Matt39 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 He's starting 7 news players on defense. Jesus. lol We've had a pair of new safeties every season. Figure it out Rex. And yeah being a fixture doesnt mean you're good. Jets fans overrate guys like crazy....there's a ton of David Harris type players in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 For as much as we've invested in defense and for how much Rex believes in defense first...it just isnt good enough. People keep trotting this reasoning out there, but if your old GM kept drafting duds on defense, it doesn't matter how much you invest. For every Wilkerson we drafted Tannenbaum was also drafting Vernon Gholston, Kyle Wilson, Kenrick Ellis, and Quinton Coples. He also overpaid David Harris who has been a huge liability in pass coverage, and now somehow Antonio Cromartie forgot how to play football. Idzik got us Sheldon Richardson but he also unfortunately took Dee Milliner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 We've had a pair of new safeties every season. Figure it out Rex. All late rounders/UDFA's except for Landry, who we (rightfully) let go after 1 season. And at least Antonio Allen (7th rounder) has looked pretty good at times. If Milliner was as good as advertised and Cro didn't suddenly suck, we wouldn't be as worried about Safety right now. The whole secondary is getting exposed now because of that, and if we don't get to the QB all day, we're in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 People keep trotting this reasoning out there, but if your old GM kept drafting duds on defense, it doesn't matter how much you invest. For every Wilkerson we drafted Tannenbaum was also drafting Vernon Gholston, Kyle Wilson, Kenrick Ellis, and Quinton Coples. He also overpaid David Harris who has been a huge liability in pass coverage, and now somehow Antonio Cromartie forgot how to play football. Idzik got us Sheldon Richardson but he also unfortunately took Dee Milliner. My issue with the defense is....you'll be building it forever. You're never going to have a perfect defense and I dont know if Rex realizes that. The Jets defense is OK. Look around the league- most good teams are stopping the run. There are teams getting to the QB a lot better than the Jets though. A lot of defenses turn the ball over too- something we stink at. We love Wilkerson...but look at the stats for interior pressure around football...there are a bunch of dudes having better seasons. Hell- the Jets have no one near as good as Cam Wake on defense. You need continuity on offense a lot more on defense....and our offense has had different guys at the skill positions every season. Next year will be no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 We've had a pair of new safeties every season. Figure it out Rex. And yeah being a fixture doesnt mean you're good. Jets fans overrate guys like crazy....there's a ton of David Harris type players in the league. And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 My issue with the defense is....you'll be building it forever. You're never going to have a perfect defense and I dont know if Rex realizes that. You need continuity on offense a lot more on defense....and our offense has had different guys at the skill positions every season. Next year will be no different. 7 new starters THIS season. lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 This board...ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 7 new starters THIS season. lmfao 6 first round picks and a second rounder. Opposing QBs: 92 quarterback rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 This board...ridiculous The delusional homerism is hysterical year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 7 new starters THIS season. lmfao How many of those guys will be starters next season? Kind of what I mean....you're going to have new starters on defense every year. You can draft and draft defense but it's never going to be this superunit you guys envision. The Jets have put all of their resources into one side of the football and its just OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 How many of those guys will be starters next season? Kind of what I mean....you're going to have new starters on defense every year. You can draft and draft defense but it's never going to be this superunit you guys envision. The Jets have put all of their resources into one side of the football and its just OK. I think its pretty safe to say, Wilk, Richardson, Snacks, Coples, Harris, Davis, Milliner, Allen, Landry - will all be starters next season. Very drastic difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think its pretty safe to say, Wilk, Richardson, Snacks, Coples, Harris, Davis, Milliner, Allen, Landry - will all be starters next season. Very drastic difference. If Allen and Landry are starting that's not good. Milliner- who knows right now. He could be good he could suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 6 first round picks and a second rounder. Opposing QBs: 92 quarterback rating. #7 new starters The delusional homerism is hysterical year after year. #Idzik is god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think its pretty safe to say, Wilk, Richardson, Snacks, Coples, Harris, Davis, Milliner, Allen, Landry - will all be starters next season. Very drastic difference. Allen and Landry suck so hard. Get new rabbit ears for your 13" black and white TV, swamp logger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 A bunch of corners available via FA. Spend on defense...draft offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dolphann4life Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Grimes and Patterson > Cromartie and Rookie Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 If Allen and Landry are starting that's not good. Milliner- who knows right now. He could be good he could suck. Why is not good if Allen is starting? He's a 7th round pick making huge strides. If he continues to progress and keeps earning his starting role, that's a very good thing for the Jets. I hope they upgrade Landry but I think they signed him to a multi-year deal and its clear Rex doesn't put the stock into safety as fans do (assuming he's still here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Allen and Landry suck so hard. Get new rabbit ears for your 13" black and white TV, swamp logger. #Rochester rocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 A bunch of corners available via FA. Spend on defense...draft offense. Pretty amusing that five years after hiring the greatest defensive mind in the history of the game who was allegedly a huge free agent magnet and committing huge resources to defense over that span, that defense will essentially need to be rebuilt this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Why is not good if Allen is starting? He's a 7th round pick making huge strides. If he continues to progress and keeps earning his starting role, that's a very good thing for the Jets. I hope they upgrade Landry but I think they signed him to a multi-year deal and its clear Rex doesn't put the stock into safety as fans do (assuming he's still here). Allen runs a 4.7 40. Landry might be slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Pretty amusing that five years after hiring the greatest defensive mind in the history of the game who was allegedly a huge free agent magnet and committing huge resources to defense over that span, that defense will essentially need to be rebuilt this offseason. Moving parts all over the place....everything this team has done since Rex has been here as been defense orientated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Moving parts all over the place....everything this team has done since Rex has been here as been defense orientated. This is 100% false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 This is 100% false. Rex Effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 6 first round picks and a second rounder. Opposing QBs: 92 quarterback rating. You can't field a full defense with 6 first rounders. What's he supposed to do at safety or LBer? He's not a miracle worker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 My issue with the defense is....you'll be building it forever. You're never going to have a perfect defense and I dont know if Rex realizes that. The Jets defense is OK. Look around the league- most good teams are stopping the run. There are teams getting to the QB a lot better than the Jets though. A lot of defenses turn the ball over too- something we stink at. We love Wilkerson...but look at the stats for interior pressure around football...there are a bunch of dudes having better seasons. Hell- the Jets have no one near as good as Cam Wake on defense. You need continuity on offense a lot more on defense....and our offense has had different guys at the skill positions every season. Next year will be no different. You're right that the focus needs to shift towards the offense. But reverting back to the "Rex keeps drafting defensive players!" argument is just plain false. This was 100 % Idzik's draft. And what's more, they DID want Tavon Austin, but couldn't land him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 You're right that the focus needs to shift towards the offense. But reverting back to the "Rex keeps drafting defensive players!" argument is just plain false. This was 100 % Idzik's draft. And what's more, they DID want Tavon Austin, but couldn't land him. Soooooooooo...you're saying Rex bears responsibility for the previous four drafts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Soooooooooo...you're saying Rex bears responsibility for the previous four drafts? Only Wilkerson, Powell, and Kerley. Possibly Davis and Coples. Definitely not the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Only Wilkerson, Powell, and Kerley. Possibly Davis and Coples. Definitely not the rest. I think it's too early yet to give Rex credit/blame Tanny for Coples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I think it's too early yet to give Rex credit/blame Tanny for Coples. Exactly. If he turns out to be a player, we'll know he was a Rex pick. If he sucks, he was all Tannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Exactly. If he turns out to be a player, we'll know he was a Rex pick. If he sucks, he was all Tannenbaum. I'm still going through film trying to figure out how much credit to give Rex for Matt Slauson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 17-10 Fish This is really disgusting. I really thought the Bengals were going to roll the Fish up. the fish play defense and they match up better than we did. When we play the Fish get ready for another putrid offensive display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Moving parts all over the place....everything this team has done since Rex has been here as been defense orientated. Yeah, like trading up to get Sanchez in year 1. Although you do have a point - Sanchez did give the Defense a lot of attention by putting them back out on the field with his constant 3 and outs and horrible INT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo83 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Exactly. If he turns out to be a player, we'll know he was a Rex pick. If he sucks, he was all Tannenbaum. Kind of like how pre Rex it was Mangini that made all the good picks and Tanny all of the bad ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 not that it matters but looking at this gif......it wasn't a safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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