a worse line. Hell in 2005 the QB was probably worse too. I don't think Powell is horrible, I just haven't seen anything to make me think he'll be worth anything. I can be wrong, but on a board that HATES Shonn Greene, to talk up Bilal Powell seems odd. If he becomes Shonn Greene I will be one happy MoFo. Why does that seem odd? The board hates Green, so naturally they'll love his backup. Its like the whole sh*tty starting QB scenario...the fan favorite is always the backup. FWIW - Houtson beat Powell to 7 TD's on about 60 more carries, in more of an involved role, with better QB's and OL. I like Powell, thinks he's a solid 3rd back to have on the roster. Does a little bit of everything well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Why does that seem odd? The board hates Green, so naturally they'll love his backup. Its like the whole sh*tty starting QB scenario...the fan favorite is always the backup. FWIW - Houtson beat Powell to 7 TD's on about 60 more carries, in more of an involved role, with better QB's and OL. I like Powell, thinks he's a solid 3rd back to have on the roster. Does a little bit of everything well. It is exactly the whole sh*tty QB scenario. The problem with Jets fans is that we have that for everything. QB, Coach, OC, RB, TE, RT. You name it. I don't have a problem with hating Greene (like I said, I HATED Thomas Jones) but the lack of respect is ridiculous. Powell may end up a decent back, I just think it remains to be seen. FWIW, Houston's line and QBs were better? 2005 was Brett Bollinger. Give me a ******* break. Anthony Clement? Adrian Jones? Jason Fabini with a bad back? As comparable as you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 It is exactly the whole sh*tty QB scenario. The problem with Jets fans is that we have that for everything. QB, Coach, OC, RB, TE, RT. You name it. I don't have a problem with hating Greene (like I said, I HATED Thomas Jones) but the lack of respect is ridiculous. Powell may end up a decent back, I just think it remains to be seen. FWIW, Houston's line and QBs were better? 2005 was Brett Bollinger. Give me a ******* break. Anthony Clement? Adrian Jones? Jason Fabini with a bad back? As comparable as you get. Don't you disrespect Brooksy like that! He was twice the man and QB Sanchez is, even at half the size! As far as Powell goes, I'm not really sure I agree with the "sh*tty QB" comparison as most of the board has hardly even acknowledged his existence since the Ivory and Goodson acquisitions. His biggest supporters seem to be JiF and myself who are saying we feel he is a solid #3 guy for this team simply because of his ability to fit into multiple roles in an injury-prone backfield, hardly ground-breaking stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Let me have my hate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Powells undersized and doesnt have much to any shifftyness. That pretty much has you out of the league once your first contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Powells undersized and doesnt have much to any shifftyness. That pretty much has you out of the league once your first contract is up. I know a guy that played linebacker in college against Powell. Said the b!tch wasnt sh!t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I know a guy that played linebacker in college against Powell. Said the b!tch wasnt sh!t Well that seals it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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