77DRAFT Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 How much offensive input does Rex have on game day? Just wondering how many decisions Rex makes on the offensive side of the equation? Plays like going for the long field goal last week are killing us, and the play calling, especially the 4th down call on the goal line against the Steelers, (Powell up the middle) have really been non creative and brain dead. Is the a Rex / Marty situation or strictly a Marty situation? Rex apologists have to realize that Rex is fully responsible for the horrible offensive showing that he carries with him from year to year, and his personell decisions leave a lot to be desired, the man simply can not coach offensive football, and that isn't going to change if it hasn't changed by now, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Mangini said he called four or five plays a game, the four or five most important plays, and that was a death sentence, anyone know how many (if any) plays Wex calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 the coaching staff doesn't draw up plays that end in pick 6's or strip sacks on the 5 yard line. that's on the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 the coaching staff doesn't draw up plays that end in pick 6's or strip sacks on the 5 yard line. that's on the players. Rich Kotite will be so excited to hear that it wasn't his fault, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 rex and the 3 coordinators meet on tuesday to have a comprehensive overall game plan for that weeks opponent I bet rex tells marty to run or pass in critical situations, take a shot or play it safe, but I bet he doesn't call a single actual play yes the HC is ultimately responsible, but rex does not draft the players or call the plays on offense settle down francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Rich Kotite will be so excited to hear that it wasn't his fault, after all. Did you just compare REx to Rich kotite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 And it's amusing already to watch Jets fans start to make that heel-turn toward blaming Marty now. It's early yet, and quiet, but you can see that developing as we speak. Poor Rex. Saddled with inept coordinators and players every time out. Change the GM, but the GM is still bad! Change the quarterback, but the quarterback is still bad! Change the offensive coordinator for a third time, but the offense is still bad! Good thing there's no common denominator or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 And it's amusing already to watch Jets fans start to make that heel-turn toward blaming Marty now. It's early yet, and quiet, but you can see that developing as we speak. Poor Rex. Saddled with inept coordinators and players every time out. Change the GM, but the GM is still bad! Change the quarterback, but the quarterback is still bad! Change the offensive coordinator for a third time, but the offense is still bad! Good thing there's no common denominator or something. In fairness to Rex, I think the rule is that most NFL coaches "get it" once they're on their third QB and fourth OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Did you just compare REx to Rich kotite? Nooooo, but you used the time-honored defense that you hear right before every bad coach in every sport gets fired: "He's not out there missing tackles/making errors/missing free throws; he's not the one who's throwing interceptions/striking out/getting beaten to rebounds!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 In fairness to Rex, I think the rule is that most NFL coaches "get it" once they're on their third QB and fourth OC. You're like a footballguy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Nooooo, but you used the time-honored defense that you hear right before every bad coach in every sport gets fired: "He's not out there missing tackles/making errors/missing free throws; he's not the one who's throwing interceptions/striking out/getting beaten to rebounds!" Firing GMs coaches every five years doesn't make the team better. If we'd kept Bradway and Herm together, we'd have five titles right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Firing GMs coaches every five years doesn't make the team better. If we'd kept Bradway and Herm together, we'd have five titles right now. (Bradway never left, funnily enough.) this post illustrates the real problem which is expectation (5 titles) we expect the team to win it all but forget that it's a 1/32 chance every year that's 3% for all the math fans out there btw the Jets replaced 60% of their players year over year the fact that they are 5-5 we should be praising the coaches not talking about firing them. that goes for Kotwika and Marty too not just Rex. mediocre has become a curse word in these forums in this league .500 and above is by definition, an above average job. you shouldn't fire anyone performing above average unless there's a sure fire upgrade waiting in the wings. I don't care if we are talking about school janitors or the CEO of a fortune 500 company. above average isn't a fireable offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 we expect the team to win it all but forget that it's a 1/32 chance every year that's 3% for all the math fans out there See guys, every team enters each year with only a 1 in 32 shot of winning the title. It is these types of nuggets of NFL wisdom that you can find at draftdaddy.com. That website is draftdaddy.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (Bradway never left, funnily enough.) this post illustrates the real problem which is expectation (5 titles) we expect the team to win it all but forget that it's a 1/32 chance every year that's 3% for all the math fans out there btw the Jets replaced 60% of their players year over year the fact that they are 5-5 we should be praising the coaches not talking about firing them. that goes for Kotwika and Marty too not just Rex. mediocre has become a curse word in these forums in this league .500 and above is by definition, an above average job. you shouldn't fire anyone performing above average unless there's a sure fire upgrade waiting in the wings. I don't care if we are talking about school janitors or the CEO of a fortune 500 company. above average isn't a fireable offense. Strive to be average bro. I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (Bradway never left, funnily enough). this post illustrates the real problem which is expectation (5 titles) we expect the team to win it all but forget that it's a 1/32 chance every year that's 3% for all the math fans out there btw the Jets replaced 60% of their players year over year the fact that they are 5-5 we should be praising the coaches not talking about firing them. that goes for Kotwika and Marty too not just Rex. mediocre has become a curse word in these forums in this league .500 and above is by definition, an above average job. you shouldn't fire anyone performing above average unless there's a sure fire upgrade waiting in the wings. I don't care if we are talking about school janitors or the CEO of a fortune 500 company. above average isn't a fireable offense. this post illustrates the real problem which is expectation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 And it's amusing already to watch Jets fans start to make that heel-turn toward blaming Marty now. It's early yet, and quiet, but you can see that developing as we speak. Poor Rex. Saddled with inept coordinators and players every time out. Change the GM, but the GM is still bad! Change the quarterback, but the quarterback is still bad! Change the offensive coordinator for a third time, but the offense is still bad! Good thing there's no common denominator or something. OK, again, why don't you try to explain how a coach that bad has a plus .500 W/L percentage? I suppose it was because Tanny was such an amazing GM? Or because Sanchez was a top of the line QB? What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (Bradway never left, funnily enough.) this post illustrates the real problem which is expectation (5 titles) we expect the team to win it all but forget that it's a 1/32 chance every year that's 3% for all the math fans out there btw the Jets replaced 60% of their players year over year the fact that they are 5-5 we should be praising the coaches not talking about firing them. that goes for Kotwika and Marty too not just Rex. mediocre has become a curse word in these forums in this league .500 and above is by definition, an above average job. you shouldn't fire anyone performing above average unless there's a sure fire upgrade waiting in the wings. I don't care if we are talking about school janitors or the CEO of a fortune 500 company. above average isn't a fireable offense. Keep ******* that chicken, Sartre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 OK, again, why don't you try to explain how a coach that bad has a plus .500 W/L percentage? I suppose it was because Tanny was such an amazing GM? Or because Sanchez was a top of the line QB? What is it? The same reason Chad Pennington has a 44-37 career record as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Keep ******* that chicken, Sartre. right now, today, the Jets are the 6th seed in the AFC crank up the firing squad right guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 The same reason Chad Pennington has a 44-37 career record as a starter. Give him tattered jacked and a bust in Bit's "Hall of Slightly Above Average" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted November 23, 2013 Author Share Posted November 23, 2013 So nobody on this site knows if Rex steps in and calls plays, most HC's do, it would be interesting to know. It's a simple question with a simple answer, he probably is taking the wheel at the most crucial times, or Marty has become very conservative morphing into Schotty when his creativity and wildness are needed most, sorry if I hurt the feelings of Rex apologists, hopefully someone will ask Rex this question, it has a lot to do with evaluating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 This guys 82-61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 More whining for the sake of whining. What coach would have this rag tag bunch performing any better? Belichick has 2 more wins with a top 3 qb. Your're saying he'd have 7 wins with Smith to Nelson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 More whining for the sake of whining. What coach would have this rag tag bunch performing any better? Belichick has 2 more wins with a top 3 qb. Your're saying he'd have 7 wins with Smith to Nelson? The bar has been lowered to Average. I believe in Rex's ability to continue coaching a defense that can get us 7-9 wins a year if we keep using our high draft picks on it. I'm happy being the Blackberry of the NFL instead of Apple or Android. We could always fall into that Other category and wind up being flip phones if we try to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 right now, today, the Jets are the 6th seed in the AFC crank up the firing squad right guys? #StartMattSimms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 More whining for the sake of whining. What coach would have this rag tag bunch performing any better? Belichick has 2 more wins with a top 3 qb. Your're saying he'd have 7 wins with Smith to Nelson? RAG TAG BUNCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 It's all so awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 This guys 82-61 Wade Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 (Bradway never left, funnily enough.) this post illustrates the real problem which is expectation (5 titles) we expect the team to win it all but forget that it's a 1/32 chance every year that's 3% for all the math fans out there btw the Jets replaced 60% of their players year over year the fact that they are 5-5 we should be praising the coaches not talking about firing them. that goes for Kotwika and Marty too not just Rex. mediocre has become a curse word in these forums in this league .500 and above is by definition, an above average job. you shouldn't fire anyone performing above average unless there's a sure fire upgrade waiting in the wings. I don't care if we are talking about school janitors or the CEO of a fortune 500 company. above average isn't a fireable offense. Whoa, then we have been severly ripped off as Jet Fans. We last won in 1969, so we are on 44 years without a title. If the formula is 1/32 of a chance, then since 1969, we are owed (if my math is correct), approximately 1.3 titles, and I will even throw the .3 titles in as a tip and settle for the 1 title we are owed. We better hurry up and get that next one because in the year 2033 we will be owed 2 complete titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 You are right, why run the ball at all? Lets let Geno drop back even more so maybe he can turn it over 15 times a game rather than 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 And it's amusing already to watch Jets fans start to make that heel-turn toward blaming Marty now. It's early yet, and quiet, but you can see that developing as we speak. Poor Rex. Saddled with inept coordinators and players every time out. Change the GM, but the GM is still bad! Change the quarterback, but the quarterback is still bad! Change the offensive coordinator for a third time, but the offense is still bad! Good thing there's no common denominator or something. last weeks game plan sucked. but overall i've been impressed with how he went from a 60/40 pass guy to a 60/40 run guy after seeing the dogsh*t he had for talent here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 So nobody on this site knows if Rex steps in and calls plays, most HC's do, it would be interesting to know. It's a simple question with a simple answer, he probably is taking the wheel at the most crucial times, or Marty has become very conservative morphing into Schotty when his creativity and wildness are needed most, sorry if I hurt the feelings of Rex apologists, hopefully someone will ask Rex this question, it has a lot to do with evaluating him. something tells me idzik knows, and nothing else really matters tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 something tells me idzik knows, and nothing else really matters tbh Idzik's actually calling the plays with the express intent of sabotaging Rex and undermining his genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Idzik's actually calling the plays with the express intent of sabotaging Rex and undermining his genius. Maybe next year Idzik can just concentrate on the draft and free agency so we can actually get some talent on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Maybe next year Idzik can just concentrate on the draft and free agency so we can actually get some talent on this team. Coaches coach; GMs manage generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Coaches coach; GMs manage generally. So Rex is holding back Millinar and Geno? lol. Did Rex hold back Dre Kirkpatrick and Andre Ware too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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